S300 to syria-Israel and russia at crossroads!!Cocktail ready to be served

[xuxu1457]

Kill without lower limit in Syria, http://bbs.tiexue.net/post_6767506_1.html

 

[bdslph]

it is a crazy thing to say that Hezbollah will have S300
it is not a ak47 or rocket that you can piece together and do welding

it is a SAM S300 it is big and bulk

SAA need S300, as may in in near future there is a no fly zone and or protect Syria from outsiders

 

[Aslan]

Assad needs s-300s to prevent NATO from establishing a no fly zone like it did over libya.If he loses his air force his chances go down a lot.

Why dont he just leave, Let someone else take over, and not leave a reason for those opposing him to fight anymore.

 

[Anony]

Saale ye log full scale WAR suru karenge bhi yaa nahi. Saala bahut din ho gya koi WAR nahi dekha.

 

[Aslan]

Kill without lower limit in Syria, http://bbs.tiexue.net/post_6767506_1.html

Very heart breaking unfortunately.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Why dont he just leave, Let someone else take over, and not leave a reason for those opposing him to fight anymore.

POWER is like drug,leaving it behind is difficult.Plus who will shelter him,west against him,middle east against him.
Moreover he is champion of alawi minority,if he falls rebels will massacre alawi community who are die hard assad.

 

[Aslan]

Saale ye log full scale WAR suru karenge bhi yaa nahi. Saala bahut din ho gya koi WAR nahi dekha.

Easy for you to say as your own are not dying, its just a game for you eh. Shameless animal. Didnt a bunch of you die at the hands of the naxlas a week ago. Enjoy that one.

POWER is like drug,leaving it behind is difficult.Plus who will shelter him,west against him,middle east against him.
Moreover he is champion of alawi minority,if he falls rebels will massacre alawi community who are die hard assad.

Well to an extent the Alawites themselves are to blame for the hate they are attracting. And as for asad he could still easily go to Moscow.

 

[xuxu1457]

Very heart breaking unfortunately.

Kill every day in Syria, but no one care, one UK soldier was killed, all the world knew and talked for weeks; Stop war and back to stable is first, more will die as a part kill all another part;
In Syria, every civilian should make self seen more Pleasing to the eye， or you will be killed by man with gun.
http://bbs.tiexue.net/post_6767506_1.html

 

[Aslan]

Kill every day in Syria, but no one care, one UK soldier was killed, all the world knew and talked for weeks; Stop war and back to stable is first, more will die as a part kill all another part;
In Syria, every civilian should make self seen more Pleasing to the eye， or you will be killed by man with gun.
http://bbs.tiexue.net/post_6767506_1.html

Europes history is full of such crimes, they impose all these things on us just to get what they want, who can forget the opium wars. But still we have politicians who so willingly bend over backwards just to please their masters.

 

[Anony]

The education parted in your country does not have place for Sarcasm and Humour. That's why the reaction from you.

Easy for you to say as your own are not dying, its just a game for you eh. Shameless animal. Didnt a bunch of you die at the hands of the naxlas a week ago. Enjoy that one.

And atleast I can play this joke as my countrymen are not dying but what about Pakistan where they ignored claiming the body of their own soldiers died in 1999 Kargil war.Even animals are better than you guys.

 

[Aslan]

The education parted in your country does not have place for Sarcasm and Humour. That's why the reaction from you.



And atleast I can play this joke as my countrymen are not dying but what about Pakistan where they ignored claiming the body of their own soldiers died in 1999 Kargil war.Even animals are better than you guys.

Sarcasm when people are dying, right, may be you need a new brain all together. Now fook off.

 

[Battle of Kursk]

@bdslph

it is a crazy thing to say that Hezbollah will have S300

Why? Hezballah is not your ordinary day to day para military organization, they even say so themselves.
Hezballah got tens of thousands of rockets, an advanced communication system apart from the countries lines (just like armies have). He has used advanced surface-surface and surface-ship missiles in the past. They use UAV's and have an electronically warfare capabilities. they are probably stronger then quite a few third world armies.
Assad has probably already tried to transfer AA missiles to the Hezballah. So I ask again, why are you sure?

