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Every nation has weak and strong points , but Saudis as nation are emerging again as they emerged and defeated Roman and Persian empires.

They have potential and they are moving in right direction , last year they purchased GE plastic and this trend will continue , best human brain they can buy and utlize for the development of nation.

There is possibility all world and US major companies owned by saudis and qatari,emrati shieks in next few years:woot::D

They have more then 3 trillion USD reserve in world bank and IMF ,which 30% of US total GDP and 300 Trillion Barel oil reserve only in Saudia.

Saudi's buy and sell corporations all the time. They are basically one big corporation. they do it for one reason. Profit!
 
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Fundamentalist, I have been monitoring your posts for quite some time now and have concluded that you are incredibly ignorant. Not only are you ignorant, but arrogant - and this is a nauseating combination.

Saudi Arabia is a nation ruled by khusray (transsexuals), their whole system is formulated around the dominion of the Royal Family, who sell themselves like prostitutes to the global ruling elite.

They have no respect for the Ummah and are in fact a major cause of friction in the ummah. In fact, they have no respect for Islamic heritage which is why they demolished historical places of Islamic significance such as homes belonging to the sahaba (RA) and ahul bait (AS).
 
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Fundamentalist, I have been monitoring your posts for quite some time now and have concluded that you are incredibly ignorant. Not only are you ignorant, but arrogant - and this is a nauseating combination.

Saudi Arabia is a nation ruled by khusray (transsexuals), their whole system is formulated around the dominion of the Royal Family, who sell themselves like prostitutes to the global ruling elite.

They have no respect for the Ummah and are in fact a major cause of friction in the ummah. In fact, they have no respect for Islamic heritage which is why they demolished historical places of Islamic significance such as homes belonging to the sahaba (RA) and ahul bait (AS).

Your analysis is based on hatred and anger which may cause mental breakdown.

So better avoid it and think with positive mind set , if you have differences better give your opinion with valid suporting links .

Many non muslim also reading our post what impression you want to give them that muslim ummah is divided and their is hatred among them and they are involved in sectarian hatred.

As far as saudi royal family is concerned , they belong Hazrat Ismail AS, we should respect them due to this link.

Your information about distruction of places of historic importance is wrong , you can visit them if you want any time .

So better think twice before putiing any tuhmat or buhtan on any body .

thanks
 
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Saudi's buy and sell corporations all the time. They are basically one big corporation. they do it for one reason. Profit!

Your claim is not right .

Eight countries have seats as of right at the IMF: The US, UK, France, Germany, Japan, China, Saudi Arabia and Russia.
 
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Many non muslim also reading our post what impression you want to give them that muslim ummah is divided and their is hatred among them and they are involved in sectarian hatred.

Are you blind?

The Ummah IS divided, it's not an "impression" but a reality that you will have to embrace unless you wish to remain in fairy-land.
 
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Are you blind?

The Ummah IS divided, it's not an "impression" but a reality that you will have to embrace unless you wish to remain in fairy-land.

Real blindness is blindness of heart

I dont think ummah is divided , it was one ummah and remain .
 
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Fundamentalist;539001]Ignorance is blessing

Indeed it is

Can you tell us what is percentage of total fuel consumed by cars? :undecided:

According to manufacturer General Motors (GM), the new vehicle, which is scheduled to roll out of US showrooms in 2011, is capable of travelling 40 miles on electricity from a single battery charge.

This figure can be extended to 300 miles with the use of the vehicle's flex fuel-powered engine, although it is intended that many people will be able to run the Volt purely off of electricity.

"From the data we've seen, many Chevy Volt drivers may be able to be in pure electric mode on a daily basis without having to use any gas," said GM chief executive Fritz Henderson.

DOD=Department of defencefigures on U.S. military oil consumption based mostly on official statistics.[1] If you want to reproduce them make sure you read every footnote even if you need to put on your glasses. Also read the footnotes in this article.

FACT 1: The DoD's total primary energy consumption in Fiscal Year 2006 was 1100 trillion Btu. It corresponds to only 1% of total energy consumption in USA. For those of you who think that this is not much then read the next sentence.

Nigeria, with a population of more than 140 million, consumes as much energy as the U.S. military.

