Saudi Arabia/GCC countries still reliable allies? Pakistani government's terrible diplomacy at work.

[Metanoia]

India has always tried to fix his people in Pakistan's foreign office, but with support of Zardari India managed to achieve... which it could not in 100 years.
Now the remnants of Zardari are playing slow game.

The Pakistani establishment or the Noon-League are also "Zardari's remnants"? Who has been in charge since the past 5 years, Zardari?

 

[waz]

waz yaar he is right Saudi are not even in this listing ...why so much media campaign

Bro I went through this earlier on the thread, but just in case you missed it I'll run through it again. The GCC countries have a core vote and in all issues.

Here it is;

Although the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) is a full Member of the FATF, the individual Member countries of the GCC (of Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates) are not. As an FATF Member, the GCC is committed to implementing the anti-money laundering (AML) and counter-terrorist financing (CFT) measures agreed to by the FATF Members - in particular, the FATF Recommendations.

http://www.fatf-gafi.org/faq/membercountriesandobservers/

The recommendation was that Pakistan be looked at to be put on the grey list. There were three objections, one of which was from the GCC countries. Now the Saudis come into this because the GCC delegation was made up in a large part by Saudi negotiators, who are the most experienced in such matters mainly due to the fact that they have years of experience at it. The rest of the GCC countries are pretty much new fry to all this.
At the second vote after a little talk by the American delegation the GCC countries dropped their objecting vote. There was no visible sign of coercion and it can be described as a friendly chat. This is exactly what has been reported by Pakistan's own representative i.e. Dr Miftah Ismail, the team with him also reported the same.

Even if he is lying the silence from the GCC countries since the vote speaks volumes. The Chinese ambassador to Pakistan was asked today what happened and he looked very embarrassed, you can see the video for yourself. He called the issue "complex". The Chinese stayed with Pakistan, and I believe this "complex" element he is referring to is the fact the vote collapsed with the withdrawal of the GCC vote.

All in all bro Pakistanis just need each other and be sincere and strong. I said it earlier just take a step back and build quietly. On another issue Turkey should truly be commended for standing by Pakistan through thick and thin, by God these guys are true brothers.

 

[Divergent]

What’s annoying is these idiots are training soldiers from other Countries, accepting refugees from a neighbouring Country and allow China do huge business through CPEC yet can’t secure any political loyalty.

Pakistan needs to seriously start being members in all these organisation. Political influence and getting foot in the door is what 1) gives you a good profile 2) influential decisions 3) better outlook

 

[Winchester]

The organisation itself is a joke. Pull up a list of countries who have supported proxy terrorist organisations and Pakistan wouldn't even be in the top 10.

Its laughable really that the likes of U.S, U.K and the GCC are reprimanding Pakistan for "terror financing".

 

[Divergent]

The organisation itself is a joke. Pull up a list of countries who have supported proxy terrorist organisations and Pakistan wouldn't even be in the top 10.

Its laughable really that the likes of U.S, U.K and the GCC are reprimanding Pakistan for "terror financing".

What proxies do Countries like US and UK support?

 

[Winchester]

What proxies do Countries like US and UK support?

The US has supported and continues to support Kurdish paramilitaries. Those organisations have carried out terrorist attacks inside Turkey.

Also has admitted to providing weapons to certain Syrian rebel groups.

The U.K houses the likes of Altaf Hussain who for years ran the biggest terrorist extortion ring in South Asia and laundered the money to his bank accounts in Britain.

 

[Divergent]

The US has supported and continues to support Kurdish paramilitaries. Those organisations have carried out terrorist attacks inside Turkey.

Also has admitted to providing weapons to certain Syrian rebel groups.

The U.K houses the likes of Altaf Hussain who for years ran the biggest terrorist extortion ring in South Asia and laundered the money to his bank accounts in Britain.

Don’t forget ISIS

 

[Winchester]

Don’t forget ISIS

That is off the records.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Very simple solution. Let's support Iran on something to light their asses on fire. Politics is all about blackmail.

 

[BHarwana]

Very simple solution. Let's support Iran on something to light their asses on fire. Politics is all about blackmail.

