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Samsung opens two appliance plants in Bangladesh

Is it just me or is it that some of you guys nearly always have to add some weird religious/political angle into......everything?

I see little reason to rejoice other than the fact that Samsung products will be more affordable by more Bangladeshis. Bangladeshi companies like Transcom among others have been doing these for some time.

Bangladesh's investment (both local and foreign) climate is still weak, and is insufficient to reach Vision 2030. The level of foreign investment pales in comparison to neighboring countries. This is currently not due to politics, but due to high corporate tax rates. Bangladesh has some of the highest in the region. It's so high that some companies (depending on their sector) see nearly half of their profits go to taxes. Along with other nuances, if taxes are so high, why should anyone invest in your country? Better to invest someplace else (speaking purely from the perspective of an investor).

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http://print.thefinancialexpress-bd.com/2017/04/30/171309/print


These Tax rates do not apply to FDI.... they get tax rate of 0% for atleast the first 10 years. After that the tax rate is agreed between the company and the government.

BD tax system is not very well developed and it does not hinder FDI. We are FDI friendly but have terrible infrastructure.
 
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These Tax rates do not apply to FDI.... they get tax rate of 0% for atleast the first 10 years.

Elaborate please. No country taxes FDI as far as I am aware....given its investment (and you really have to be pretty anti-business to tax the actual investment flow). Tax is always on the revenue front (i.e a few dominoes down from the actual original investment flow), so tax holidays have to be structured by sector, GCF cutoff or similar.
 
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These Tax rates do not apply to FDI.... they get tax rate of 0% for atleast the first 10 years. After that the tax rate is agreed between the company and the government.

Ten years of tax exemption? Are you sure about? From what I gather, that 10 year period of tax exemption you mentioned only apply to Export Processing Zone (EPZ) industries of all types. Be they 100% foreign owned (Type-A), a joint venture or 100% local. These are always 100% export oriented industries. The idea here is to promote exports and make our BOP look better. They enjoy numerous other perks like duty free import of raw materials and capital machinery and full repatriation of profits. By the way, that neat long tax perk only applies to entities established before January 2012. The ones established after that have a separate tax policy not as great that 10 year one. If I'm not mistaken, they only get a 100% tax exemption for the first year of operations. So if you are investing now for those juicy tax breaks, well too bad.

These EPZ's are basically special economic zones meant to lure in FDI. These zones are technically considered foreign territory. This is why banks report import-export those transactions with IMP and EXP Forms.

Another recent method of luring in FDI is off-shore banking. You can invest foreign currency in a Bangladeshi financial institution from which they can use to offer loans to their respective clients. Once the loan matures, you can get your interest and principal and profit. Maximum interest rate is 6% including LIBOR as per Bangladesh Bank circular. And since its off-shore, it is considered (again) foreign territory and hence free of tax as far as your investment is concerned.

But if you ask me, those foreign investors just drop in with their money, then take it and go home happy. End of story. They don't care about the FDI situation in the country. This is just my opinion and experience.

Outside of those, and unless you are part of a big and powerful business delegation visiting Bangladesh and take part in business discussions and negotiations with senior government officials; even if you invest as a 100% foreign owned entity under Bangladeshi jurisdiction, or have a joint venture with you having some percentage of equity, the corporate tax structure still applies.

There are other forms of tax breaks for both foreign and domestic. They are not necessarily FDI specific.
https://www.bb.org.bd/investfacility/invesfac.php

BD tax system is not very well developed and it does not hinder FDI. We are FDI friendly but have terrible infrastructure.

Infrastructure along with other factors like land allocation, deficient administration with regards to setting up those EPZ's among others.

Let's honestly ask ourselves, what are all these taxes doing? They failed to development the transport sector (albeit willingly), the power sector still needs development (where there are vested interests) - there are even entire villages without running electricity. The list can go on. But hey, a gargantuan government, a lot of money.
 