SAA need S300, as may in in near future there is a no fly zone and or protect Syria from outsiders

I agree it's unlikely to happen in the near future.

Kill every day in Syria, but no one care, one UK soldier was killed, all the world knew and talked for weeks; Stop war and back to stable is first, more will die as a part kill all another part;
In Syria, every civilian should make self seen more Pleasing to the eye， or you will be killed by man with gun.

I am not sure what made you go on and bring demagogy into the discussion. The reason that the lone British soldier made into the news is because of the political implication. His death had the potential to effect millions of people to one degree or another, while the death of a random Syrian just effects his family. This is the brutal reality.
It's nothing unique to Europe, need I remind you the fuss China and ROC has made over the death of one civilian fishermen? Do you think all those people cared about his life, or the geopolitical implications?

please don't be a hypocrite.

@bdslph

it is a crazy thing to say that Hezbollah will have S300

Why? Hezballah is not your ordinary day to day para military organization, they even say so themselves.
Hezballah got tens of thousands of rockets, an advanced communication system apart from the countries lines (just like armies have). He has used advanced surface-surface and surface-ship missiles in the past. They use UAV's and have an electronically warfare capabilities. they are probably stronger then quite a few third world armies.
Assad has probably already tried to transfer AA missiles to the Hezballah. So I ask again, why are you sure?

SAA need S300, as may in in near future there is a no fly zone and or protect Syria from outsiders

I agree it's unlikely to happen in the near future.
@xuxu1457

Kill every day in Syria, but no one care, one UK soldier was killed, all the world knew and talked for weeks; Stop war and back to stable is first, more will die as a part kill all another part;
In Syria, every civilian should make self seen more Pleasing to the eye， or you will be killed by man with gun.

I am not sure what made you go on and bring demagogy into the discussion. The reason that the lone British soldier made into the news is because of the political implication. His death had the potential to effect millions of people to one degree or another, while the death of a random Syrian just effects his family. This is the brutal reality.
It's nothing unique to Europe, need I remind you the fuss China and ROC has made over the death of one civilian fishermen? Do you think all those people cared about his life, or the geopolitical implications?

please don't be a hypocrite.

 

[maniesf]

Europes history is full of such crimes, they impose all these things on us just to get what they want, who can forget the opium wars. But still we have politicians who so willingly bend over backwards just to please their masters.

Assad says, "Almost 100,000 armed terrorists entered Syria with support of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey,"
but i believe the EU and US are behind the unrest in Syria. Saudi, Qatar or Turkey are only leverages of the west. anyway they had us to kill each other in middle east. bad...

 

[Battle of Kursk]

decent analysis:

Israel could swoop on S-300 missiles in Syria, but with risks

(Reuters) - Israel could overcome advanced S-300 anti-aircraft missiles if they were deployed in Syria but any strikes on the system would be difficult and risk alienating its supplier, Russia.

Israel has pledged to take preventive action, seeing a future Syrian S-300 as a "game-changing" threat to its own airspace as well as to the relative free rein with which it now overflies its northern foe and neighbouring Lebanon.

Experts agree that Israeli sabotage or open force to disrupt delivery by Russia is extremely unlikely - a view seemingly shored up by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's announcement on Thursday that the first missiles had arrived.

That leaves Israel lobbying Moscow to slow down the shipment in hopes it would be overtaken and scrapped if Assad fell to a more than two-year-old rebellion, and in parallel preparing counter-measures to neutralise the S-300 on the ground in Syria.

The Israeli newspaper Haaretz quoted National Security Adviser Yaakov Amidror as warning European diplomats that Israel would "prevent the S-300 missiles from becoming operational". That may be achieved by ensuring Assad does not get the full system, experts say, or by disabling it militarily if he does.

