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The T-14 Armata will kill tanks from three times as far, but does it matter?

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Russia's next-generation main battle tank can fire an anti-tank missile at targets more than seven miles away. That gives the T-14 Armata tank, set to begin testing with the Russian Army in 2019, nearly twice the range of the America's latest version of the venerable Abrams, the M1A2 SEP V3. Whether this extended range is all the useful is another matter.

The T-14 is a formidable-looking beast. Armed with a new 125-millimeter main gun, an unmanned turret, modular armor, and an active protection system designed to shoot down incoming missiles, the vehicle has caused a stir within NATO's tank community. One particularly dangerous feature is the Armata's ability to destroy targets at ranges of up to 12 kilometers, or 7.4 miles.

For years, Russia has armed its tanks with laser-guided missiles that can be fired from the main gun. The first generation missile, the 9M112 Kobra HEAT, was installed on the T-80 tank. Kobra had a range of 4 kilometers, or 2.5 miles, and could penetrate up to 700 millimeters of armor. The current missile, the 9M119 Reflecks, has a range of 3.1 miles and can penetrate up to 900 millimeters of armor. Here's the Reflecks in action:


Armata will initially be armed with an improved version of the Reflecks, the 9M119M1. But a new missile called the 3UBK21 Sprinter is planned, and it's the one with the 7-plus-mile range. Armor penetration is unknown but will likely be at least the equivalent of Reflecks.

By contrast the American M1 Abrams' M256 120-millimeter smoothbore gun has a maximum effective range between 3 km (1.86 miles) and 4 km (2.48 miles). In military parlance, the Armata could very well "out-stick" the M1 by a factor of three, comfortably destroying American tanks before the latter can get within engagement range.

In real-world war situations, though, there are rarely situations where two objects at ground level are visible to one another at seven and a half miles. Hedges, trees, buildings, elevation changes, and other terrain features all conspire to block visibility at ground level. Outside of the plains of Kansas, the Russian steppes, and the Sinai desert, there are seldom places where two objects are visible at even three or four miles.

Even if an Armata does manage to lock onto an Abrams at extreme ranges, the American tank isn't helpless. The Abrams' armor, reinforced with a layer of depleted uranium and now reactive armor, is widely considered the best in the world. Reactive armor is particularly useful against the shaped charge warhead on the Sprinter. Also, the Army is planning to install active protection systems (APS) on the Abrams. An APS upgrade would consist of outward-facing radar antennas scanning for incoming threats in all directions. One detected, APS launches interceptors to and detect and kill incoming rockets and missiles.

One potential scenario that could take full advantage of Sprinter's range is as an anti-air weapon. Sprinter is believed to have an air defense capability as the Russians, and many client states that may wish to buy the Armata are afraid of Western attack helicopters such as the AH-64E Apache Guardian. Fixed-wing aircraft, including drones, are also likely targets. Although Sprinter was conceived as an anti-tank weapon, it might in fact be more useful as an anti-air weapon.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...sias-new-tank-will-out-stick-americas-abrams/
 
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A new missile called the 3UBK21 Sprinter is planned, and it's the one with the 7-plus-mile range. (planned means not quite there yet!)

It would be REAL easy to equip the US tanks with the cannon launched LAHAT missile from Israel.

The LAHAT missile has a range of up to 8,000 m (5.0 mi) when launched from a ground platform, and up to 13,000 m (8.1 mi) when deployed from high elevation.

LAHAT was designed primarily to be fired by Merkava tanks' 105 mm and 120 mm tank guns, though it matches all types of 105 mm and 120 mm guns, including low recoil guns and low-weight guns of military armoured cars. It is also suitable for patrol ships, possibly modified for 105–106 mm recoilless rifles, UAVs, HMMWVs, and SPAAGs. Unlike other tank rounds, LAHAT does not need a tank gun for operation.