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Is it just me or is it that some of you guys nearly always have to add some weird religious/political angle into......everything?

I see little reason to rejoice other than the fact that Samsung products will be more affordable by more Bangladeshis. Bangladeshi companies like Transcom among others have been doing these for some time.

Bangladesh's investment (both local and foreign) climate is still weak, and is insufficient to reach Vision 2030. The level of foreign investment pales in comparison to neighboring countries. This is currently not due to politics, but due to high corporate tax rates. Bangladesh has some of the highest in the region. It's so high that some companies (depending on their sector) see nearly half of their profits go to taxes. Along with other nuances, if taxes are so high, why should anyone invest in your country? Better to invest someplace else (speaking purely from the perspective of an investor).

front-grap_171309_0.jpg

http://print.thefinancialexpress-bd.com/2017/04/30/171309/print

Right on the money there - Loki Bhai.

When will our 'Maal Chacha' understand that you need to lower taxes to attract FDI and keep local businesses in the country....:rolleyes:

Thailand's tax rate is probably even lower - they get as much FDI as Malaysia if not more, at the detriment of course of Malaysia. A lot of FDI in these two countries is from Japan moving its sunset industries to these countries. In spite of having spectacular labor rate attractiveness compared to both of these countries (and Thanks to the idiotic FDI policy and lack of initiative to build infrastructure by our Gandoo govt.) we could not attract enough Korean or Japanese sunset investments like in these countries or even Vietnam/Indonesia for that matter.

We would've attracted electronics factories for export instead of simply local consumption like we did in this case.

More food for thought on Malaysian FDI inflow from an interesting paper by Malaysian scholars....

"Foreign direct investment (FDI) has been seen as a key driver underlying the strong growth performance experienced by the Malaysian economy. Policy reforms, including the introduction of the Investment Incentives Act 1968, the establishment of free trade zones in the early 1970s, and the provision of export incentives alongside the acceleration of open policy in the 1980s, led to a surge of FDI in the late 1980s.

To attract a larger inflow of FDI, the government introduced more liberal incentives including allowing a larger percentage of foreign equity ownership in enterprise under the Promotion of Investment Act (PIA), 1986. This effort resulted in a large inflow of FDI after 1987(the inflow of FDI grew at an annual average rate of 38.7 percent between 1986 and 1996).

Apart from these policy factors, it is generally believed that sound macroeconomic management, sustained economic growth, and the presence of a well functioning financial system have made Malaysia an attractive prospect for FDI. (Ministry of Finance, 2001).

The major areas of investment by foreign companies are in sectors such as electronics and electrical products, chemicals and chemical products, basic metal products, nonmetallic mineral products, food manufacturing, plastic products, and scientific and measuring equipment.(Ministry of Finance, 2001)."

"FDI is thought to be growth-enhancing mainly through the capital, technology and know-how that it brings into the recipient country.

By transferring knowledge, FDI will increase the existing stock of knowledge in the host country through labor training, transfer of skills, and the transfer of new managerial and organizational practice.

FDI will also promote the use of more advanced technologies by domestic firms through capital accumulation in the domestic country (De Mello, 1997, 1999).

Finally, FDI is thought to open up export markets and to promote domestic investments through the technological spillovers and the resulting productivity increase. In theory there are several potential ways in which FDI can promote economic growth.

For example, Solow-type standard neoclassical growth models suggest that FDI increases the capital stock and thus growth in the host economy by financing capital formation (Brems, 1970).

Admittedly, in neoclassical growth models with diminishing returns to capital, FDI has only a "short-run" growth effect as countries move towards a new steady state.

Accordingly, the impact of FDI on growth is identical to that of domestic investment. In contrast, in endogenous growth models, FDI is generally assumed to be more productive than domestic investment, since FDI encourages the incorporation of new technologies in the production function of the host economy (Borensztein et al., 1998). In this view, FDI-related technological spillovers offset the effects of diminishing returns to capital and keep the economy on a long-term growth path.