The DoD per capita[2] energy consumption (524 trillion Btu) is 10 times more than per capita energy consumption in China, or 30 times more than that of Africa.

Total final energy consumption (called site delivered energy by DoD) of the DoD was 844 trillion Btu in FY2006.

FACT 2: Defense Energy Support Center (DESC) sold $13 billion of energy to DoD services in FY2006. More than half of it was to Air Force.

FACT 3: Oil accounts for more than three-fourths of DoD's total site delivered energy consumption. Oil is followed by electricity (slightly more than 10%) and natural gas (nearly 10%). In terms of fuel types, jet fuel (JP-8)[3] accounts for more than 50% of total DoD energy consumption, and nearly 60% of its mobility[4] fuel.

The good news is that between 1985 and 2006, DoD's total site delivered energy consumption declined more than 60%. The bad is that the reduction came from the decline in energy consumption in buildings and facilities. Vehicle energy consumption went up. The ugly news is that even though the DoD is proud of having reduced its energy consumption, in fact the main factor behind that reduction was the closure of some military bases, privatization of some of its buildings, and leaving some energy related activities to contractors.

FACT 4: Nearly three quarters of DoD site delivered energy is consumed by vehicles (or for mobility if you like). Only one quarter is consumed in buildings and facilities.[5] And yet all DoD/Federal energy conservation and efficiency efforts, initiatives, directives etc target almost completely buildings (called standard buildings in DoD jargon). Note also that standard buildings account for almost 90% of total buildings and facilities energy consumption.

According to the DoD's Federal Energy Management Report for FY2006, the DoD spent approximately $3.5 billion on facility energy and $16.5 billion on energy for tactical vehicles. To this we should add 238 million spent on non-tactical vehicles.[6] Overall, total actual cost[7] for DoD energy consumption is over $20 billion. By the way, remember that a billion has nine zeros.

According to Pentagon spokesman Chris Isleib a $10 increase per barrel of oil increases Defense Department costs by $1.3 billion per year.

How about the external costs? According to Milton R. Copulos, President of the National Defense Council Foundation, the fixed costs of defending Persian Gulf oil amounts to $137.8 billion annually.[8]

FACT 5: DoD consumed 97 million gasoline gallon equivalent in its non-tactical vehicles and for that it spent 238 million dollars. DoD's total worldwide non-tactical fleet[9] inventory includes 187,493 vehicles. Of that amount, 13% is located abroad.

FACT 6: The U.S. military consumed almost 180 million barrels (or 490 thousand barrels per day) of oil in 1985 worldwide. In 2006, its oil consumption was down to 117 million barrels (or 320 thousand barrels per day),[10] despite increasing activity in Iraq and Afghanistan.


FACT 7: If FACT 6 is true, then how can we explain the discrepancy between what DESC sold to DoD and what DoD reported as consumed? More or less, one is sales of oil and the other is consumption of what is delivered. So, the difference is stock changes? If that were the case then where the DoD stocked more than 15 million barrels of oil in 2002, 2003 and 2006? Or maybe some oil consumed overseas is underreported?[11]

In 2006, for example, DESC reports in its Factbook that it sold 131 million barrels of oil (or 358 kbd) to DoD but DoD Federal Energy Management Report states that DoD consumed 117 million barrels (or 320 kbd).[12]

FACT 8: According to 2007 CIA World Fact Book there are only 35 countries in the world consuming more oil than DoD. Guess how many countries consume more oil per capita than the DoD? Only three.[13]

FACT 9: How much oil does the U.S. military consume abroad? There exist no official estimates. Let me know if you see or hear one. According to my most pessimist estimates it is about 150 thousand barrels per day. Note that in this estimate I take DESC sales figures as granted.

However, keep in mind that official figures for U.S. military oil consumption do not take into account of unpaid oil.

FACT 10: Whatever the true figure oil consumed by the U.S. military does not show up in world oil demand. See for more explanation under item #425 in October 2004 issue of ASPO Newsletter.

FACT 11: Since the military's war machines burns fuel at such intense rates, it becomes impractical to talk about consumption in miles per gallon. That is why fuel use in military applications is shown in "gallons-per-mile," "gallons-per-hour," and "barrels-per-hour."