"The S-300 would be the pinnacle of Russian-supplied arms for Syria," Colonel Zvika Haimovich, a senior Israeli air force officer, told Reuters in an interview. "Though it would impinge on our operations, we are capable of overcoming it.

He said Israel's "red line" on the S-300 was "between Syria and others". This was a hint Israel might hold off on bombing the batteries as long they did not appear set on shooting down planes within Israeli airspace, of being transferred to Lebanese Hezbollah guerrillas or to Iran - both staunch allies of Assad and enemies of Israel, or of being looted by Islamist rebels.

MARKETING MOSCOW

The Israelis excel in electronic warfare. In 1982, they "blinded" Soviet-supplied Syrian anti-aircraft units in Lebanon, then destroyed 19 of them without Israeli losses. Similar technologies helped Israeli jets destroy a suspected nuclear reactor in Syria in 2007 and, this year, to hit Syrian targets on at least three occasions to prevent what intelligence sources called attempts to move advanced weaponry to Hezbollah.

A source close to Russia's defence ministry agreed that the Israelis "likely have a million ways to combat the S-300 electronically". But he questioned their feasibility because they had not been tested in war.

"So, whether the S-300 would fail or not cannot be known".

Robert Hewson, an IHS Jane's air power analyst, predicted Israeli prowess would prevail in Syria while cautioning that the S-300 would be the most formidable air defence system it had ever faced. "Israel has had nasty surprises from these things before," he said, noting its steep losses to the Soviet anti-aircraft missiles used by Syria and Egypt in the 1973 war.

Hewson felt Israel would prefer to destroy the S-300 in Syria but may opt instead just to circumvent it as required for missions, especially if there was the risk of inadvertently killing or wounding Russians helping to install the system.

Security sources have put the number of Russian military personnel in Syria at several hundred.

"The Russians would react badly to losing their people, and Israel knows that equally," Hewson said.

Former Israeli defence minister Moshe Arens said Moscow should be mindful of the harm that seeing the S-300 defeated in Syria would do to exports of the system elsewhere.

Past clients include Cyprus, whose S-300, posted on the Greek island of Crete, may have given Israel's air force a chance for test runs during manoeuvres over the Mediterranean.

"I'd be very surprised if the Russians deliver this system (to Syria)," Arens told Israel Radio. "It would become apparent that our air force is capable of besting this system, and that would not make for good advertising."

Playing down the strategic challenge that would be posed to Israel by a Syrian S-300, Arens added. "We are not afraid. This would simply change the situation, and we are not interested in the situation being changed to our detriment."

HAZY DEPLOYMENT TIMELINE

The timeline for the anticipated Syrian deployment of the S-300 remains hazy. Hewson said it could be "up and running within a minimum of a few weeks" once all components were in, and provided qualified Syrian personnel were available.

But the Russian defence ministry source said he knew of no Syrians who had already been trained by Moscow, and put the completion of the S-300 delivery at "six to 12 months from now".

Assuming Assad survives in power, such a lag could provide Israel with thwarting opportunities.

Hewson said the truck-towed S-300 would be physically hard to conceal. Its radar, if activated, would emit a distinctive signal that Israel could easily monitor, he added.

Diplomatic alternatives may not have been exhausted, though.

Yuval Steinitz, a senior member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's cabinet, held on Thursday what political sources described as a discussion of the Syrian S-300 deal with Russian Ambassador Sergei Yakovlev.

In 2010, following Israeli appeals, Russia scrapped an S-300 sale to Iran. In what may have been a quid pro quo, the Israelis also agreed that year to sell Russia surveillance drones that would narrow its technological military gap with rival Georgia.

Russia now has other strategic interests - for example, investment in Israel's Mediterranean gas fields. Silvan Shalom, another Israeli cabinet minister, told Reuters that Russian President Vladimir Putin mentiond the gas fields while hosting Netanyahu in Sochi on May 14 for talks that focused on Syria.