Moreover, endogenous growth models imply that FDI can promote long-run growth by augmenting the existing stock of knowledge in the host economy through labour training and skill acquisition, on the one hand, and through the introduction of alternative management practices and organizational arrangements on the other (see, e.g., de Mello, 1997).

Thus, through capital accumulation and knowledge spillovers, FDI may play an important role for economic growth."​

https://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/14999/1/FDI_on_Economic_Growth.pdf

So to continue, what are the standard Industrial classification for manufactured (and exported) items that developed Malaysia? And where do we stand now as far as manufacturing and maybe exports (my comments in red)? Correct me if I am wrong.
  1. electrical products
    • Electronic Components - bolts, clamps, fasteners, rivets, lighting, semi conductor, integrated circuits, microprocessors, cables and wires, switches, sensors, keyboards, sockets, timing devices, laser modules, solar devices, test and inspection equipment, scientific and technical instruments etc. (some export of specialized components such as household/industrial switches/circuit breakers but huge cable and wires sector for domestic consumption).
    • Computer and Office Equipment -computer hardware, peripherals, software and office automation equipment (zero to no export except local assembly/consumption of laptops/PCs and peripherals (such as Wi-Fi routers and power backup devices by private and public sector ).
    • Telecommunications equipment - (some minor manufacturing, negligible export)
    • Consumer Electronics - LCD/LED televisions, stereos, speakers, video recorders, CD players, radios, cameras, wireless devices, kitchen appliances (huge local manufacturing/assembly sector, regional exports growing, no exports to first world markets yet)
    • Consumer Electrics - (huge local manufacturing sector, exports growing)
    • Industrial Electronics and Electrics (some minor to middling manufacturing, some minor to middling exports)
  2. chemicals and chemical products - (growing local manufacturing sector, exports growing)
  3. basic metal products -
    • Spun-aluminum, formed and sand-cast aluminium cookware export is established,
    • Non-stick cookware exports growing along with kitchen electrics.
    • Forged/sand-cast pipes and accessories of various metals and types is also huge sector.
    • Steel Fastener industry is sufficient for local demand but will export to grow.
    • Prefab Metal buildings are a huge industry sufficient to meet local demand and exports are rapidly climbing.
    • Forged metal products are again-nascent, and slated to grow with automotive and agro-machinery assembly efforts.
  4. nonmetallic mineral products
    • Stone Products - (some minor handicraft-related manufacturing, negligible export)
    • Clay Products - (huge local manufacturing sector especially crockeries, sanitary-ware, tiles etc., exports growing)
    • Glass Products - (huge local manufacturing sector especially plateglass, coated glass and crockeries etc., exports growing)
    • Cement and Manufactured Concrete Products - (huge local manufacturing sector mainly for local consumption)
  5. food manufacturing - (huge abattoir, prepared/preserved foods manufacturing sector, exports established and growing further)
  6. plastic products- (huge local manufacturing sector with extruded, roto-molded and injection molded sectors, exports established to first world markets and growing)
  7. scientific and measuring equipment - (zero to none as far as I know, but there may be niche manufacturing for export in the SEZs)
to be continued.....
 
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Bangladesh has become the best place to invest in south Asia. Sheikh Haseena is really doing great with the economy and also security. She has literally raised the standards of the society and got rid of the unwanted ideologies and useless thought which could have doomed Bangladesh.

Those ideologies are thriving my friend thanks to Hasina 'Jee' and ilk (Indians).
 
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Right on the money there - Loki Bhai.

When will our 'Maal Chacha' understand that you need to lower taxes to attract FDI and keep local businesses in the country....:rolleyes:

Thailand's tax rate is probably even lower - they get as much FDI as Malaysia if not more, at the detriment of course of Malaysia. A lot of FDI in these two countries is from Japan moving its sunset industries to these countries. In spite of having spectacular labor rate attractiveness compared to both of these countries (and Thanks to the idiotic FDI policy and lack of initiative to build infrastructure by our Gandoo govt.) we could not attract enough Korean or Japanese sunset investments like in these countries or even Vietnam/Indonesia for that matter.