The Irani Air chief is already in Pakistan.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

1) Iran is NOT recruiting Pakistanis for war in Syria. Pakistani Shias did go out to Syria and some to Iraq VOLUNTARILY for the purpose of defending the Shia shrines and protect the Shias due to the dire situation, all thanks to the Salafi ideology originating from the Gulf. Shia genocide had to stopped and Shias had to come together to face the Salaf onslaught(which was directly supported by the Gulfies). Perhaps it's time for the Sunnis to grow a back bone and volunteer for Myanmar or Kashmir instead of continuously labelling Shias and shedding their blood. More Shia blood has been shed by Salafs and Deobands rather than the Israelis or the Americans.

2) Lie. What military pact does Iran has against Pakistan?

3) Complete and utter lie on your part based on your bias, delusion and hatred.

4) That's true, and I as a Pakistani do not support their stance.

5) Hallucinations on your part due to your BIAS. I'll tell you something and you can write this down, Dubai will try it's best NOT to allow Gwadar to succeed. Yet you'll find your boogeyman in Iran.

6) That's a lie. Iran is NOT hiring Uzair Baloch type target killers to create internal problems for Pakistan. Just like the Nawaz and co. have found their sugar-daddy in Saudi Arabia, likewise Zardari and co. found their sugar-daddy in Iran. Blame the beghairati and dishonourable conduct of the Pakistani politicians and establishment, not Iran or Saudi.

7) Iran is buying Shia seminaries in Pakistan?! Do you even hear yourself? The Deoband or Salaf hate factories are okay? And of course, the Saheeh and Pious Muslims do not get their funding from the Gulf at all?

How many Pakistani Shias do you know who have been caught in acts of terrorism abroad? How many Pakistani Shias do you know who have blown up mosques inside Pakistan? While on the other hand....

True, Iran and Saudi Arabia both play dirty politics, but it is vastly due to the stupidity, impotency, and dishonourable conduct of the Pakistani establishment/ruling elite. Take off your sectarian glasses.

you can deny but can't change the facts.
I can prove all of the above points I raised.
Iran is our number one enemy, even worse than India as it pretends to be friend but is planning to make us Syria or Iraq.

 

[Enigma_]

Pakistani diplomacy is terrible mostly because we don't have a foreign policy except talking out of our arses like idiots. But even good diplomacy wouldn't have changed a thing with KSA and GCC. They view Pakistan and Pakistanis as slaves and despise us. It is an unfortunate truth. I wish it didn't have to be this way and honestly thought I was proven wrong in light of the events that KSA had supported us at FATF. Alas such things are too good to be true.

 

[Fledgingwings]

Matlab?

Sajjan kon te wairy kon.if you understand punjabi.

 

[T-Rex]

Iran had a habit of interfering in Pakistan matters.
1) Iran is recruiting Pakistanis for war in Syria not Saudi Arabia.
2) Iran had military pact against Pakistan not KSA.
3) Thousands of shias are hired by Iran for espionage and other pro Iran activities in Pakistan. They openly do it.
4) Iran supported India at every forum against Pakistan not KSA.
5) Iranian revolutionaries student wing with government support attacked Pakistani embassy in Iran multiple times.
5) Iran tries a drone strike in Baluchistan and made a big dirty game plan with India against Pakistan.
6) Iranians are hiring target killers like Uzair baloch to create internal problems for us.
7) Iran is buying shias madrassas in Pakistan to protest against any Pakistani step which is either against Iranian interest or towards better relation with Arabs who always have supported us.

tell me dear revolutionary, do you enjoy friendship with idol worshippers.

Iran is definitely not on the right track on many issues but the House of Saud is equally harmful. The Saudis are doing the bidding for the US and israel on the other hand Iran is doing the bidding for india. India is less of a threat for she comes as a foe but look at the role of the US (doing the bidding for india) but she comes as friend. Turkey and Pakistan have only each other (China has shown the tendency of buying the narratives of the terror god fathers at certain times) and thy should build on that. Azerbaijan can be added to that list for they are facing the same kind of treachery and betrayal.

 

[Ocean]

Khawajah Asifs botch up as usual