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Either way, do you believe it's a joke or a serious trade offer? Politicians do make jokes sometimes to break ice, but you brought it up sounding like a real business offer.

I never said it was a real business offer. I think it's disgusting that he repeatedly made the joke thinking it's funny, especially when Henry Kissinger tried to steer the discussion back to the USSR, which reflects how much he values his people. It's not something you joke about.
 
Lmao, says the guy who thinks Nixon is begging to see Mao.

Talk about getting all edgy and sensitive.
What I said is a fact, Nixon himself wanted to risk all to reestablish relationship with China, it can be verified with many sources, while what you were saying is purely trolling.
 
What I said is a fact, Nixon himself wanted to risk all to reestablish relationship with China, it can be verified with many sources, while what you were saying is purely trolling.

The USSR was planning to nuke China and told the US not to intervene, which Nixon did anyway. But this guy is claiming that Nixon is begging to see Mao LOL.


Nixon intervention saved China from Soviet nuclear attack
https://www.scmp.com/article/714064/nixon-intervention-saved-china-soviet-nuclear-attack

Mao Zedong moves to Wuhan , Lin Biao to Suzhou and the general staff to a nuclear bombproof bunker in the western hills outside Beijing. The country's warplanes are scattered around northern China, runways at the main airports blocked and workers given weapons to shoot Soviet airmen when they land.

It is October 1969: China is preparing for a nuclear attack by the Soviet Union. Lin, second to Mao, orders 940,000 soldiers, 4,000 planes and 600 vessels to scatter from their bases and the transfer of major archives from Beijing to the southwest.

Then US president Richard Nixon intervenes. Secretary of state Henry Kissinger tells the Soviet ambassador in Washington that as soon as the Soviets set off their first missile against China, the US will launch nuclear missiles at 130 Soviet cities.

This is the dramatic account in an official magazine of the closest China has come to a nuclear war. The latest issue of Historical Reference, published by the People's Daily, mouthpiece of the Communist Party, describes in detail the five occasions in the post-1949 period when China was threatened by nuclear attack.

It is a rare account by an official publication of the most dangerous moments of the People's Republic.
They are a far cry from the nuclear security summit in mid-April in Washington, where President Hu Jintao was received as an honoured guest and key interlocutor.

Of the five nuclear threats, four came from the United States and one from the Soviet Union.


The most serious came in 1969 after military clashes in March on Zhenbao Island - Damansky in Russian - on the Ussuri River, Heilongjiang , that marks the border in China's northeast. On March 2, Chinese troops ambushed Soviet border guards; they retaliated on March 15 by bombarding Chinese military concentrations and storming the island. According to Chinese figures, 58 Soviets were killed and 97 injured.


The conflict provoked an outpouring of official anger on both sides. In China, 150 million soldiers and civilians took part in anti-Soviet demonstrations; the official press said that it was time to 'defeat the new tsar' and prepared the public for a war, including one with nuclear weapons. It warned that they would kill any foreign troops who encroached on Chinese territory.


The Soviet government organised huge anti-Chinese protests in Moscow; they surrounded the Chinese embassy and burnt cars in front of it. The Soviets moved thousands of troops to its far east and prepared missiles armed with nuclear warheads. It told its allies in eastern Europe that it planned a nuclear attack 'to wipe out the Chinese threat and get rid of this modern adventurer'.

On August 20, the Soviet ambassador in Washington told Kissinger of their plans and asked the US to remain neutral. Wishing to stop the attack, the White House leaked the story to The Washington Post. Its edition of August 28 reported that the Soviet Union planned to launch missiles with hundreds of tonnes of nuclear material on Beijing, Changchun , Anshan and its missile-launch centres of Jinquan, Xichang and Lop Nor.


In late September and October, war fever in China reached its peak. Lin ordered the army to move from its bases and residents of major cities to dig shelters and store food.

In the final step before the attack, Moscow sought the opinion of Washington. Nixon saw the Soviet Union as his main threat and wanted a strong China against it; he feared the effect of a nuclear war on 250,000 US troops in the Asia-Pacific. On October 15, Kissinger told the Soviet ambassador in Washington that the US would not be neutral and would attack Soviet cities in retaliation.