We would've attracted electronics factories for export instead of simply local consumption like we did in this case.

More food for thought on Malaysian FDI inflow from an interesting paper by Malaysian scholars....

"Foreign direct investment (FDI) has been seen as a key driver underlying the strong growth performance experienced by the Malaysian economy. Policy reforms, including the introduction of the Investment Incentives Act 1968, the establishment of free trade zones in the early 1970s, and the provision of export incentives alongside the acceleration of open policy in the 1980s, led to a surge of FDI in the late 1980s.

To attract a larger inflow of FDI, the government introduced more liberal incentives including allowing a larger percentage of foreign equity ownership in enterprise under the Promotion of Investment Act (PIA), 1986. This effort resulted in a large inflow of FDI after 1987(the inflow of FDI grew at an annual average rate of 38.7 percent between 1986 and 1996).

Apart from these policy factors, it is generally believed that sound macroeconomic management, sustained economic growth, and the presence of a well functioning financial system have made Malaysia an attractive prospect for FDI. (Ministry of Finance, 2001).

The major areas of investment by foreign companies are in sectors such as electronics and electrical products, chemicals and chemical products, basic metal products, nonmetallic mineral products, food manufacturing, plastic products, and scientific and measuring equipment.(Ministry of Finance, 2001)."

"FDI is thought to be growth-enhancing mainly through the capital, technology and know-how that it brings into the recipient country.

By transferring knowledge, FDI will increase the existing stock of knowledge in the host country through labor training, transfer of skills, and the transfer of new managerial and organizational practice.

FDI will also promote the use of more advanced technologies by domestic firms through capital accumulation in the domestic country (De Mello, 1997, 1999).

Finally, FDI is thought to open up export markets and to promote domestic investments through the technological spillovers and the resulting productivity increase. In theory there are several potential ways in which FDI can promote economic growth.

For example, Solow-type standard neoclassical growth models suggest that FDI increases the capital stock and thus growth in the host economy by financing capital formation (Brems, 1970).

Admittedly, in neoclassical growth models with diminishing returns to capital, FDI has only a "short-run" growth effect as countries move towards a new steady state.

Accordingly, the impact of FDI on growth is identical to that of domestic investment. In contrast, in endogenous growth models, FDI is generally assumed to be more productive than domestic investment, since FDI encourages the incorporation of new technologies in the production function of the host economy (Borensztein et al., 1998). In this view, FDI-related technological spillovers offset the effects of diminishing returns to capital and keep the economy on a long-term growth path.

Moreover, endogenous growth models imply that FDI can promote long-run growth by augmenting the existing stock of knowledge in the host economy through labour training and skill acquisition, on the one hand, and through the introduction of alternative management practices and organizational arrangements on the other (see, e.g., de Mello, 1997).

Thus, through capital accumulation and knowledge spillovers, FDI may play an important role for economic growth."​

https://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/14999/1/FDI_on_Economic_Growth.pdf