Here are some examples: Flying gas-guzzling bomber B-52 burns about 3300 gallon per hour, flying gas stations KC-135 and KC-10 (aerial refueling tankers) burn on average 2650 and 2070 gallons per hour respectively. Famous F-15 and F-16 fighter aircrafts burn about 1580 and 800 gallons per hour respectively.

Armored vehicles have very low fuel efficiency. For instance the Abrams tank can travel less than 0.6 mile per gallon of fuel, and Bradley fighting vehicle less than 2 miles on a gallon of fuel.

High Mobility Multi-purpose Wheeled Vehicle (often called Humvee in military circles), which replaced World war II ear Jeep two decades ago, gets as few as 4 miles per gallon in city driving and 8 miles per gallon on the highway. In comparison, Ford's Model T got 25 miles per gallon, and today a Ford Explorer gets 18 miles per gallon.

FACT 12: In 2006 Air Force consumed around 2.6 billion gallons of jet-fuel which is the same amount of fuel U.S. airplanes consumed during WWII (between December 1941 and August 1945).

FACT 13: American GI is the most energy-consuming soldier ever seen on the field of war.

In May 2005 issue of The Atlantic Monthly, Robert Bryce stated that "The Third Army (of General Patton) had about 400,000 men and used about 400,000 gallons of gasoline a day." This makes one gallon per day per soldier.

According to my calculations (based on officially deployed troops number and oil consumption statistics) this amount went up to 9 gallons per day per deployed soldier in Vietnam War,[14] to nearly 10 gallons per day per deployed soldier in Operation Desert Shield/Storm (Gulf War),[15] and to 15 gallons per day per deployed soldier in January 2007.[16] I admit that this kind of calculation is not appropriate since troop levels vary in time.[17]

FACT 14: Delivering fuel to consumers is not limited to logistics pains.

Over 70 percent of the tonnage required to position today's U.S. Army into battle is fuel. The Air Force spends approximately 85 percent of its fuel budget to deliver, by airborne tankers, just 6 percent of its annual jet fuel usage." [18]

Of the top 10 battlefield guzzlers in the U.S. Army, only 2 are combat vehicles (the Abrams tank and the Apache helicopter). The other eight carry fuel and supplies. Over half of the fuel transported to the battlefield is consumed by support vehicles, not vehicles engaged in frontline combat. The logistics costs to deliver fuel include people, training, platforms (for example, oilers, trucks, and tanker aircraft), and other hardware and infrastructure. Those costs can be tens and sometimes hundreds of times the cost of the fuel itself, depending on how it is delivered.[19]

The Army has 40,000 troops involved in either the distribution or movement of energy.[20]


S2 is a retired soldier , dont have idea how the economic engines are running

Last i checked American economy is the largest in the world iam pretty sure Americans no what they are doing oh and they are the largest importers of oil 2.

You missed what i said by miles :toast_sign::lol:
 
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Your analysis is based on hatred and anger which may cause mental breakdown.

So better avoid it and think with positive mind set , if you have differences better give your opinion with valid suporting links .

Many non muslim also reading our post what impression you want to give them that muslim ummah is divided and their is hatred among them and they are involved in sectarian hatred.

As far as saudi royal family is concerned , they belong Hazrat Ismail AS, we should respect them due to this link.

Your information about distruction of places of historic importance is wrong , you can visit them if you want any time .

So better think twice before putiing any tuhmat or buhtan on any body .

thanks

Bro,

Saudis did destroy most of the old buildings which were revered by Muslims.
I think they went overboard in their claim of purging Muslims of biddat, the teachings of the founder of Wahabism are a bit too harsh though in spirit they were reformist but in practice the founder and all his disciples adopted a harsh and punitive approach.

See, i do not believe in asking favors from buried Sahaba or Saints...however i too would like to have seen their homes and other things in good condition as part of my heritage in being a Muslim.

Nearly all the houses have been destroyed in Mecca and the Prophet's (PBUH) house near Khana Kaaba is actually preserved as a library and that fools a lot of people who do not know whether it is indeed the Prophet's (PBUH) house or not.