The United States military is considering using the LAHAT as a weapon to arm unmanned aerial vehicles. The missile has been tested on the RQ-5 Hunter.
https://i-hls.com/archives/26226
 
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Russia plans to build 100 of its next generation Armata tank
"The designed models are currently undergoing operation testing, Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said, according to TASS, a Russian state-owned media outlet. "We have a contract for 100 units that will be supplied before 2020."

TASS also acknowledged that Moscow previously said it would make 2,300 T-14s by 2020, which The National Interest and other analysts dismissed as "ridiculous," given the high cost of the tank.
http://nordic.businessinsider.com/russia-armata-tank-2017-8?r=US&IR=T
 
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So you agree arjunk is crap
Apparently, just like Al Khalid 1 and 2

As for the 3UBK21 Sprinter... this is a missile that can be used against both MBTs and helicopters: has anybody bothered to check whether the 12km range quote is against MBT or just against air targets?
 
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The T-14 Armata will kill tanks from three times as far, but does it matter?

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Russia's next-generation main battle tank can fire an anti-tank missile at targets more than seven miles away. That gives the T-14 Armata tank, set to begin testing with the Russian Army in 2019, nearly twice the range of the America's latest version of the venerable Abrams, the M1A2 SEP V3. Whether this extended range is all the useful is another matter.

The T-14 is a formidable-looking beast. Armed with a new 125-millimeter main gun, an unmanned turret, modular armor, and an active protection system designed to shoot down incoming missiles, the vehicle has caused a stir within NATO's tank community. One particularly dangerous feature is the Armata's ability to destroy targets at ranges of up to 12 kilometers, or 7.4 miles.

For years, Russia has armed its tanks with laser-guided missiles that can be fired from the main gun. The first generation missile, the 9M112 Kobra HEAT, was installed on the T-80 tank. Kobra had a range of 4 kilometers, or 2.5 miles, and could penetrate up to 700 millimeters of armor. The current missile, the 9M119 Reflecks, has a range of 3.1 miles and can penetrate up to 900 millimeters of armor. Here's the Reflecks in action:


Armata will initially be armed with an improved version of the Reflecks, the 9M119M1. But a new missile called the 3UBK21 Sprinter is planned, and it's the one with the 7-plus-mile range. Armor penetration is unknown but will likely be at least the equivalent of Reflecks.

By contrast the American M1 Abrams' M256 120-millimeter smoothbore gun has a maximum effective range between 3 km (1.86 miles) and 4 km (2.48 miles). In military parlance, the Armata could very well "out-stick" the M1 by a factor of three, comfortably destroying American tanks before the latter can get within engagement range.

In real-world war situations, though, there are rarely situations where two objects at ground level are visible to one another at seven and a half miles. Hedges, trees, buildings, elevation changes, and other terrain features all conspire to block visibility at ground level. Outside of the plains of Kansas, the Russian steppes, and the Sinai desert, there are seldom places where two objects are visible at even three or four miles.

Even if an Armata does manage to lock onto an Abrams at extreme ranges, the American tank isn't helpless. The Abrams' armor, reinforced with a layer of depleted uranium and now reactive armor, is widely considered the best in the world. Reactive armor is particularly useful against the shaped charge warhead on the Sprinter. Also, the Army is planning to install active protection systems (APS) on the Abrams. An APS upgrade would consist of outward-facing radar antennas scanning for incoming threats in all directions. One detected, APS launches interceptors to and detect and kill incoming rockets and missiles.

One potential scenario that could take full advantage of Sprinter's range is as an anti-air weapon. Sprinter is believed to have an air defense capability as the Russians, and many client states that may wish to buy the Armata are afraid of Western attack helicopters such as the AH-64E Apache Guardian. Fixed-wing aircraft, including drones, are also likely targets. Although Sprinter was conceived as an anti-tank weapon, it might in fact be more useful as an anti-air weapon.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...sias-new-tank-will-out-stick-americas-abrams/

I must say that this T-14 Armata tank is one of the most exciting military projects in the entire world right now. If it succeeds, it would be an absolute game changer.