But Zvi Magen, a former Israeli ambassador to Moscow, was sceptical that Israel could offer anything that would spur Putin to slacken his support for Assad. "There's too much at stake here for the Russians," he said.

He was alluding to the conflagration's wider geo-strategic dimensions - pitting a Russian preference to keep Syria under Assad's control to preserve Moscow's last significant toehold in the Middle East against a Western and Gulf Arab desire for the downfall of Assad to roll back Iranian influence in the region.

(Additional reporting by Thomas Grove in Moscow; Editing by Jeffrey Heller and Mark Heinrich)

Israel could swoop on S-300 missiles in Syria, but with risks | Reuters

 

[Albatross]

The first batch of S-300 air defense complexes has arrived in Syria, President Bashar Assad said in an interview to Lebanon Al-Manar. Assad also said that Syrian army is battling up to 100,000 foreign mercenaries.

Assad revealed that the rest of the S-300 complexes previewed by a Russian-Syrian arms contract will be coming soon, reports RT Arabic (Rusiya Al Yaum), which has confirmed details of the exclusive interview to be broadcast on the Lebanese TV channel at 9pm local time (18:00 GMT) Thursday.

The president promised that the Syrian army will “immediately react” of a new Israeli aggression of Syrian soil, recalling recent bombings of military objects inside Syrian territory by the Israeli Air Force.

He noted that “The Syrian government will not interfere if some kind of Syrian group starts a war to liberate the Golan Heights,” occupied by Israel since the 1967 War.

During the interview, Assad confirmed the presence of Hezbollah fighters in Syria on the Lebanese border, but stressed, that “it is the Syrian army, not Hezbollah, battling the groups of armed rebels and will continue to do so until total elimination of the terrorists.”

Assad put blame for financing terrorists on Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, which helped up to 100,000 militants to infiltrate into Syria.

He assured that Damascus will participate in the upcoming conference on Syria in Geneva (Geneva-2), but stressed that there are no expectations of “important decisions” being made there.

On Wednesday Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem told the Lebanese TV channel Al-Mayadeen that in Geneva the Syrian government expects to talk to those members of the opposition which “do not have blood on their hands.”

“We cannot make a peaceful settlement with those who sow terror and violence,” said Muallem, who is expected to head the Syrian delegation in Geneva.

“We’re going [to the Geneva conference] with good intentions and hope to end the conflict. We go to Geneva without preconditions,” Muallem stated.

This contradicts the position of the disintegrated Syrian opposition, which has just failed to reach unity at a summit in Istanbul. In a released statement divided opposition coalition has put forward a condition that, in any case, negotiations with the President Bashar Assad regime must lead to his resignation. Also, the statement says, Syrian opposition will not participate in peace talks "while massacres underway", AP reports.

Muallem also shared that Moscow supplies Damascus only with weapons of defense and pointed out that “those who are afraid of such weapons are actually preparing aggression [against Syria] themselves”.

The news about S-300 systems in Syria comes a mere two days after the EU’s decision to lift an arms embargo on Syria, allowing European countries to ‘fully support’ the rebels fighting against the Assad regime.

Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov lashed at the EU’s move as “an unlawful”.

“This is an unlawful decision, in principle, to discuss seriously on official level the issue of supplying or not supplying arms to non-state actors is contrary to all norms of international law,” Lavrov said earlier.

Germany has become the first among leading European states who decided to stay away from arms supply to the Syrian opposition.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel officially stated on Wednesday that Germany will ''under no circumstances'' send weapons to rebels in Syria.

Also on Wednesday a group of independent UN experts stated that the majority of the Syrian rebel militants do not fight for democracy.

“It was said the rebels were angels, but there is only a minority of fighters with a democratic history who believe in the Syrian mosaic and want a state for all,” Paulo Pinheiro, who took part in UN investigation, told reporters.

"The majority of rebels are very far from having democratic thoughts and have other aspirations,” Pinheiro concluded.

First S-300 air defense systems already in Syria ? Assad ? RT News