Saudi Arabia mulls NATO-like military alliance of Muslim countries, asks Pakistan to lead

[Indos]

A step in the right direction? Consider this.. would the Arabs ever send a hundred thousand ARAB soldiers to protect Pakistan should the need arise (God forbid)? Forget hundred thousand, how about a single regiment? Please understand how the Arabs are making full use of Islam to protect themselves AND project their influence!

It is because the alliance hasnt been made yet at that time......

And yes, Muslim has helped each other during their difficult time, Indonesian Independence war, Pakistan Independence war, Afghan war, Bosnian war.........And even in the old time Turkey Ottoman help Islamic Kingdom in Indonesia to fight against some Western Countries. They even send troops to Aceh kingdom before....

Arab is in difficult time and we should help them. if we use united force to stabilize the region it will be helpful, just imagine if we can topple Gaddafi with the united force instead of pouring money and weapons into the rebel.........

If in case Arab doesnt want to help back ( which is unlikely) Indonesia-Pakistan-Turkey-Bangladesh-Malaysia is powerful enough if combined force are made, and add Iran if we can solve Sunni-Shiah conflict in Middle East

 

[Boss Dragun]

It is because the alliance hasnt been made yet at that time......

And yes, Muslim has helped each other during their difficult time, Indonesian Independence war, Pakistan Independence war, Afghan war, Bosnian war.........And even in the old time Turkey Ottoman help Islamic Kingdom in Indonesia to fight against some Western Countries. They even send troops to Aceh kingdom before....

Arab is in difficult time and we should help them. if we use united force to stabilize the region it will be helpful, just imagine if we can topple Gaddafi with the united force instead of pouring money and weapons into the rebel.........

If in case Arab doesnt want to help back ( which is unlikely) Indonesia-Pakistan-Turkey-Bangladesh-Malaysia is powerful enough if combined force are made, and add Iran if we can solve Sunni-Shiah conflict in Middle East

need to know that Indonesia is a Muslim majority country, not Muslim a country. you guys can form a muslim group to join in the alliance. just leave the country out off it. it opposes with the country's neutrality policy, and i prefer my homeland to stand up on it's own feet rather than relying on other countries that lesserly contributed to indonesia in the past (with the exception of Pakistan)

 

[Indos]

need to know that Indonesia is a Muslim majority country, not Muslim a country. you guys can form a muslim group to join in the alliance. just leave the country out off it. it opposes with the country's neutrality policy, and i prefer my homeland to stand up on it's own feet rather than relying on other countries that lesserly contributed to indonesia in the past (with the exception of Pakistan)

It is the thing that will be decided by future Indonesian politics....You can make complain over the internet, but just it. At least make a polling, asking common Indonesian folk whether they have interest or not.

 

[Boss Dragun]

It is the thing that will be decided by future Indonesian politics....You can make complain over the internet, but just it. At least make a polling, asking common Indonesian folk whether they have interest or not.

it won't be the future of the country because it cannot into muslim country. the alliance is for muslim countries, and indonesia is not, which is irrelevant.

pollings are meaningless if it's not including those non-muslim, as they won't be included anyway, nor they'll affirm to that. to be affirmed is to be accepted by all the people, including those who are different than them.

 

[surya kiran]

do the least, get them to go frontline and be the last in, be first one out and charge them as much as you can drain them its all ummah. just bloody milk them.

are you sure you are not a baniya?

Iran and its allies. More accurately its collision of two branches of same tree.............

So here you are saying Muslim fighting Muslim is ok? But Indian Muslim fighting Pakistan is not ok?

 

[Azadkashmir]

are you sure you are not a baniya?

ahem wat is baniya ?

this war going get out of control come to my house, were you be safe.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

We should stop debating religion its against PDF rules....

Islam calls Pagan (Non-Be-leavers) as enemy... You can do your own assessment who would fall into this.

So, a fellow human who has done nothing to you, or your family that just happens to be a, "pagan", is automatically an enemy of yours? I dont understand why Muslims migrate to nations with very liberal outlook on things then.

So here you are saying Muslim fighting Muslim is ok? But Indian Muslim fighting Pakistan is not ok?

I am pretty sure nationalism in general is looked down on in Islam. There is a group of people trying to convert people to Islam, and wants Muslims to join their Caliphate and quit nationalism for it's cause. These people better go there or act as support within their own, "nations".

 

[Azadkashmir]

 

[Boss Dragun]

If USA and Western countries can make NATO,,,why we cant.....? This will improve the influence of Indonesia itself and its deterrent projection. Malaysia with only 60 percent Muslim has joined the join military exercise in Saudi, and Indonesia is 90 percent Muslim.

We dont need to talk in here about future, you do your job, I will do my job. Useless talking in internet, both of us have already stated our opinion regarding this.

yeah, do your job. just don't forget the "Bhinneka Tunggal Ika"

 

[surya kiran]

ahem wat is baniya ?

this war going get out of control come to my house, were you be safe.

You do not know baniya??????? How long have you been on PDF?

Baniya is a shrewd chap. Typically the business community for whom self preservation is above everything else. He will put inthe least and expect the most.

