Russian General Kutuzov Killed in Ukraine: Separatists

[jhungary]

See what @jhungary said ?
A general is someone who is suppose to make and own the strategy,
formation level, and battle level decisions are left to the lower ranks as those are tactical in nature.

It takes decades of training and polishing to make a general, and it's nothing short of stupid
to expose and then loose the generals in silly battles.
When you loose generals, you loose the overall strategy and the win criteria,

One thing I want to stress is that you can trained to be a general, but you can never trained up to be a GOOD general. Losing a general itself is demoralise, losing a good one in war for stupid reason like this can be "War Losing". That's why you never risk your star in hot zone, no matter how incompetent they are.

As I said, they don't get to this point by mistake, there are something they are good at that's why they are here, and losing those expertise is going to do a great blow to your own men.

 

[Dalit]

One small sacrifice in the greater scheme of things.

 

[Viet]

You probably had read it from me here, I said that when I response to @Viet post about why Russia do not have an NCO corps and why NCO is important for modern army.

Russia doctrine traditionally do not believe in multiple leadership. Every decision is thru a centralised system (Either a Military Committee or a Political Committee) The way Russia manage battlefield is for Officer of all rank micromanage their own battle. That is true since Zhukov roll into Germany in WW2, this is true today.

When you see General in the field, which mean the top down command has broken down and either a general is needed to show authority (like junior officer refused to follow order) or the general himself does not like the situation at hand (like Junior Officer losing battlefield control.) Either way, it is bad for business to have a general in the field.


Well, as the old saying goes, you don't get to command troop by accident. I have had A LOT incompetent Junior Officer I had served with when I was a Captain. And that's where you get your combat experience from, or in the field, we said "Cut the teeth".

If you are at the rank of general, you should already had enough frontline battlefield experience to know what's going on. AS I said, I was a staff officer, however, I was also in charge of a Platoon of Soldier when I was a butter bar, and then a Platoon of I&R soldier when I was a 1LT, that's where I "Deflowered" (Cannot use the other word or I will probably gonna get banned) and as a General, you would be "deflowered" when you are a junior officer, everyone commanded troop some point in their life. So if you are already risen thru the rank General, you should have 6-10 years of actual leadership experience (I would not say combat experience because not everyone have, I only have 2 years of combat experience myself)

There is a different between you put a general who had no experience leading troop in charge, and put a general to go to the forefront and take charge of a battle. The first one is never going to happened. And the second one SHOULD NOT ever happen.

Putin can never sustain the losses in human lives and materials when he keeps it going on. Russia is not USSR. They will be butchered by modern weaponry Ukraine receives. Putin can never swallow the potential deaths of millions army men like they suffered under the hands of Germany.

Ukrainian troops with an ex-Norwegian M-109[-]howitzer.UKRAINIAN ARMY PHOTO

 

[jamahir]

Which is stupid.

The Chain of Command Structure exist for a reason, you can replace a frontline soldier with ease

Wow, what a humanitarian thought.

Stealing others peoples washing machine and shoes is not any good for humanity. He died why trying.

He must have learnt from his American friends :

Four US soldiers 'held for $1m theft'

Four American soldiers have been arrested for trying to steal nearly $1m found hidden in Saddam Hussein's Baghdad palaces, it was reported yesterday.

www.theguardian.com

 

[jhungary]

Wow, what a humanitarian thought.

Kind of late to talk about Humanitarian angle when these General were orchestrate mass slaughter of million of people of Ukrainian and their own men.

Again, I believe in Karma, you get what you deserved. If you don't want to kill people, then being a soldier is probably a wrong profession for you.......

 

[jamahir]

Kind of late to talk about Humanitarian angle when these General were orchestrate mass slaughter of million of people of Ukrainian and their own men.

LOL, you have for more than three months been into the Ukraine war thread yet you didn't see what the Ukrainian military has been doing ? You said there you were in Ukraine recently, training those UkroNazis, do you sleep well with that guilt ?

Again, I believe in Karma, you get what you deserved. If you don't want to kill people, then being a general is probably a wrong profession for you.......

So you will describe NATO generals as killers too I hope.

