Saudi Arabia mulls NATO-like military alliance of Muslim countries, asks Pakistan to lead

[ito]

This shows the strange strong hold of Saudi government across Muslim world. This is clear that the 'alliance' is against Iran.

 

[Tipu7]

The problem was with the poster who seemed to suggest Indian Muslims fighting the Pakistani Army is wrong, because it is nationalism. But, Muslims fighting other Muslims (termed terrorists by certain Muslim countries) seems to be ok.

Rest of your points, completely in sync.

I stand at what I said.

May God pick bodies of Indian Muslims and Indian Hindus together at dooms day and treat them equally in afterlife

I guess you are Muslim, but Indian. But You don't seem to me ,much religious person, because otherwise you were not discussing well proven basics of Islam and conditions related to Jihad, and feeling ''hurt'' about the Truth which I just mentioned...................

I dont think there is a problem with Nationalism, this is the thing that ISIS and the like is thinking since they see us all as Non-Islamic by seeing there are many Muslim nations. The essence is how to manage those nations in order to find unity, because of that there is a need to create a very effective and just institution to do that.

Nationalism is actually something similar like Arab Tribes during Madinah rule, there is nothing wrong about it as long as all the tribes get united in one banner for a strategic issue like foreign policy and military action. Even between Quraish there are faction (Hashimi/ Muawiyah/Abbas) and Anshar ( 2 tribes / I forget) in which each of them try to seek power during Madinah rule. As Islam spreads, so it is inevitable to see such nationalism exist, I can say it should be seen as Sunnatullah, so eliminating this thing is against our own nature.

The truth is that ISIS/TTP/Taliban wants to rule as like as Madinah rule (First Four Chalip) since they see that it is How Islamic nation should be, heck that time Muslim lacks of modern democratic institution that later create huge problem in the time of Khalifah Ali Bin Abi Thalib that later create war that killed 20.000 Muslim troops that later weaken Ali position and bring Muawiyah (Family ruling) Empire to rule the entire Muslim areas for 100 years.

So, never afraid of Nationalism, it is Institution that needs to create to manage it.

remember the time when British ruled Indonesia and Sub continent............... and British sent Indian soldiers to crush the freedom movement of Indonesia? And ''muslim Indian soldiers'' refused to shot at Indonesians and joined their ranks instead.
Pure example to give, if someone ask you how fighting purely for ''nationalism'' is fitna under specific conditions, as declared by Islam..................

 

[surya kiran]

I stand at what I said.

May God pick bodies of Indian Muslims and Indian Hindus together at dooms day and treat them equally in afterlife

I guess you are Muslim, but Indian. But You don't seem to me ,much religious person, because otherwise you were not discussing well proven basics of Islam and conditions related to Jihad, and feeling ''hurt'' about the Truth which I just mentioned...................

I see you did not make an attempt at answering my query.

Do not make assumptions of who I am or what I am. There is no truth or untruth in what you said, just perception. You do not need religion to tell you what is good or what is bad or what is right or wrong. You need a brain to do that.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

The problem was with the poster who seemed to suggest Indian Muslims fighting the Pakistani Army is wrong, because it is nationalism. But, Muslims fighting other Muslims (termed terrorists by certain Muslim countries) seems to be ok.

Rest of your points, completely in sync.

What you are saying regarding Muslim fighting Muslim and naming them terrorist are two very different things.

Muslim is not supposed to fight a fellow Muslim. There is an exemption to this. (If the other Muslim is attacked by a fellow Muslim. In this case war can be declared.)

Terrorism is still not officially defined till the present day.

Now if we say Indian Muslim men / women serving in the Armed forces can fight against Pakistani Muslims, it can be debated in many ways. What the poster seemed to suggest could also be considered, today most of the armed forces are not based on religious reasons but on nationalism.

 

[Tipu7]

I see you did not make an attempt at answering my query.

Do not make assumptions of who I am or what I am. There is no truth or untruth in what you said, just perception. You do not need religion to tell you what is good or what is bad or what is right or wrong. You need a brain to do that.

you created a hypothetical situation and exemplified Militant extremists to relate with topic, and this is not related at all.
Muslim Indians, killing Pakistani Muslims (Their brothers,follower of same faith) just to protect a Enemy faith, enemy ideology and enemy state of Islam........................ That's why I said, got will resurrect Indian Muslims and Hindus together and treat them in same manner............ I.A

As per Militants, do you understand ''Khawarji'' term? If yes, then you already know the answer. If no, then you don't desrve an answer...........................

