S.Korean Government Under Pressure To Restart KF-X Fighter Program From Scratch

[Nike]

If it wasn't due to bad history between China/South Korea with Japan and we cooperate like the way how European countries work together on certain defense projects, we can certainly build superb state of the art stuffs. The collaboration could extend to space projects as well, guess we are not gonna see this happening.

It just my suggestion, you all should let it go, the current and future generation of Japan-China-South Korea people is had nothing to with the mistakes of their predecessor. I hope, two or three generation ahead you all can achieve what today European can do, working together and evict US influence from this side of continent.

 

[sharma1111]

India is superior in the field of rocket and Korea is superior is superior in the field of aircraft .

You two are really good couple.

south korea had an advantage of MTCR Membership where it could source most of tech from west.
India turned into dumping ground for russian fighter jet.

@faithfulguy
I cant comment on Indonesia but India is surely next to Israel,China, Japan, Korea

Indian projects are slow bcoz of public sector participation. HAL has let us down while DRDO is doing fine.
HAL is merely an integrator of sub-system. If Korean companies partner with India then Tata aerospace will be core integrator from India


Most of the private sectors who develop products using IP from DRDO have managed to build them pretty fast.
India, Indonesia & south korea are perfect candidate for joint venture on 5th Gen fighter project.

 

[jung41]

South korea and India could partner together and develop the 5th gen fighter jet. both countries are at par in terms of aerospace technology.

very wisely said @sharma1111

 

[tranquilium]

How about India and South korea co-operating on 5th gen fighter development.

Both countries are more or less on same level in aerospace

Without getting into the part about "on same level in aerospace", India would insist such development to be done on Indian soil and the project will probably be contracted to HAL. Seeing the development rate and quality of HAL's past records, South Korea will be very reluctant to such a deal.

 

[Nike]

south korea had an advantage of MTCR Membership where it could source most of tech from west.
India turned into dumping ground for russian fighter jet.

@faithfulguy
I cant comment on Indonesia but India is surely next to Israel,China, Japan, Korea

Indian projects are slow bcoz of public sector participation. HAL has let us down while DRDO is doing fine.
HAL is merely an integrator of sub-system. If Korean companies partner with India then Tata aerospace will be core integrator from India


Most of the private sectors who develop products using IP from DRDO have managed to build them pretty fast.
India, Indonesia & south korea are perfect candidate for joint venture on 5th Gen fighter project.

for the bold part. not really sure, seriously. It is all will be back to Industrial capacity and R&D output per-said country compared to their total population and whole GDP.


Meanwhile, this KFX/IFX it's not your true stealth fighter from the beginning. Korean is just merely want to have their own indigenous design fighter, free of other countries design patent in which will hampered their potential export of sophisticated system such as fighter. They have put several benchmark for their fighter, the end result this fighter will have a better competitive edge against the most advanced current 4,5 generation fighter like (F-16 Viper, Su-35, Eurofighter Typhoon, Rafale, F-15 SK), meanwhile lacking in several factor of 5 gen fighter (like Radar Absorbing material), Internal Weapon Bay, sophisticated data-link system and such stuff.

So this is not 5th generation fighter project from the beginning, and we Indonesian know that from the beginning.

 

[Kyle Sun]

south korea had an advantage of MTCR Membership where it could source most of tech from west.
India turned into dumping ground for russian fighter jet.

System integration is not an easy job.
IMHO to some extent system integration is much more complicated.
IIndia should try to develop a system like jet or tank which has realistic performance index and help india to build a mature and capable team .

 

[Indika]

I don't think S Korea do not want to spend 30 years to develop a plane. Ivan imaging India is asked to flip the check and than go stand in the corner and not touch anything until the work is done.

Its absolutely naive to think india worked on the LCA project consistently for the 30 years. It was the missile program which got more funding,focus and attention. LCA has been scratchy at the best. During the economic downturn of 1985-1996 the project was present only for name sake. Lack of funding on R&D and no support from local industry stymied its progress.

 

[sharma1111]

System integration is not an easy job.
IMHO to some extent system integration is much more complicated.
IIndia should try to develop a system like jet or tank which has realistic performance index and help india to build a mature and capable team .

