Saudi Arabia mulls NATO-like military alliance of Muslim countries, asks Pakistan to lead

[Paksanity]

I expected to see Erdogun next to King Salman, strangely he isn't there! Nawaz looks very very agitated.

He has this face on military events always. We are use to it now. May be too much addiction to indoor life.

 

[shhh]

"Pakistan will have to pay a heavy price for ambiguous stand" - UAE Minister

Time to receive an apology

I am on board, if they invest in Pakistan by the billions and that's not likely to happen, so I asked again what's in it for Pakistan.

Influence, Power, Kashmir and Money.

 

[-SINAN-]

I expected to see Erdogun next to King Salman, strangely he isn't there! Nawaz looks very very agitated.

Sisi is there.....so, you shouldn't expect Erdoğan.

 

[Paksanity]

Question to all supporters.

What's in it for Pakistan to join?

This is clearly meant to protect Gulf Kingdoms and has absolutely positively nothing to do with "Islam".

I am on board, if they invest in Pakistan by the billions and that's not likely to happen, so I asked again what's in it for Pakistan.

There is a lot for every country who joins if we can get the foundation of the alliance right. Please do not dismiss it on the basis of sectarian or Saudi-iran context. Monetary benefits are least of my concern. We can make principled guidelines to this alliance and make it a neutral one. Iran, Iraq and Syria should be encouraged to join in. Interference must be discouraged. To give legitimacy to its neutrality its headquarters should locate in neutral countries like Indonesia, Oman, Pakistan or Turkey. It should aim at fighting terrorism in all its forms anywhere in Muslim population. ISIL, TTP, Boko Haram and PKK must be brought to their knees with a combined strategy. Where there might be a difference of opinion, then policy of containment and non-interference can work best. For example handling with Hizbollah, Houthis, Afghan Taliban and FSA.

In nutshell, first priority should be to bring back peace and order in Muslim lands. I don't see anyone not benefitting from this. We all will have a chance at greater prosperity when we are not fighting amongst ourselves.

 

[T-Rex]

Sisi is there.....so, you shouldn't expect Erdoğan.

I admire Erdogun's consistency. Yes indeed, I should have thought of that.

 

[shhh]

Pakistan will have to pay a heavy price on ambiguous stand - UAE Minister.

Can Pakistan expect an apology?

 

[thesolar65]

NATO is successful as all NATO countries are democratic, WARSAW was successful as all were communists, but here............It is impossible!!

 

[shhh]

NATO is successful as all NATO countries are democratic, WARSAW was successful as all were communists, but here............It is impossible!!

Dear optimists, pessimists, and realists,While you were all arguing over the glass of water, I just drank it.
Sincerely, an opportunist

 

[Indos]

The idea start first from PDF I believe................

I still remember @Horus has special Thread on this idea in 2014......

 

[Tipu7]

I expected to see Erdogun next to King Salman, strangely he isn't there! Nawaz looks very very agitated.

NS was looking happy during JFT performance........

@Tipu7 @The Eagle @Sipahi @Moonlight @Khafee

If Pakistan is supposed to lead the alliance then we should agree on that. We can ease down tensions between Arabs and Iran. Otherwise situation might turn hostile again if KSA or Egypt tried to lead the alliance........

The idea start first from PDF I believe................

I still remember @Horus has special Thread on this idea in 2014......

As per religious point of view.
Islam forbids such nationalism which bring conflict of blood with your brother Muslim nation.
It's matter of time, these countries have to join up now and snatch the ideology of Caliphate or Muslim alliance from likes of ISIS.
A common military, economic system, geopolitical contribution of Islamic nations can bring every power of this World to knees......

 

[RoadRunner401]

There is a lot for every country who joins if we can get the foundation of the alliance right. Please do not dismiss it on the basis of sectarian or Saudi-iran context. Monetary benefits are least of my concern. We can make principled guidelines to this alliance and make it a neutral one. Iran, Iraq and Syria should be encouraged to join in. Interference must be discouraged. To give legitimacy to its neutrality its headquarters should locate in neutral countries like Indonesia, Oman, Pakistan or Turkey. It should aim at fighting terrorism in all its forms anywhere in Muslim population. ISIL, TTP, Boko Haram and PKK must be brought to their knees with a combined strategy. Where there might be a difference of opinion, then policy of containment and non-interference can work best. For example handling with Hizbollah, Houthis, Afghan Taliban and FSA.

In nutshell, first priority should be to bring back peace and order in Muslim lands. I don't see anyone not benefitting from this. We all will have a chance at greater prosperity when we are not fighting amongst ourselves.

I am the only one that's not looking at it from sectarian point of view, others are simply in favour without asking the question, as you can see from my previous "post".