Bluff or not, it worked. 'The Americans betrayed us,' the ambassador said. They called off the attack on October 20 and began negotiations with China in Beijing. The crisis was over.

 
The USSR was planning to nuke China and told the US not to intervene, which Nixon did anyway. But this guy is claiming that Nixon is begging to see Mao LOL.
Nixon initiated this engagement, US can claim anything which China didn't even know, but this guy tries to deny it that it was US came to China in the first place.
 
The USSR was planning to nuke China and told the US not to intervene, which Nixon did anyway. But this guy is claiming that Nixon is begging to see Mao LOL.


Nixon intervention saved China from Soviet nuclear attack
https://www.scmp.com/article/714064/nixon-intervention-saved-china-soviet-nuclear-attack

Mao Zedong moves to Wuhan , Lin Biao to Suzhou and the general staff to a nuclear bombproof bunker in the western hills outside Beijing. The country's warplanes are scattered around northern China, runways at the main airports blocked and workers given weapons to shoot Soviet airmen when they land.

It is October 1969: China is preparing for a nuclear attack by the Soviet Union. Lin, second to Mao, orders 940,000 soldiers, 4,000 planes and 600 vessels to scatter from their bases and the transfer of major archives from Beijing to the southwest.

Then US president Richard Nixon intervenes. Secretary of state Henry Kissinger tells the Soviet ambassador in Washington that as soon as the Soviets set off their first missile against China, the US will launch nuclear missiles at 130 Soviet cities.

This is the dramatic account in an official magazine of the closest China has come to a nuclear war. The latest issue of Historical Reference, published by the People's Daily, mouthpiece of the Communist Party, describes in detail the five occasions in the post-1949 period when China was threatened by nuclear attack.

It is a rare account by an official publication of the most dangerous moments of the People's Republic.
They are a far cry from the nuclear security summit in mid-April in Washington, where President Hu Jintao was received as an honoured guest and key interlocutor.

Of the five nuclear threats, four came from the United States and one from the Soviet Union.


The most serious came in 1969 after military clashes in March on Zhenbao Island - Damansky in Russian - on the Ussuri River, Heilongjiang , that marks the border in China's northeast. On March 2, Chinese troops ambushed Soviet border guards; they retaliated on March 15 by bombarding Chinese military concentrations and storming the island. According to Chinese figures, 58 Soviets were killed and 97 injured.


The conflict provoked an outpouring of official anger on both sides. In China, 150 million soldiers and civilians took part in anti-Soviet demonstrations; the official press said that it was time to 'defeat the new tsar' and prepared the public for a war, including one with nuclear weapons. It warned that they would kill any foreign troops who encroached on Chinese territory.


The Soviet government organised huge anti-Chinese protests in Moscow; they surrounded the Chinese embassy and burnt cars in front of it. The Soviets moved thousands of troops to its far east and prepared missiles armed with nuclear warheads. It told its allies in eastern Europe that it planned a nuclear attack 'to wipe out the Chinese threat and get rid of this modern adventurer'.

On August 20, the Soviet ambassador in Washington told Kissinger of their plans and asked the US to remain neutral. Wishing to stop the attack, the White House leaked the story to The Washington Post. Its edition of August 28 reported that the Soviet Union planned to launch missiles with hundreds of tonnes of nuclear material on Beijing, Changchun , Anshan and its missile-launch centres of Jinquan, Xichang and Lop Nor.


In late September and October, war fever in China reached its peak. Lin ordered the army to move from its bases and residents of major cities to dig shelters and store food.

In the final step before the attack, Moscow sought the opinion of Washington. Nixon saw the Soviet Union as his main threat and wanted a strong China against it; he feared the effect of a nuclear war on 250,000 US troops in the Asia-Pacific. On October 15, Kissinger told the Soviet ambassador in Washington that the US would not be neutral and would attack Soviet cities in retaliation.

Bluff or not, it worked. 'The Americans betrayed us,' the ambassador said. They called off the attack on October 20 and began negotiations with China in Beijing. The crisis was over.


China is not Japan, nuclear attack cannot force Chinese to surrender.
 