 

[Kompromat]

Actually the idea first floated in Pakistan during the OIC heads of state summit in the 70s. Bhutto had proposed to set up a singular command for all willing members of the OIC.

The idea start first from PDF I believe................

I still remember @Horus has special Thread on this idea in 2014......

 

[Kompromat]

Actually the idea first floated in Pakistan during the OIC heads of state summit in the 70s. Bhutto had proposed to set up a singular command for all willing members of the OIC.

The idea start first from PDF I believe................

I still remember @Horus has special Thread on this idea in 2014......

 

[Indos]

yeah, do your job. just don't forget the "Bhinneka Tunggal Ika"

What it has to do with Bhinneka Tunggal Ika...? This Alliance will protect All Indonesians, including Christians. Many Christian in Middle East will be protected as well from organization like ISIS.

The main focus is to stabilize Middle East, and what is happening there indeed influence us as well, remember Bali bombing (AQ affiliated) and recent Jakarta attack (ISIS affiliated)....?

Syrian crisis, ISIS base in Libya, Somalia crisis, Taliban problem in Afghanistan, TTP in Pakistan, all will be handled with this join Military forces.

It is inline with our Constitution which suggest Indonesia should be proactive in establishing peace in the world.

 

[Boss Dragun]

What it has to do with Bhinneka Tunggal Ika...? This Alliance will protect All Indonesians, including Christians. Many Christian in Middle East will be protected as well from organization like ISIS.

The main focus is to stabilize Middle East, and what is happening there indeed influence us as well, remember Bali bombing (AQ affiliated) and recent Jakarta attack (ISIS affiliated)....?

Syrian crisis, ISIS base in Libya, Somalia crisis, Taliban problem in Afghanistan, TTP in Pakistan, all will be handled with this join Military forces.

It is inline with our Constitution which suggest Indonesia should be proactive in establishing peace in the world.

it has to do with Bhinneka Tunggal Ika. is the title is not obvious for you? it reads Muslim Countries. Christians does not need it from Muslims. they can defend themselves. they've got all the developed european countries to support them. to sum it up, this Muslim countries are to protect muslim countries and people and it is as obvious as that. again, i had to stress it out to you that Indonesia is a secular country, not a Muslim country. you don't change how the country stands based only on your own religion alone. it never works.

ehhh why would we care about the problems that pretty much caused by them middle eastern? meanwhile the economy is crippling and LOTS of poor people in eastern province are much much in need of help,now you want to mess with problems that is not ours? if you care, then that's your problem. in that case, just leave the country out of it and by any means please join them in the ME personally. thank you

those problems are the problems of their own countries respectively. there hardly any ME countries ever helped indonesia with it's own issues. those terrorist in poso are still very much alive. heck, even the papuan rebel problems are not solved. do you see them volunteering their people to help us? doubt that. not that people even care. best it to keep problems to each and their own. problems within muslim countries are their own. stick to that.

indonesia has been proactive in establishing peace in the world. that is why indonesia is an important member of UN. anymore than that is truly unnecessary and resource wasting. meanwhile back in the country, there are lots of backwardiness and poverty needs to be tackled. if anything, they should've giveaway their oil to enrichen our people. not the other way around. we are East Asians, not Middle Eastern

 

[Indos]

it has to do with Bhinneka Tunggal Ika. is the title is not obvious for you? it reads Muslim Countries. Christians does not need it from Muslims. they can defend themselves. they've got all the developed european countries to support them. to sum it up, this Muslim countries are to protect muslim countries and people and it is as obvious as that. again, i had to stress it out to you that Indonesia is a secular country, not a Muslim country. you don't change how the country stands based only on your own religion alone. it never works.

So you dont want to protect Muslim heh ....?

ehhh why would we care about the problems that pretty much caused by them middle eastern? meanwhile the economy is crippling and LOTS of poor people in eastern province are much much in need of help,now you want to mess with problems that is not ours? if you care, then that's your problem. in that case, just leave the country out of it and by any means please join them in the ME personally. thank you

Nope, you can talk, but I believe if Pew Research do the polling regarding this, Majority of Indonesian Muslim will support, and don forget Muslim Indonesians is 90 %

 

[Tipu7]

So here you are saying Muslim fighting Muslim is ok? But Indian Muslim fighting Pakistan is not ok?

Any where in World, Muslims fighting under the banner of Shirk, Kufr and against Muslims of other Muslims is haram. (As per Islam)
That is why, every Indian Muslim,died fighting against Pakistan or Bangladesh or any other Muslim nation under the banner of India is not "martyred"........ but "Jahanum wasil"

"On day of Qayamah, many Martryers will not gain any advantage from their martryr."
Hadith

Because they fought side by side with evil against good. Fought for false gods of nationalism and other isms against Islam.that's why Indian Muslim soldiers are traitors of Islam, and they will receive "worthy" treatment in after life ........

am pretty sure nationalism in general is looked down on in Islam. There is a group of people trying to convert people to Islam, and wants Muslims to join their Caliphate and quit nationalism for it's cause. These people better go there or act as support within their own, "nations"

You don't know ABC of topic about which you are trying to give "expert opinion"