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6 PL-15? We only see 4 PL-15 so far.
SAC FC-31 Stealth Fighter: News & Discussions
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PL-15x not PL-15. It is for J-20 with retracted wings and smaller diameter.
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Thanks for the info. PL-15x with foldable fins for J-20 like revised AIM-120C7 that increases the numbers of AMRAAM in F-22 from 4 to 6 missiles. Do you think FC-31 could fit 6 missiles internally since their bay is larger than F-35?
My reply on your external pylons that are jettisonable on J-20 was deleted by Deino for no reason. It makes J-20 & FC-31 practical for long range sorties covering south China sea and entrance of Pacific Ocean.
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Honestly I have enough!
It was not deleted for no reason, but since you once again derailed a topic with off-topic replies.
Even this constant PL-15 discussion here is off?
You initiated a plain stupid discussion on Iran and then called others to stop including politics ... how pathetic.
And now either back to the FC-31 or you'll get the next vacation.
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I don't think FC-31 can fit PL-15x up to six like J-20 can. FC-31 version 1 and 2 are too small even for missile about size of PL-12. We must wait to see how new FC-31 will look like for navy. Rumor about bigger size may become true but I doubt it can be much difference if they use WS-19. If Shenyang manage to change whole design and make a larger fighter for navy using WS-10 or WS-15 in the future then yes definitely possible to get 6 PL-15x. Unfortunately we have no idea now instead of just J-35 becoming navy project. If navy wants heavy stealth fighter I can imagine they want one over light fighter. Heavy fighter can increase fighting range the same way using drop pylon and retractable latch mechanism to carry heavy and large missile which prototype 1 and 2 definitely will not be able to take off from Liaoning.
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Honestly I have enough!
It was not deleted for no reason, but since you once again derailed a topic with off-topic replies.
Even this constant PL-15 discussion here is off?
You initiated a plain stupid discussion on Iran and then called others to stop including politics ... how pathetic.
And now either back to the FC-31 or you'll get the next vacation.
I only told @waja2000 that you restricted further talk on Iran so can't reply him on that.
The post you removed was about FC-31 combat capability against its rival. How is that irrelevant?
Thanks. PL-12 already entered service before FC-31 prototype exist so its internal bay should fit PL-12. Hope they'll enlarge the internal bay to fit PL-15 to beat F-35C. Think FC-31 will remain as land based while J-35 will be new modified design.
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It's is irrelevant since it is for the moment a most speculative issue based on wrong conclusions since You still think there will be a smaller FC-31 as a land-based medium-weight fighter and a much enlarged and refined naval version in the class of the J-20 powered by WS-10C and eventually later WS-15 featuring a huge weapons bay for 6 PL-15.
That's crap, pure nonsense and BS and we already discussed so often, therefore please STOP:
The PLAN - by all we know from the most reliable members - has decided to proceed with a refined design based on the current FC-31 (V2). It will still be a medium-weight fighter powered by the WS-13 as an interim engine and later the WS-19. It therefore won't have a huge weapons bay or even side bays, it won't use WS-10C or even WS-15 ... it won't be a super-heavy weight fighter but that's regardless of what YOU think, not what the PLAN needs. They need a versatile modern high-end fighter that is a compromise between cost, complexity, capabilities and most of all being able to still be used off the Liaoning and Shandong carriers.
Therefore taht this as a final warning in the same way I warned and finally banned that clown who still thinks the J-20 uses already now a +240 kN TVC WS-15.
If you want to discuss "What-IF", the please open a new thread, but here it won't be tolerated.
Period.
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It's is irrelevant since it is for the moment a most speculative issue based on wrong conclusions since You still think there will be a smaller FC-31 as a land-based medium-weight fighter and a much enlarged and refined naval version in the class of the J-20 powered by WS-10C and eventually later WS-15 featuring a huge weapons bay for 6 PL-15.
That's crap, pure nonsense and BS and we already discussed so often, therefore please STOP:
The PLAN - by all we know from the most reliable members - has decided to proceed with a refined design based on the current FC-31 (V2). It will still be a medium-weight fighter powered by the WS-13 as an interim engine and later the WS-19. It therefore won't have a huge weapons bay or even side bays, it won't use WS-10C or even WS-15 ... it won't be a super-heavy weight fighter but that's regardless of what YOU think, not what the PLAN needs. They need a versatile modern high-end fighter that is a compromise between cost, complexity, capabilities and most of all being able to still be used off the Liaoning and Shandong carriers.
Therefore taht this as a final warning in the same way I warned and finally banned that clown who still thinks the J-20 uses already now a +240 kN TVC WS-15.
If you want to discuss "What-IF", the please open a new thread, but here it won't be tolerated.
Period.
Since when did I mention there's smaller FC-31? FC-31 is medium sized fighter powered by WS13 and WS19. It is still a prototype undergoing testing and development. It is for export only. The designation FC-31 is confirmed but not J-35.
The navalized stealth fighter will most likely a separate project and could be totally new fighter that is irrelevant to FC-31.
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Smaller that that developed larger J-35 taht you are proposing since weeks. Again: the FC-31 is a proof-of concept aimed to attract potential buyers abroad. No one expected it would simply be produced in serial without further development, refinement and modification. As such FC-31 is a proposed product aimed for export and has two demonstrators flying.