 

[surya kiran]

you created a hypothetical situation and exemplified Militant extremists to relate with topic, and this is not related at all.
Muslim Indians, killing Pakistani Muslims (Their brothers,follower of same faith) just to protect a Enemy faith, enemy ideology and enemy state of Islam

I did not name militant extremists. Who is Saudi Arabia fighting or wanting to fight? Does fighting Houthis require a NATO like coalition?

What is an enemy state of Islam? For Saudi Arabia, that would be Iran? For Iran, that would be Israel? What is an enemy faith? Is Hinduism an enemy faith? Is Christianity an enemy faith? Is Buddism or Jainism an enemy faith? Does Islam say these are enemy faiths? Does religion tell you there are enemy faiths?

 

[Tipu7]

Who is Saudi Arabia fighting or wanting to fight?

Iran and its allies. More accurately its collision of two branches of same tree.............

Does fighting Houthis require a NATO like coalition?

No. Hauthi are just one box of puzzle. For achieving global goal and battle against certain ideologies, such alliance is being considered by Arabs.

What is an enemy state of Islam?

Any when which engage war against a Welfare Muslim state or against a state dominated by Muslim ideologies. And scale of war is wide to both materialistic war as well as non materialistic war based upon ideological collisions.

Is Hinduism an enemy faith?

Thanks to policies of India, it is fine to assume that for Islam, it is a hostile country and can use its faith to deliver damage to its counterparts in both dimensions.

Is Christianity an enemy faith? Is Buddism or Jainism an enemy faith?

Some yes, some no. Depends upon global geo politics and policies of respective nations. Just like Judhism is divided into Zionism and Non Zionism. First one is hostile, second one is not.

Does Islam say these are enemy faiths? Does religion tell you there are enemy faiths?

Yes. But not sharply and accurately. It do define the parameters that how can a certain faith can or cannot be hostile towards you. World is all about collision of civilizations and faiths. Alliances are also made accordingly.

 

[Indika]

Iran the new russia of asia albeit with no nukes.

You do not need religion to tell you what is good or what is bad or what is right or wrong. You need a brain to do that.

Exactly principles and values should be our guidelines not friends or religion or gains.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

What is an enemy state of Islam? For Saudi Arabia, that would be Iran? For Iran, that would be Israel? What is an enemy faith? Is Hinduism an enemy faith? Is Christianity an enemy faith? Is Buddism or Jainism an enemy faith? Does Islam say these are enemy faiths? Does religion tell you there are enemy faiths?

We should stop debating religion its against PDF rules....

Islam calls Pagan (Non-Be-leavers) as enemy... You can do your own assessment who would fall into this.

 

[Azadkashmir]

do the least, get them to go frontline and be the last in, be first one out and charge them as much as you can drain them its all ummah. just bloody milk them.

 

[Serpentine]

Iranian military is weak in conventional war. This is evident by fact that Russia has to go in Syria to save the regime. Otherwise it would be Iran deploying it's forces. Iranian military campaign especially Air Force did not make any difference against ISIS in Iraq. It was again US and NATO Airstrikes which were more successful. Iran does use proxies more effectively. Hizbollah, Hutis and Iraqi militia forces are good in fighting that kind of war.

Please educate yourself in this regard. Iran's air force didn't participate in operation against ISIS in Iraq (for various reasons, except 2-3 limited sorties near Iranian border which successfully hit the targets). Neither did we deploy troops to Iraq except some very limited number of volunteer forces. Btw, PMF forces in Iraq which have full Iran backing are the most successful force against ISIS in Iraq.

About Syria, we didn't deploy anything there except 2000 IRGC forces. The reason Russia was the better choice was not only its more powerful military, but its position in UNSC. If Iran had gone in with full force, many sensitivities would arise.

 

[C130]

a task force of 100,000 Muslims trained and equip for counter-terrorism would be interesting.

you would need the equipment and logistics to get men from one hot spot to another and deal with the threat.

 

[Maira La]

Pakistan should accept if our Arab friends agree in principle to keep doors open for Iraq and Iran to join when the hostilities draw down. This is a historic opportunity most of us never thought we would see in our lifetimes. Its time Muslims of this world took ownership of their own security. If Pakistan can provide service to the Muslim world by putting it together and leading it then it is nothing less than an honor. This alliance will have its faults but it is definitely a step in the right direction...so i say Bismillah to this.

A step in the right direction? Consider this.. would the Arabs ever send a hundred thousand ARAB soldiers to protect Pakistan should the need arise (God forbid)? Forget hundred thousand, how about a single regiment? Please understand how the Arabs are making full use of Islam to protect themselves AND project their influence!

 

[Maira La]

This shows the strange strong hold of Saudi government across Muslim world. This is clear that the 'alliance' is against Iran.

You mean.. stranglehold? lol :p

 

[friendly_troll96]

You mean.. stranglehold? lol :p