Apparently, just like Al Khalid 1 and 2

As for the 3UBK21 Sprinter... this is a missile that can be used against both MBTs and helicopters: has anybody bothered to check whether the 12km range quote is against MBT or just against air targets?

Unlike the Arjun MBT, the Al-Khalid MBT fleet can actually operate on the Indo-Pak border and is not restricted to photo-op duties in the capital city.
 
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Unlike the Arjun MBT, the Al-Khalid MBT fleet can actually operate on the Indo-Pak border and is not restricted to photo-op duties in the capital city.

I was responding in kind to Snow Lake and Wiseone2. If you feel Al Khakid MBT remains relevant, then by extention so do other MBTs. There is no discussion regarding what is the better tank.
 
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I was responding in kind to Snow Lake and Wiseone2. If you feel Al Khakid MBT remains relevant, then by extention so do other MBTs. There is no discussion regarding what is the better tank.

Of course MBTs remain relevant. This discussion about the obsolescence of MBTs reminds me of the British govt's naive policy in the 1950's, which declared manned military jets as having become irrelevant with the advent of missiles and the scrapping of many advanced British projects such as the TSR2.

Leaving that thing aside, there is absolutely no comparison of the Arjun and the Al-Khalid MBTs, because the Arjun is ridiculously overweight and utterly unreliable, while the Al-Khalid is a functioning weapons system.
 
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Of course MBTs remain relevant. This discussion about the obsolescence of MBTs reminds me of the British govt's naive policy in the 1950's, which declared manned military jets as having become irrelevant with the advent of missiles and the scrapping of many advanced British projects such as the TSR2.

Leaving that thing aside, there is absolutely no comparison of the Arjun and the Al-Khalid MBTs, because the Arjun is ridiculously overweight and utterly unreliable, while the Al-Khalid is a functioning weapons system.
Try not to derail this thread, yes?
 
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Try not to derail this thread, yes?
Apparently, just like Al Khalid 1 and 2

As for the 3UBK21 Sprinter... this is a missile that can be used against both MBTs and helicopters: has anybody bothered to check whether the 12km range quote is against MBT or just against air targets?

I was responding in kind to Snow Lake and Wiseone2. If you feel Al Khakid MBT remains relevant, then by extention so do other MBTs. There is no discussion regarding what is the better tank.
 
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As for the 3UBK21 Sprinter... this is a missile that can be used against both MBTs and helicopters: has anybody bothered to check whether the 12km range quote is against MBT or just against air targets?

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The main gun is the 125mm 2A82-1M smoothbore. It is capable of firing all standard types of ammunition including ATGM giving it a firing range of 8km. Russian media reports that a new Armour-piercing fin-stabilized discarding-sabot (APFSDS) round called Vacuum-1 is being developed for the T-14 as is a new HE-FRAG called Telnik and a new 3UBK21 Sprinter ATGM.
http://tanknutdave.com/armata-t14-main-battle-tank/

Again: is being developed.
 
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A new missile called the 3UBK21 Sprinter is planned, and it's the one with the 7-plus-mile range. (planned means not quite there yet!)

It would be REAL easy to equip the US tanks with the cannon launched LAHAT missile from Israel.

The LAHAT missile has a range of up to 8,000 m (5.0 mi) when launched from a ground platform, and up to 13,000 m (8.1 mi) when deployed from high elevation.

And that's what really makes all these excessive ranges questionable. Effective range of an ATGM that is basically fired at ground level is very limited without a powerful accompanying radar of some sorts. When it comes to tanks, the limits are much more realistic at anywhere from 0 to maybe 3 miles, tops, depending on terrain, of course, since it's all dependent on visual range.
 
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Apparently, just like Al Khalid 1 and 2

As for the 3UBK21 Sprinter... this is a missile that can be used against both MBTs and helicopters: has anybody bothered to check whether the 12km range quote is against MBT or just against air targets?
The T-14 Armata will kill tanks from three times as far
 
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