You should remember that Wahabi number 1 started his religious purification by leveling the tomb of Hazrat Zaid bin Al Khattab (RA) who was the brother of Umar bin Al Khattab (RA) and a very renowned Muslim warrior and commander.
Zaid (RA) was martyred in the apostate wars while fighting most heroically and dispatching many famous enemy champions to hell.
His grave was dug near the battlefield and was visited by people from all around.
Thanks to Muhammad bin Al Abdal Wahab, this grave was leveled in the 18th Century since according to him it had become a place of shirk...leveling the graves of such great men is probably not something i can ever stomach even though i am against doing anything at a grave except praying for the departed soul...still i cannot accept the action which Muhammad bin Al Abdal Wahab justified.
Reform is needed in the ranks of Muslims but an iron fist cannot lead to a lasting reform and this is where i think that Wahabis went overboard...
Anyways this time around when i visited Saudi Arabia i found them more gentler...nature has a way of making man come back to the middle ground.
No more do you see the Muttawas approaching the women and threatening them...they have become toned down.

My apologies to all for derailing the thread.

Coming back to topic, Saudis are improving but unlike Pakistan or Turkey which have a strong military traditions, the Saudis do not have the willing manpower to make them a superpower yet.
They have the cash but the human resource is not there.

I know they are planning on industrial cities and even work has commenced...but their policies towards immigrant workers are extremely poor...
Unlike the west, the Saudi system is too unfriendly for a struggling laborer who has come through a sponsor...the sponsor sucks the life out of the immigrant worker who cannot really do anything legally for fear of cancellation of sponsorship.
Now they have made the health insurance mandatory which means a huge amount for aged laborers and their sponsors will not pay this amount so it means that the poor laborers will really earn peanuts...

Until Saudi Arabia becomes friendly towards the immigrants who have made Saudi Arabia...it shall find itself not as a superpower but a very shallow society which will not attract the workers, technicians and the craftsmen upon which any advanced country banks on...

The present government is trying to change things but i think they need to do it quickly, otherwise no amount of money in the world will help them.
 
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Indeed it is



According to manufacturer General Motors (GM), the new vehicle, which is scheduled to roll out of US showrooms in 2011, is capable of travelling 40 miles on electricity from a single battery charge.

This figure can be extended to 300 miles with the use of the vehicle's flex fuel-powered engine, although it is intended that many people will be able to run the Volt purely off of electricity.

"From the data we've seen, many Chevy Volt drivers may be able to be in pure electric mode on a daily basis without having to use any gas," said GM chief executive Fritz Henderson.

DOD=Department of defencefigures on U.S. military oil consumption based mostly on official statistics.[1] If you want to reproduce them make sure you read every footnote even if you need to put on your glasses. Also read the footnotes in this article.

FACT 1: The DoD's total primary energy consumption in Fiscal Year 2006 was 1100 trillion Btu. It corresponds to only 1% of total energy consumption in USA. For those of you who think that this is not much then read the next sentence.

Nigeria, with a population of more than 140 million, consumes as much energy as the U.S. military.

The DoD per capita[2] energy consumption (524 trillion Btu) is 10 times more than per capita energy consumption in China, or 30 times more than that of Africa.

Total final energy consumption (called site delivered energy by DoD) of the DoD was 844 trillion Btu in FY2006.

FACT 2: Defense Energy Support Center (DESC) sold $13 billion of energy to DoD services in FY2006. More than half of it was to Air Force.

FACT 3: Oil accounts for more than three-fourths of DoD's total site delivered energy consumption. Oil is followed by electricity (slightly more than 10%) and natural gas (nearly 10%). In terms of fuel types, jet fuel (JP-8)[3] accounts for more than 50% of total DoD energy consumption, and nearly 60% of its mobility[4] fuel.

The good news is that between 1985 and 2006, DoD's total site delivered energy consumption declined more than 60%. The bad is that the reduction came from the decline in energy consumption in buildings and facilities. Vehicle energy consumption went up. The ugly news is that even though the DoD is proud of having reduced its energy consumption, in fact the main factor behind that reduction was the closure of some military bases, privatization of some of its buildings, and leaving some energy related activities to contractors.