So to continue, what are the standard Industrial classification for manufactured (and exported) items that developed Malaysia? And where do we stand now as far as manufacturing and maybe exports (my comments in red)? Correct me if I am wrong.
  1. electrical products
    • Electronic Components - bolts, clamps, fasteners, rivets, lighting, semi conductor, integrated circuits, microprocessors, cables and wires, switches, sensors, keyboards, sockets, timing devices, laser modules, solar devices, test and inspection equipment, scientific and technical instruments etc. (some export of specialized components such as household/industrial switches/circuit breakers but huge cable and wires sector for domestic consumption).
    • Computer and Office Equipment -computer hardware, peripherals, software and office automation equipment (zero to no export except local assembly/consumption of laptops/PCs and peripherals (such as Wi-Fi routers and power backup devices by private and public sector ).
    • Telecommunications equipment - (some minor manufacturing, negligible export)
    • Consumer Electronics - LCD/LED televisions, stereos, speakers, video recorders, CD players, radios, cameras, wireless devices, kitchen appliances (huge local manufacturing/assembly sector, regional exports growing, no exports to first world markets yet)
    • Consumer Electrics - (huge local manufacturing sector, exports growing)
    • Industrial Electronics and Electrics (some minor to middling manufacturing, some minor to middling exports)
  2. chemicals and chemical products - (growing local manufacturing sector, exports growing)
  3. basic metal products -
    • Spun-aluminum, formed and sand-cast aluminium cookware export is established,
    • Non-stick cookware exports growing along with kitchen electrics.
    • Forged/sand-cast pipes and accessories of various metals and types is also huge sector.
    • Steel Fastener industry is sufficient for local demand but will export to grow.
    • Prefab Metal buildings are a huge industry sufficient to meet local demand and exports are rapidly climbing.
    • Forged metal products are again-nascent, and slated to grow with automotive and agro-machinery assembly efforts.
  4. nonmetallic mineral products
    • Stone Products - (some minor handicraft-related manufacturing, negligible export)
    • Clay Products - (huge local manufacturing sector especially crockeries, sanitary-ware, tiles etc., exports growing)
    • Glass Products - (huge local manufacturing sector especially plateglass, coated glass and crockeries etc., exports growing)
    • Cement and Manufactured Concrete Products - (huge local manufacturing sector mainly for local consumption)
  5. food manufacturing - (huge abattoir, prepared/preserved foods manufacturing sector, exports established and growing further)
  6. plastic products- (huge local manufacturing sector with extruded, roto-molded and injection molded sectors, exports established to first world markets and growing)
  7. scientific and measuring equipment - (zero to none as far as I know, but there may be niche manufacturing for export in the SEZs)
to be continued.....

You know, I partly grew up in South East Asia way back in the 90's till the 2000's. I literally saw how the ASEAN nations grew. I remember the then Singapore's prime minister; Lee Kuan Yew joking remarks about SAARC :lol:

Fact of the matter is that we live in a bad neighborhood. Who to blame? I can't say. One can't help to see how stupid it looks. But we could have created a safe haven for wealthy investors and global corporations, along with a powerful security establishment if we had truly wanted to. And if we hadn't been so dense in the first place. ASEAN was just next door.
 
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You know, I partly grew up in South East Asia way back in the 90's till the 2000's. I literally saw how the ASEAN nations grew. I remember the then Singapore's prime minister; Lee Kuan Yew joking remarks about SAARC :lol:

Fact of the matter is that we live in a bad neighborhood. Who to blame? I can't say. One can't help to see how stupid it looks. But we could have created a safe haven for wealthy investors and global corporations, along with a powerful security establishment if we had truly wanted to. And if we hadn't been so dense in the first place. ASEAN was just next door.

ASEAN is over rated. I would rather stay out of it.
 
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ASEAN is over rated. I would rather stay out of it.

Maybe. I didn't say we should be a part of it. Just an approach for investment and strategy with government support which creates jobs and wealth so that people can be happy and a safety they can relatively count on.
 
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One can't help to see how stupid it looks. But we could have created a safe haven for wealthy investors and global corporations, along with a powerful security establishment if we had truly wanted to.

Wanting and doing are two different things. The "want" members here have.... regarding say Walton.... are very different from the "do" that has materialised and will continue to materialise.

Simply having the desire and drive (by say enough elites) is not enough...they have to be capable and intelligent enough to delegate to people that are similarly capable and intelligent....and have that domino chain extend as far as possible downwards and accept the serious political trade-offs that this strategy carries.

Fact of the matter is that we live in a bad neighborhood.