On the other side the J-35 is exactly what most of us expected: A serial development of that given FC-31 for the PLAN. And in contrast to your claims it will still be a medium weight class fighter, exactly what the proposed export FC-31 should have been but with specific changes related to the specific PLAN requirements. Anyway, IMO we can almost 100% be sure the J-35 will be a refined FC-31V2 with no enlargements to a heavy weight fighter, it will never ever use WS-10C or WS-15 and won't ever have a weapons bay similar or even larger than the J-20. Period.
As such do us a favour ans stop with these speculations there will be a hyper-mega-super enlarged FC-31 now called J-35 powered by WS-10C and in the class of the J-20. Simpy forget it. If you want to continue with this then start a new thread but here I will delete all further replies into such speculations.
End of this debate.
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Apologise in advance. (Below comments are on a lighter note. Don't take it on heart).
Sometimes I feel if you simply ignored few posts (even if they are wrong), can save long debate of many pages. Some people simply loves to poke you.
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Translation from French:-
This time, the Chinese army's (PLAAF) cockade (roundel) is indeed present, but only on a mock-up.
Still no formal confirmation despite a lot of hallway noises (rumours) ...
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Photos spark talk of 2nd stealth fighter’s PLA commissioning
By Liu Xuanzun Source:Global Times Published: 2020/5/7 20:08:52
A model of an FC-31 fighter jet is displayed at Airshow China 2018 in Zhuhai, South China's Guangdong Province. Photo: Yang Sheng/GT
The maker of the FC-31, China's second stealth fighter jet following the J-20, recently revealed photos of a scale model of the aircraft painted with the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) insignia, a move military observers said suggested the warplane might join PLA service, despite being a made-for-export model.
State-owned Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) Shenyang Aircraft Design and Research Institute recently released photos of a scale model of the FC-31 painted with the August 1st Insignia of the PLA, reported Weihutang, a column on military affairs affiliated with China Central Television (CCTV), on Wednesday.
The model resembled the initial design of the FC-31 rather than the latest, upgraded one. It featured missiles under its wings, an open weapon bay under its belly, and a PLA insignia on a tail fin.
This has again sparked discussions over the warplane's potential commissioning into the PLA, Weihutang reported, noting that other media reports said that the made-for-export FC-31 would eventually enter PLA service.
The future of the aircraft could become clear soon, as China's in-development third aircraft carrier is expected to use a new fighter jet, a military expert who asked not to be named told the Global Times on Thursday.
China's current ship-borne fighter jet, J-15, could face challenges in dealing with the F-35, which is one generation more advanced than the current Chinese jet and has become widely deployed in the Asia-Pacific region by the US and its allies, the expert said.
Long believed to be a candidate to become China's next generation carrier-based fighter jet, the FC-31 is comparable to the F-35. The J-20 and a totally new aircraft are the other candidates.
The FC-31 is a single-seat, twin-engine multi-role fighter jet catering to the demands of future battlefield environments. It's 17.3 meters long and has a wingspan of 11.5 meters, according to an info flyer obtained by the Global Times at Airshow China 2018 in Zhuhai, South China's Guangdong Province.
The FC-31 and J-20 need to be modified if one of them is to board a carrier, the expert said.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1187708.shtml
By Liu Xuanzun Source:Global Times Published: 2020/5/7 20:08:52
A model of an FC-31 fighter jet is displayed at Airshow China 2018 in Zhuhai, South China's Guangdong Province. Photo: Yang Sheng/GT
The maker of the FC-31, China's second stealth fighter jet following the J-20, recently revealed photos of a scale model of the aircraft painted with the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) insignia, a move military observers said suggested the warplane might join PLA service, despite being a made-for-export model.
State-owned Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) Shenyang Aircraft Design and Research Institute recently released photos of a scale model of the FC-31 painted with the August 1st Insignia of the PLA, reported Weihutang, a column on military affairs affiliated with China Central Television (CCTV), on Wednesday.
The model resembled the initial design of the FC-31 rather than the latest, upgraded one. It featured missiles under its wings, an open weapon bay under its belly, and a PLA insignia on a tail fin.
This has again sparked discussions over the warplane's potential commissioning into the PLA, Weihutang reported, noting that other media reports said that the made-for-export FC-31 would eventually enter PLA service.
The future of the aircraft could become clear soon, as China's in-development third aircraft carrier is expected to use a new fighter jet, a military expert who asked not to be named told the Global Times on Thursday.
China's current ship-borne fighter jet, J-15, could face challenges in dealing with the F-35, which is one generation more advanced than the current Chinese jet and has become widely deployed in the Asia-Pacific region by the US and its allies, the expert said.
Long believed to be a candidate to become China's next generation carrier-based fighter jet, the FC-31 is comparable to the F-35. The J-20 and a totally new aircraft are the other candidates.
The FC-31 is a single-seat, twin-engine multi-role fighter jet catering to the demands of future battlefield environments. It's 17.3 meters long and has a wingspan of 11.5 meters, according to an info flyer obtained by the Global Times at Airshow China 2018 in Zhuhai, South China's Guangdong Province.
The FC-31 and J-20 need to be modified if one of them is to board a carrier, the expert said.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1187708.shtml
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