FACT 4: Nearly three quarters of DoD site delivered energy is consumed by vehicles (or for mobility if you like). Only one quarter is consumed in buildings and facilities.[5] And yet all DoD/Federal energy conservation and efficiency efforts, initiatives, directives etc target almost completely buildings (called standard buildings in DoD jargon). Note also that standard buildings account for almost 90% of total buildings and facilities energy consumption.

According to the DoD's Federal Energy Management Report for FY2006, the DoD spent approximately $3.5 billion on facility energy and $16.5 billion on energy for tactical vehicles. To this we should add 238 million spent on non-tactical vehicles.[6] Overall, total actual cost[7] for DoD energy consumption is over $20 billion. By the way, remember that a billion has nine zeros.

According to Pentagon spokesman Chris Isleib a $10 increase per barrel of oil increases Defense Department costs by $1.3 billion per year.

How about the external costs? According to Milton R. Copulos, President of the National Defense Council Foundation, the fixed costs of defending Persian Gulf oil amounts to $137.8 billion annually.[8]

FACT 5: DoD consumed 97 million gasoline gallon equivalent in its non-tactical vehicles and for that it spent 238 million dollars. DoD's total worldwide non-tactical fleet[9] inventory includes 187,493 vehicles. Of that amount, 13% is located abroad.

FACT 6: The U.S. military consumed almost 180 million barrels (or 490 thousand barrels per day) of oil in 1985 worldwide. In 2006, its oil consumption was down to 117 million barrels (or 320 thousand barrels per day),[10] despite increasing activity in Iraq and Afghanistan.


FACT 7: If FACT 6 is true, then how can we explain the discrepancy between what DESC sold to DoD and what DoD reported as consumed? More or less, one is sales of oil and the other is consumption of what is delivered. So, the difference is stock changes? If that were the case then where the DoD stocked more than 15 million barrels of oil in 2002, 2003 and 2006? Or maybe some oil consumed overseas is underreported?[11]

In 2006, for example, DESC reports in its Factbook that it sold 131 million barrels of oil (or 358 kbd) to DoD but DoD Federal Energy Management Report states that DoD consumed 117 million barrels (or 320 kbd).[12]

FACT 8: According to 2007 CIA World Fact Book there are only 35 countries in the world consuming more oil than DoD. Guess how many countries consume more oil per capita than the DoD? Only three.[13]

FACT 9: How much oil does the U.S. military consume abroad? There exist no official estimates. Let me know if you see or hear one. According to my most pessimist estimates it is about 150 thousand barrels per day. Note that in this estimate I take DESC sales figures as granted.

However, keep in mind that official figures for U.S. military oil consumption do not take into account of unpaid oil.

FACT 10: Whatever the true figure oil consumed by the U.S. military does not show up in world oil demand. See for more explanation under item #425 in October 2004 issue of ASPO Newsletter.

FACT 11: Since the military's war machines burns fuel at such intense rates, it becomes impractical to talk about consumption in miles per gallon. That is why fuel use in military applications is shown in "gallons-per-mile," "gallons-per-hour," and "barrels-per-hour."

Here are some examples: Flying gas-guzzling bomber B-52 burns about 3300 gallon per hour, flying gas stations KC-135 and KC-10 (aerial refueling tankers) burn on average 2650 and 2070 gallons per hour respectively. Famous F-15 and F-16 fighter aircrafts burn about 1580 and 800 gallons per hour respectively.

Armored vehicles have very low fuel efficiency. For instance the Abrams tank can travel less than 0.6 mile per gallon of fuel, and Bradley fighting vehicle less than 2 miles on a gallon of fuel.

High Mobility Multi-purpose Wheeled Vehicle (often called Humvee in military circles), which replaced World war II ear Jeep two decades ago, gets as few as 4 miles per gallon in city driving and 8 miles per gallon on the highway. In comparison, Ford's Model T got 25 miles per gallon, and today a Ford Explorer gets 18 miles per gallon.

FACT 12: In 2006 Air Force consumed around 2.6 billion gallons of jet-fuel which is the same amount of fuel U.S. airplanes consumed during WWII (between December 1941 and August 1945).

FACT 13: American GI is the most energy-consuming soldier ever seen on the field of war.