I am looking at it from economical point of view, I don't care if the investors are Iranian or Saudi. I care if they are willing to invest in my country. I ask again what's in it for us (Pakistan) to Join this alliance.

 

[Indos]

As per religious point of view.
Islam forbids such nationalism which bring conflict of blood with your brother Muslim nation.
It's matter of time, these countries have to join up now and snatch the ideology of Caliphate or Muslim alliance from likes of ISIS.
A common military, economic system, geopolitical contribution of Islamic nations can bring every power of this World to knees......

I dont think there is a problem with Nationalism, this is the thing that ISIS and the like is thinking since they see us all as Non-Islamic by seeing there are many Muslim nations. The essence is how to manage those nations in order to find unity, because of that there is a need to create a very effective and just institution to do that.

Nationalism is actually something similar like Arab Tribes during Madinah rule, there is nothing wrong about it as long as all the tribes get united in one banner for a strategic issue like foreign policy and military action. Even between Quraish there are faction (Hashimi/ Muawiyah/Abbas) and Anshar ( 2 tribes / I forget) in which each of them try to seek power during Madinah rule. As Islam spreads, so it is inevitable to see such nationalism exist, I can say it should be seen as Sunnatullah, so eliminating this thing is against our own nature.

The truth is that ISIS/TTP/Taliban wants to rule as like as Madinah rule (First Four Chalip) since they see that it is How Islamic nation should be, heck that time Muslim lacks of modern democratic institution that later create huge problem in the time of Khalifah Ali Bin Abi Thalib that later create war that killed 20.000 Muslim troops that later weaken Ali position and bring Muawiyah (Family ruling) Empire to rule the entire Muslim areas for 100 years.

So, never afraid of Nationalism, it is Institution that needs to create to manage it.

 

[Tipu7]

Indian Muslim soldier, picking up Arms to fight against his Muslim Pakistani brothers for the sake of his False Spirit of National ism.
This is the case which is forbidden in Islam. Bit complex to explain. Since in above case, this rule will not be applied on Pakistani Muslims, but on Indian Muslims.only......

I dont think there is a problem with Nationalism, this is the thing that ISIS and the like is thinking since they see us all as Non-Islamic by seeing there are many Muslim nations. The essence is how to manage those nations in order to find unity, because of that there is a need to create a very effective and just institution to do that.

Nationalism is actually something similar like Arab Tribes during Madinah rule, there is nothing wrong about it as long as all the tribes get united in one banner for a strategic issue like foreign policy and military action. Even between Quraish there are faction (Hashimi/ Muawiyah/Abbas) and Anshar ( 2 tribes / I forget) in which each of them try to seek power during Madinah rule. As Islam spreads, so it is inevitable to see such nationalism exist, I can say it should be seen as Sunnatullah, so eliminating this thing is against our own nature.

The truth is that ISIS/TTP/Taliban wants to rule as like as Madinah rule (First Four Chalip) since they see that it is How Islamic nation should be, heck that time Muslim lacks of modern democratic institution that later create huge problem in the time of Khalifah Ali Bin Abi Thalib that later create war that killed 20.000 Muslim troops that later weaken Ali position and bring Muawiyah (Family ruling) Empire to rule the entire Muslim areas for 100 years.

So, never afraid of Nationalism, it is Institution that needs to create to manage it.

Sisi is there.....so, you shouldn't expect Erdoğan.

Too bad,I wished to see Eordgan and Mursi there......... I miss that guy.

 

[Paksanity]

I am the only one that's not looking at it from sectarian point of view, others are simply in favour without asking the question, as you can see from my previous "post".

I am looking at it from economical point of view, I don't care if the investors are Iranian or Saudi. I care if they are willing to invest in my country. I ask again what's in it for us (Pakistan) to Join this alliance.

We win in breaking down the narrative of TTP. That's a big win. We spend less on our war against TTP because now efforts are shared. Thing about investment is it will only come when there is security and investment friendly policies. Later is for us to do. Former can now be shared. There is one very important benefit. Afghanistan has been harming us while sitting in India's lap. A combine effort from Muslim nations will force Afghanistan to retract it's support for TTP and in return this alliance will assist Afghanistan bring security and stability. If somehow we can make it non sectarian, non Saudi-Iran alliance, it will benefit everyone.

@Icarus can you please keep Indian members out of this thread. They are just trying to spoil discussion. They don't belong to this thread anyways.

 

[Frogman]

KSA will not allow anyone no matter how experienced they are lead this coalition. The Pakistani press is getting too far ahead of itself.

Too bad,I wished to see Eordgan and Mursi there......... I miss that guy.

Well if he was still there this Ex wouldn't have happened. Elsisi has been the most vocal supporter of a unified Arab or Muslim military coalition and it was his administration that laid the groundwork for an Ex like this. So, there.