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Qutb-ud-din-Aibak said:
Ukraine is suggesting the Syrian stalemate model with the exact same 3 state actors playing the guaraantors.. The same treepeat..

This was suggested by Zelenskyy himself as NATO membership won't be possible for the next 15 years hence bringing in the same Syrian actors that has agreed on 3 part partition. Namely America, Turkey and Russia. I assume Russia will hold onto the eastern parts from Odessa to Luhansk main while US and Turkish armed forces joint will ethablish a secure state for the Ukrainians on the western side of Ukraine and there shall be no doubt of another russian invasion this time they are under guraantee.

But this will not be 3 part partition but rather 2 part partition. A Russian zone and Turkish-American Zone. All 3 work as guraantors basically.

Alternative to NATO proposed by Zelensky's party​

The Servant of the People Party is proposing to sign a new security agreement for Ukraine with the United States, Turkey and Russia instead of NATO membership.​


With ongoing negotiations between Ukraine and Russia, Zelensky's Servant of the People Party has proposed a new security agreement as an alternative to the country joining NATO. The party believes that in such an agreement, the guarantors may be the United States, Turkey, and neighboring countries – even including Russia.


By signing such an agreement, Russia will allegedly have legal obligations to recognize Ukrainian statehood and refrain from threatening the Ukrainian people and government.


The party acknowledges that such an agreement may seem absurd given the current situation, but insists that the new treaty will set out specific steps taken by other guarantor states against the violating party.



"The alliance is not ready to accept Ukraine for at least the next 15 years, and it clearly says so. We do not even have support in a completely just war from the alliance - only from individual states." A party spokesperson said.


"As it is impossible to join NATO in the coming years, we cannot use only the lines of the Constitution [expressing our desire to join NATO on our] course to the alliance, to defend our country," he said. "The course is politics – but not weapons, not planes, not state protection."

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In addition, the party gave assurance that in no case will Ukraine cede its claim to Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk nor agree to any ultimatums on its sovereignty and territorial integrity.


"We hear Russia's demand to recognize the so-called "DNR" and "LNR", [Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics, and] to recognize the occupation of Crimea." The party claimed. "It is clear that we will not do that. But we need to decide how the lives of people in these territories will be regulated within our integral state."

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Alternative to NATO proposed by Zelensky's party

The Servant of the People Party is proposing to sign a new security agreement for Ukraine with the United States, Turkey and Russia instead of NATO membership.
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He is just asking Putin to take over the whole of Ukraine,
 
Zibago said:
Did they? I mean a lot of territory and 500000 dead later the country still is divided
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ISIS is pretty much dead and the Kurds hate turkey and don’t mind being autonomous so they don’t mind letting them have that area.
 
thetutle said:
I dont see the problem if they want to call themselves after your greek historical region. I mean its obviously a greek historical name, us slavs came only 1000 years ago at the most. but why dont you take it as a compliment and move on?

Also how do greeks view this in Ukraine? who does the majority support
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Well the problem is that they don't only claim the name,but everything that comes with the name. They claim the history,the heroes,the lands. They claim that Macedonians were never greek,that Solun(Thessaloniki) is their capital,they print maps of "Greater Macedonia" etc.

You probably know it,but they've erected statues of Alexander the Great,Phillip, Aristotle,Tsar Samuil,other Byzantine and Bulgarian emperors and heroes.

Their language is called "Makedonski" but it's actually a Serbo-Bulgarian dialect,as you know. The last 10-15 years the started making even more ridiculous claims,like they appeared before other humans,that their alphabet can be found in ancient monuments,so it was Greek that was influenced by them and many other stuff.
You should check on YouTube "10 ridiculous claims by FYROM" or I could give you some nice links.

As for Ukraine,the government in Greece and the majority of the TV channels are pro-Ukrainian,but a lot of the people are pro-Russian. There's a big greek community in Ukraine and a lot of Ukrainians in Greece,but I think the majority of the people here think we should have stayed neutral and not send help to Ukraine and that also it's NATO's fault for expanding and making Russia angry. A lot are also talking about the neo-nazis in the Ukrainian army.

The Russians are very displeased with our government's stance towards them right now. And the government keeps talking about invasion,democracy,evil dictator and NATO and EU values of freedom...

The news keep talking about brave Ukrainians who resist the invasion and show women and kids crying all day.
 
8888888888888 said:
He is just asking Putin to take over the whole of Ukraine,
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Those idiots really can’t learn. This conflict was clearly provoked by their stupidity in violating Russia’s red lines. If they keep moving in the same direction Russia will just double down on the attacks. Ukraine wouldn’t be in this mess if it had accepted neutrality to be a buffer state. Atleast then they could’ve ripped off both Russia and the West to enrich their corrupt elite.
 
RescueRanger said:
Due to Poland breaching EU law on independent judiciary - It's stems from the Polish constitutional crisis from way before the war where the legislature and executive of the Polish government has taken de facto control over judges and their appointments threatening the separation of powers and thus democracy.

There’s that word again:lol:
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God, I have started to DESPISE this word!
 
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