Mao once offered to send 10 million Chinese woman to the US. What a mad man. Shows how much he values the lives of his people.

https://www.scmp.com/article/626178/mao-offered-10m-women-trade-us

Oh the Russians gave an even worse story. They said Mao wanted to let US troops come into China and during the battle with Chinese troops he wanted to drop Russian nukes on the battlefield and kill all the soldiers from BOTH sides as it was a loss he was willing to take.

The Russians then really looked at him as if he was completely bonkers.

Tell me who initiated that engagement and who went to visit who? Did Mao or Zhou go to US?
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More likely the reason is China didn’t have access to the technology to fly across the Pacific “safely” back then. I doubt Mao had something like a Boeing 707 jet and he certainly isn’t going to trust the Russians to give him an unrigged military transport plane. No Airbus back then either.

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Nixon’s 707 plane


Hell it’s 2019 and I think even now you don’t have the ability to do so on your own. I keep forgetting how advanced you guys are..
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Xi in a US Boeing 747
 
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China is not Japan, nuclear attack cannot force Chinese to surrender.

Japan thought so too, so the US dropped a second bomb and threatened the third on Tokyo.

Do you think the Soviets would stop? They were planning to nuke Beijing right from the start, and your friend @beijingwalker might not be here today had they succeeded in doing so. It was prevented by the US, and this is acknowledged by your state media.

Why is capitalist America helping China? Why is communist USSR trying to nuke China? How much territory has China lost to the US? How much territory has China lost to Russia?

 
More likely the reason is China didn’t have access to the technology to fly across the Pacific “safely” back then. I doubt Mao had something like a Boeing 707 jet and he certainly isn’t going to trust the Russians to give him an unrigged military transport plane. No Airbus back then either.
That's a crazy claim, you are so brainwashed, China enter UN and UNSC before Nixon's visit to China, we had a whole Chinese delegation there, please grow up and don't sound like 4 years old.
 
Japan thought so too, so the US dropped a second bomb and threatened the third on Tokyo.

Do you think the Soviets would stop? They were planning to nuke Beijing right from the start, and your friend @beijingwalker might not be here today had they succeeded in doing so. It was prevented by the US, and this is acknowledged by your state media.

Why is capitalist America helping China? Why is communist USSR trying to nuke China? How much territory has China lost to the US? How much territory has China lost to Russia?


you are not Chinese but care about China too much.

Actually I don't believe USSR planned to nuke China, there's conflict but no war.

You're stupid and brainwashed by the US. Russia occupied Chinese territory can't proof America is good.
 
That's a crazy claim, you are so brainwashed, China enter UN and UNSC before Nixon's visit to China, we had a whole Chinese delegation there, please grow up and don't sound like 4 years old.

Yeah, and please explain how Mao's delegation to the UN is applicable? How they got there is irrelevant compared to how he needs to get there "safely" and "timely".

When Mao visited Moscow instead of flying he spent 11 days on a train. He took the "safe" way. You think Mao trusts an Ilyushin turboprop to fly across the Pacific? Yeah right!!! You think he is going to waste a month on a boat? Yeah right!!

His only other Russian option was the relatively new Ilyushin IL-62 which had jet engines. Considering you guys were not getting along I'm sure that wasn't even an option.

I'm not brainwashed...you just don't understand logistics. You think Mao could just jump on a passenger jet and fly to the US in 1972.

You can easily today but back then that was an option only a select few countries could do.
 
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Yeah, and please explain how Mao's delegation to the UN is applicable? How they got there is irrelevant compared to how he needs to get there "safely" and "timely".

When Mao visited Moscow instead of flying he spent 11 days on a train. He took the "safe" way. You think Mao trusts an Ilyushin turboprop to fly across the Pacific? Yeah right!!! You think he is going to waste a month on a boat? Yeah right!!

His only other Russian option was the relatively new Ilyushin IL-62 which had jet engines. Considering you guys were not getting along I'm sure that wasn't even an option.

I'm not brainwashed...you just don't understand logistics.
Mao didn't like flying, he had a habit traveling on trains in China, that's something almost all Chinese know. You really know nothing about him, and he only made one foreign trip, that's to USSR when Stalin was alive, after Stalin's death, he thought he was the leader of the communist world and believed all world leaders needed to come to China to pay respect to him, even Khrushchev had to come to China to talk to him. You really know nothing about Mao and his related history of China.
 
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