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[MastanKhan]

does russia have aesa radar to offer...

i think Chinese are way ahead in this area... and why mig-35 ?

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[denel]

Egypt buyin Mig-35 as for you information @jupiter2007

Correct. EA is interesting given the quasi mixture of Rafale/F-16/legacy/+ now Mig-35s.

 

[TheTallGuy]

I thought our RD93s in JF17 Block 2 are already upgraded enough to be producing enough thrust as RD33MK and RD93MA is same as RD33MK with different FADEC installation?

@messiach

 

[jupiter2007]

Egypt buyin Mig-35 as for you information @jupiter2007

That’s the deal for mig-29M from 2016.

 

[messiach]

Long story but generally you are on track.

I thought our RD93s in JF17 Block 2 are already upgraded enough to be producing enough thrust as RD33MK and RD93MA is same as RD33MK with different FADEC installation?

@messiach

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Rd 93 Pakistan good for around 2.5 million where as GE F404 per deal is 10+ million

This is huge difference in price. We can get 4 Rd93 in one price of GE F404.
GE 404 is advance but still it don't justify such high price.

 

[Ultima Thule]

That’s the deal for mig-29M from 2016.

No its for Mig-35 go to middle east section on PDF @jupiter2007

 

[ziaulislam]

This is huge difference in price. We can get 4 Rd93 in one price of GE F404.
GE 404 is advance but still it don't justify such high price.

But life of GE404 is twice, its more modern and overhaul time is almost 2-3 times more
The rd 33mk has alot of these improvements

 

[jupiter2007]

No its for Mig-35 go to middle east section on PDF @jupiter2007

But the sale is from 2016-2017.

 

[Ultima Thule]

But the sale is from 2016-2017.

Mig-35 not Mig-29 Egypt will have @jupiter2007

But the sale is from 2016-2017.

MIG-35 as a MIG-29M @jupiter2007

 

[Sinnerman108]

But life of GE404 is twice, its more modern and overhaul time is almost 2-3 times more
The rd 33mk has alot of these improvements

Problem taken care of already.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Correct. EA is interesting given the quasi mixture of Rafale/F-16/legacy/+ now Mig-35s.

what a mixture

Egyptians can perform an Airshow or exhibition. clearly all these jets re not meant for air war because the logistical nightmare of these many jet types will be a war itself to win so one can rule out Israel (not that Egypt is going to attack its ally) that leaves Yemen, Syria and Iran

This is huge difference in price. We can get 4 Rd93 in one price of GE F404.
GE 404 is advance but still it don't justify such high price.

American engines are out of question. we cant get any.

 

[ziaulislam]

what a mixture

Egyptians can perform an Airshow or exhibition. clearly all these jets re not meant for air war because the logistical nightmare of these many jet types will be a war itself to win so one can rule out Israel (not that Egypt is going to attack its ally) that leaves Yemen, Syria and Iran


American engines are out of question. we cant get any.

Its about a dictator keeping himself in power by winning favour of russia and France

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Its about a dictator keeping himself in power by winning favour of russia and France

and America too

 

[Marker]

PAF will not agree to install Chinese WS-13E engine on JF-17 because RD-93 (MA???) already produces 78 kN to 98 kN thrust. (Wikipedia refers following Klimov poster at Zhuhai 2010 airshow)

https://web.archive.org/web/20180524222821if_/http://i56.tinypic.com/n3vu4x.jpg

RD-93 is also a proven engine on JF-17. Also refer following article published in Defence Industry Bulletin.
(Image posted by @khanasifm, refer https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/jf-17-to-get-a-new-engine-rd-93ma-with-9300kgf-thrust.193184/page-8)

Date of publication is not available on this image but the article was written during June-July 2015.
A very informative article with lot of technical details on WS-13 and RD-33/93 design evolution. Some of the salient features of modified engines are:
(1) Improved inlet fans design resulting in increase in fan speed and/or increase in mass flow.
(2) Modified combustion chamber.
(3) Modified LP and HP turbine to compensate higher turbine inlet temperatures.
(4) Engine exhaust nozzles by increasing secondary air flow.
(5) A full authority digital engine control (FADEC) and efficient hydro-mechanical fuel control.

After 4.5 years, can we assume that currently PAF is operating JF-17 powered by upgraded RD-93 MA which produces 93kN wet thrust??????