 

[jhungary]

LOL, you have more than three months into the Ukraine war thread yet you didn't see what the Ukrainian military has been doing ? You said there you were in Ukraine recently, training those UkroNazis, do you sleep well with that guilt ?



So you will describe NATO generals as killers too I hope.

I sleep pretty well, knowing these people I train are going to mut some Russian cxnts.

Again, you get what you deserved, and that applies on both side of the Isle, but in this case, War Atrocity is probably the only thing Russia win by a mile in this war.

 

[Catalystic]

These europeans should get off the internet and prepare fir the coming cold winters without gas and heat…..go gather firewood and some lighters/matches
Incoming winter apocalypse at your doorstep courtesy nato/usa/WEF etc…….hav u prepared? Are you ready?
Ready to take on Russian nukes?
Provoking Putin will only result in those n-missiles.
Or you gonna survive it bcaz daddy usa told you so? Few months left, best prepare rather than gloat here……

 

[jamahir]

I sleep pretty well, knowing these people I train are going to mut some Russian cxnts.

Again, you get what you deserved, and that applies on both side of the Isle, but in this case, War Atrocity is probably the only thing Russia win by a mile in this war.

Yes, these were Russian war atrocities :

Wonson city, North Korea, 1950 :

61 years later a Libyan city, 2011 :

 

[jhungary]

Yes, these were Russian war atrocities :

Wonson city, North Korea, 1950 :

61 years later a Libyan city, 2011 :

Sure, Russia did nothing wrong.

If you too dumb to realise, there are no Saint in war, everybody do dirty work, I did something I am not really proud of in war, if Russia is involved in a war, then they are no Saint, and no amount of whataboutism is going to change that.

And if you support the Russian Cxnt, then you are a Russian Scum, and you too will have blood on your hand whether you like it or not.

The only different between you and me is, I accepted that I am a sinner, and there are someone in higher order is going to be judging me when I died, and I am fine with that, you think you are a saint when you are not. You are just as dirty as I am and the only thing is, you just refused to believe it.

 

[Sinnerman108]

One thing I want to stress is that you can trained to be a general, but you can never trained up to be a GOOD general. Losing a general itself is demoralise, losing a good one in war for stupid reason like this can be "War Losing". That's why you never risk your star in hot zone, no matter how incompetent they are.

As I said, they don't get to this point by mistake, there are something they are good at that's why they are here, and losing those expertise is going to do a great blow to your own men.

That is almost perfectly true,
just one little exception; and that is different armies have slightly different cultures.
so, if a General may be N kilometers behind his infantry,
the N may be 2, or maybe 20, depends

 

[jhungary]

That is almost perfectly true,
just one little exception; and that is different armies have slightly different cultures.
so, if a General may be N kilometers behind his infantry,
the N may be 2, or maybe 20, depends

Well, general did go to the frontline, but not a hot zone, I have had general visit the line frequent when I was in Afghanistan. The area the general visit is almost fool proof, it would never would have be a hot zone where active fighting occur, if so, you move them to a quieter sector and suppress that area strongly.

 

[Beast]

When did Zhukov goes to the Frontline and direct battle?

 

[jhungary]

When did Zhukov goes to the Frontline and direct battle?

Umm. Stalingrad??

 

[jamahir]

Sure, Russia did nothing wrong.

If you too dumb to realise, there are no Saint in war, everybody do dirty work, I did something I am not really proud of in war, if Russia is involved in a war, then they are no Saint, and no amount of whataboutism is going to change that.

And if you support the Russian Cxnt, then you are a Russian Scum, and you too will have blood on your hand whether you like it or not.

The only different between you and me is, I accepted that I am a sinner, and there are someone in higher order is going to be judging me when I died, and I am fine with that, you think you are a saint when you are not. You are just as dirty as I am and the only thing is, you just refused to believe it.

If you sincerely accept you are a sinner and don't feel good in participating in killing of people then you should call for the abolishment of all militaries which will come through erasing of national borders after all the Nation State is an artificial concept that came recently via the French Revolution of the late 1700s and you should call for a single progressive, truly democratic political system, social arrangement and socio-economic system for all humanity.