Indian private sector company could have done better job but we are stuck with lackadaisical corrupt inefficient public sector
Tata aerospace is coming up with many joint venture of US, airbus.
I see them emerge as India's top aerospace manufacturing company

India is very much done with Tejas.Even though it only contains 40% of indian components but we aim to make it 60-70% indigenous in next 5 yrs. Radar & missiles will be completely indigenous before 2020.
India will have 90 KN turbofan by 2020. The last version of proptype engine produced 79 KN in 2014

Indian tanks lack the engine. Recently we have managed to make armored with composite tech.
Titanoum Barrel and local turret is also manufactured.

Some private sector companies are going to replace sick public sector enterprise.

 

[Indos]

Not beginning from the scratch of course as we have already made and choose the design. What it means is just blocking Lockheed Martin on the program if they dont give any big contribution at all and use the money from South Korea F 35 acquisition for KFX/IFX project.

South Korea and Indonesia has already made the decision to go to the next level which is detail design and others. Avionics development has been undergone long time and SK now seems to be quite confidence with their AESA development and others.

SK only not sure about US contribution on the program and how US can scrap the TOT deal after F 35 deal (which is chosen due to the TOT need for KFX)

It is a good thing though not to use US technology so we dont have to limit our export sale, look at how US limit SK T 50 planes export into Azerbaijan, this create concern on KFX program.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Without getting into the part about "on same level in aerospace", India would insist such development to be done on Indian soil and the project will probably be contracted to HAL. Seeing the development rate and quality of HAL's past records, South Korea will be very reluctant to such a deal.

They are relaxing those rules. Now big private firms are entering this sector in India, TATAs, Mahindras, Reliance, among others. S. Koreans have already entered the Indian defence sector, the K9 Thunder they recently won in pushing through, will be built by L&T and their anti aircraft tracked platform is in partnership with TATA, not by state owned OFB. Also, Dassault isnt handcuffed to HAL anymore, if they plan to build a facility in India, it will be with Reliance(like they wanted from the beginning), not in association with HAL.The defence and aerospace sector in India at the moment is liberalizing.

 

[Jlaw]

Sometimes i am got wonder, what kind of products and technologies if South Korean, China and Japan cooperate together to make something, say in term of Warships, Fighter Aircraft, Heavy Bomber, Ground Radar Interceptor, Missile Technologies.

Three of them had almost same culture, strict timelines to do any projects, high level of understanding, capability to do invention and problem solving.....

If the three were in good terms, the west would not have transfer tech to SK and Japan. In a way, their military would be much worse than it is now.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

for the bold part. not really sure, seriously. It is all will be back to Industrial capacity and R&D output per-said country compared to their total population and whole GDP.


Meanwhile, this KFX/IFX it's not your true stealth fighter from the beginning. Korean is just merely want to have their own indigenous design fighter, free of other countries design patent in which will hampered their potential export of sophisticated system such as fighter. They have put several benchmark for their fighter, the end result this fighter will have a better competitive edge against the most advanced current 4,5 generation fighter like (F-16 Viper, Su-35, Eurofighter Typhoon, Rafale, F-15 SK), meanwhile lacking in several factor of 5 gen fighter (like Radar Absorbing material), Internal Weapon Bay, sophisticated data-link system and such stuff.

So this is not 5th generation fighter project from the beginning, and we Indonesian know that from the beginning.

South Korea doesn't have any capability to build a 5th gen fighter from both political and technical perspective.

There is only one remaining option for them; it is to buy the F-35.

As for Indonesia, you can either buy the F-35, the PAK FA, or the J-31.

If the three were in good terms, the west would not have transfer tech to SK and Japan. In a way, their military would be much worse than it is now.

China can fly with the Taihang engine, but what Japan and SK can fly with?

 

[Aepsilons]

If it wasn't due to bad history between China/South Korea with Japan and we cooperate like the way how European countries work together on certain defense projects, we can certainly build superb state of the art stuffs. The collaboration could extend to space projects as well, guess we are not gonna see this happening.

Hahahaha, sure.