Yet your "bad" neighbour (the big one) has 6 times the per capita market cap...40 - 50 times in gross terms (i.e actionable equity wealth) if we are talking about wealth accumulation here. I wouldn't blame the neighbourhood as no. 1 at all....not even in the top 10 (it only gets into the top 10 if you are better than the neighbourhood to begin with so argument they are holding you back can be made). Botswana never let its neighbourhood come in the way of genuine economic success....and they are landlocked.
 
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Yet your "bad" neighbour (the big one) has 6 times the per capita market cap...40 - 50 times in gross terms (i.e actionable equity wealth) if we are talking about wealth accumulation here. I wouldn't blame the neighbourhood as no. 1 at all....not even in the top 10 (it only gets into the top 10 if you are better than the neighbourhood to begin with so argument they are holding you back can be made). Botswana never let its neighbourhood come in the way of genuine economic success....and they are landlocked.

Sit back and learn my friend now.

Botswana is a tiny country of only around 2 million people. It has massive mineral reserves for it's population.
Mineral exports are around 4 billion US dollars which is 2,000 US dollars per person.

Now BD would need hundreds of billions of dollars in exports of say gas every year to be in the same position as Botswana.
 
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samsung launched two appliance plant in BD, very nice and good news... let bangali to enjoy the products of Samsung...

Sit back and learn my friend now.

Botswana is a tiny country of only around 2 million people. It has massive mineral reserves for it's population.
Mineral exports are around 4 billion US dollars which is 2,000 US dollars per person.

Now BD would need hundreds of billions of dollars in exports of say gas every year to be in the same position as Botswana.
very nice information... thanks for sharing...
 
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You know, I partly grew up in South East Asia way back in the 90's till the 2000's. I literally saw how the ASEAN nations grew. I remember the then Singapore's prime minister; Lee Kuan Yew joking remarks about SAARC :lol:

Fact of the matter is that we live in a bad neighborhood. Who to blame? I can't say. One can't help to see how stupid it looks. But we could have created a safe haven for wealthy investors and global corporations, along with a powerful security establishment if we had truly wanted to. And if we hadn't been so dense in the first place. ASEAN was just next door.

We should have lobbied heavily to join ASEAN when it was formed. The problem was a lack of vision and the habit of continually pandering to India, which over the years has caused more harm than good.

Khaleda's husband did realize this somewhat, with his early 'Look East Policy'. But of course Khaleda surrounded herself with either idiots or thugs and kicked out the only few people who were anywhere near talented. That policy was never followed through to where it would bring lasting change.

End result is we fell at least twenty years behind.

I know there are detractors to the idea of us joining ASEAN. However I'd argue the benefits outweigh the harm.

We ourselves mooted the idea of SAARC in this country (Zia). However in hindsight we underestimated the rivalry, both military and Political between India and Pakistan.

Bad blood could not transcend sound ideas about trading like the EUROPEAN Common market.
 
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We should have lobbied heavily to join ASEAN when it was formed. The problem was a lack of vision and the habit of continually pandering to India, which over the years has caused more harm than good.

Khaleda's husband did realize this somewhat, with his early 'Look East Policy'. But of course Khaleda surrounded herself with either idiots or thugs and kicked out the only few people who were anywhere near talented. That policy was never followed through to where it would bring lasting change.

End result is we fell at least twenty years behind.

I know there are detractors to the idea of us joining ASEAN. However I'd argue the benefits outweigh the harm.

We ourselves mooted the idea of SAARC in this country (Zia). However in hindsight we underestimated the rivalry, both military and Political between India and Pakistan.

Bad blood could not transcend sound ideas about trading like the EUROPEAN Common market.
We have better growth rate than ASEAN.
None if the ASEAN countries are doing anything great.
 
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We have better growth rate than ASEAN.
None if the ASEAN countries are doing anything great.
Most of ASEAN countries are miles ahead of Bangladesh.
Growth rate does not always apply.Bangladesh have a growth rate larger than that of USA.So???
 
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