In May 2005 issue of The Atlantic Monthly, Robert Bryce stated that "The Third Army (of General Patton) had about 400,000 men and used about 400,000 gallons of gasoline a day." This makes one gallon per day per soldier.

According to my calculations (based on officially deployed troops number and oil consumption statistics) this amount went up to 9 gallons per day per deployed soldier in Vietnam War,[14] to nearly 10 gallons per day per deployed soldier in Operation Desert Shield/Storm (Gulf War),[15] and to 15 gallons per day per deployed soldier in January 2007.[16] I admit that this kind of calculation is not appropriate since troop levels vary in time.[17]

FACT 14: Delivering fuel to consumers is not limited to logistics pains.

Over 70 percent of the tonnage required to position today's U.S. Army into battle is fuel. The Air Force spends approximately 85 percent of its fuel budget to deliver, by airborne tankers, just 6 percent of its annual jet fuel usage." [18]

Of the top 10 battlefield guzzlers in the U.S. Army, only 2 are combat vehicles (the Abrams tank and the Apache helicopter). The other eight carry fuel and supplies. Over half of the fuel transported to the battlefield is consumed by support vehicles, not vehicles engaged in frontline combat. The logistics costs to deliver fuel include people, training, platforms (for example, oilers, trucks, and tanker aircraft), and other hardware and infrastructure. Those costs can be tens and sometimes hundreds of times the cost of the fuel itself, depending on how it is delivered.[19]

The Army has 40,000 troops involved in either the distribution or movement of energy.[20]




Last i checked American economy is the largest in the world iam pretty sure Americans no what they are doing oh and they are the largest importers of oil 2.

You missed what i said by miles :toast_sign::lol:

Bahans bari hai ya aqal

Bahi cheeta sb,

Electric cars idea is still under experiment stage , higher price of oil is enough for distruction of US economy.

That is reason they are more concerned about secure supply of cheap oil .Reason to attack on Iraq and Afghanistan is not terrorism but oil.
 
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Fundamentalist, I have been monitoring your posts for quite some time now and have concluded that you are incredibly ignorant. Not only are you ignorant, but arrogant - and this is a nauseating combination.

Saudi Arabia is a nation ruled by khusray (transsexuals), their whole system is formulated around the dominion of the Royal Family, who sell themselves like prostitutes to the global ruling elite.

They have no respect for the Ummah and are in fact a major cause of friction in the ummah. In fact, they have no respect for Islamic heritage which is why they demolished historical places of Islamic significance such as homes belonging to the sahaba (RA) and ahul bait (AS).

:tup: Excellent post..Shortly Funadmetalist will say you are a member of Shia Lobby!!Honestly can you expect these people to fight?
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Bro,

Saudis did destroy most of the old buildings which were revered by Muslims.
I think they went overboard in their claim of purging Muslims of biddat, the teachings of the founder of Wahabism are a bit too harsh though in spirit they were reformist but in practice the founder and all his disciples adopted a harsh and punitive approach.

See, i do not believe in asking favors from buried Sahaba or Saints...however i too would like to have seen their homes and other things in good condition as part of my heritage in being a Muslim.

Nearly all the houses have been destroyed in Mecca and the Prophet's (PBUH) house near Khana Kaaba is actually preserved as a library and that fools a lot of people who do not know whether it is indeed the Prophet's (PBUH) house or not.

You should remember that Wahabi number 1 started his religious purification by leveling the tomb of Hazrat Zaid bin Al Khattab (RA) who was the brother of Umar bin Al Khattab (RA) and a very renowned Muslim warrior and commander.
Zaid (RA) was martyred in the apostate wars while fighting most heroically and dispatching many famous enemy champions to hell.
His grave was dug near the battlefield and was visited by people from all around.
Thanks to Muhammad bin Al Abdal Wahab, this grave was leveled in the 18th Century since according to him it had become a place of shirk...leveling the graves of such great men is probably not something i can ever stomach even though i am against doing anything at a grave except praying for the departed soul...still i cannot accept the action which Muhammad bin Al Abdal Wahab justified.
Reform is needed in the ranks of Muslims but an iron fist cannot lead to a lasting reform and this is where i think that Wahabis went overboard...
Anyways this time around when i visited Saudi Arabia i found them more gentler...nature has a way of making man come back to the middle ground.
No more do you see the Muttawas approaching the women and threatening them...they have become toned down.

My apologies to all for derailing the thread.

Coming back to topic, Saudis are improving but unlike Pakistan or Turkey which have a strong military traditions, the Saudis do not have the willing manpower to make them a superpower yet.
They have the cash but the human resource is not there.

I know they are planning on industrial cities and even work has commenced...but their policies towards immigrant workers are extremely poor...
Unlike the west, the Saudi system is too unfriendly for a struggling laborer who has come through a sponsor...the sponsor sucks the life out of the immigrant worker who cannot really do anything legally for fear of cancellation of sponsorship.
Now they have made the health insurance mandatory which means a huge amount for aged laborers and their sponsors will not pay this amount so it means that the poor laborers will really earn peanuts...

Until Saudi Arabia becomes friendly towards the immigrants who have made Saudi Arabia...it shall find itself not as a superpower but a very shallow society which will not attract the workers, technicians and the craftsmen upon which any advanced country banks on...

The present government is trying to change things but i think they need to do it quickly, otherwise no amount of money in the world will help them.

Muslims graves should be made of mud , there is no difference of opinion in majority of fiqa Ulima.They removed all maujawars sitting on shaba graves on basis of islamic principles ,so your point is not valid.

Immigrant are getting salary as per their nationality and contract , Saudi government dont force any body to stay and work .

Development is at slow pace but steady , with in few years GCC countries will be declared as developed nations level. being muslim we should be proud of it.:D
 
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I would rather suppose that this deal has more to do with US defence rather than that of SAudis. In my view Russians must pay a particular heed to this chaotic sale to a country who is a total stranger to them. I think this whole setup is to deliver S-400 system ( which surely is a spook to US ) to Saudis rely on two aspects.
1> To counter persian influence in MiddleEast
2> US may want to get their hands upon this system to study & manufacture countermeasures (which to a are none)

Later thing is of utmost importance because recently some Sukhois did managed to pass on to US via their intel & as far as I remember in Vietnam War air defence systems provided by Soviets resided very close to Soviet boundaries to prevent it being falling in US hands for study purpose
 
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I would rather suppose that this deal has more to do with US defence rather than that of SAudis. In my view Russians must pay a particular heed to this chaotic sale to a country who is a total stranger to them. I think this whole setup is to deliver S-400 system ( which surely is a spook to US ) to Saudis rely on two aspects.
1> To counter persian influence in MiddleEast
2> US may want to get their hands upon this system to study & manufacture countermeasures (which to a are none)

Later thing is of utmost importance because recently some Sukhois did managed to pass on to US via their intel & as far as I remember in Vietnam War air defence systems provided by Soviets resided very close to Soviet boundaries to prevent it being falling in US hands for study purpose
Say what? Viet Nam share a border with Russia?
 
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Development is at slow pace but steady , with in few years GCC countries will be declared as developed nations level. being muslim we should be proud of it.:D

I do not think it necessary to be proud of countries that treat the workers they bring in to contribute towards that development as 'slave labor'.

The Arabs know exactly what they are doing - they take advantage of impoverished nations and their people by paying them peanuts and treating them like animals. The workers still make more than they could at home (after living several dozen to a small room, working the majority of the day and hardly ever seeing the families for whom they toil) and they stay in this miserable existence for the sake of those families.

There is nothing ethical or Islamic in how so many Arabs treat immigrant workers or how the Arab nations turn a blind eye to that treatment.

So many Muslims complain about how the West has stereotyped and discriminated against Muslims - just spend a day with the laborers from Pakistan, Bangladesh and India in the Gulf to see what real discrimination and treatment like slaves is.

The Arabs will get no respect from me for achieving 'developed nation' status, because the mindset of their governments and so many of their citizens remains a xenophobic, racist and medieval one.

When they can recognize the contributions of laborers, who have spent years toiling under the baking sun in miserable working and living conditions to build their palaces and skyscrapers, by protecting their rights and offering a path to citizenship (if desired) then they might start earning some respect.

Anyway - back to topic.
 
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