Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments

[jhungary]

i think he can definitely use it on ukraine unless ukraine is place under US nuke umbrella


Yes and not to mention a lot of the people that went to ukraine to fight are like this:https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/christopherm51/craig-lang-ukraine-war-crimes-alleged

You can't use nuke in Ukraine and expect no damage on other.

If you remember the Chernobyl Incident. It affect Germany and Sweden, and that was an accident, and that was probably less than a 1kt device being detonated. You use a tactical nuke in Ukraine would undoubtedly spread into NATO or blow back to Russia if you are using it in Eastern Ukraine.

Don't forget Moscow is EXTREMELY CLOSE to Ukraine Eastern Border, It's only 390km away, it is well within any tactical nuke radioactive fall out range.

 

[RescueRanger]

Well, War is not a playground where you only play and the only one you can hurt is yourself, probably another kid to stand too close to the swing set when you swing on it. In a War, untrained people don't just risk themselves, but they risk literally everyone around him.

Think about it for a second. Would you give a weapon to someone who has no training of weapon discipline? He is probably be more dangerous than a Russian Soldier.........

100 percent I mean the first thing drilled into us in basic during principles of marksmanship was LMFT. Not just that there are other considerations about self sustainability (turning up there without your own rations - med kit- PPE etc) and basic survival and evasion skills - basic language skills (phrase card) - ability to identify basic UXOs and let’s be honest how many people off the street would be able to identify a PFM (butterfly mine)?

 

[jhungary]

Yes and not to mention a lot of the people that went to ukraine to fight are like this:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/christopherm51/craig-lang-ukraine-war-crimes-alleged


no normal person would just say “ima go to ukraine and kill russians”

it takes a certain mindset to want to go up against the russian army

Define normal person?

Would a normal person invade another country just to base that off some "historical" believe that many don't believe in? Would a normal person bomb someone home until they are submitted? Would a normal person would much rather the entire country suffer so that he can pursuit his own agenda?

If the world is full of "Normal" person, this war would probably wouldn't even start to begin with.

 

[Paul2]

Well, everyone have nuke could have ended the world several time over (Probably not North Korea)

It is one thing to say YOU WILL USE Nuke. And it is another thing to ACTUALLY USE IT.

If you are talking about a deterrence manner, then anyone can blow anyone away, which negated your threat.
However, if you are really hell bend of using it, you use it anyway, you don't care about population or GDP or anything.

Which mean if you use it, you use it, if you are just talking about it, then you need to know it not just you who had this "edge"

Wait... NATO in Europe simply don't have enough nukes to physically destroy enough armour were Russians to attack "by the book"

1mt gravity bomb has at most enough range to destroy a tank battalion if they were to bunch up, but in wartime they would obviously spread out few kms apart，that at most gives you 1 company per nuke.

Obviously not enough to defeat full scale tank invasion of the size you could've seen during the cold war.

 

[thetutle]

Money is frozen. The money will be returned to Russia in the future.

USA and Russia relations won't forever remained strained.

yes it will be returned the same way it was returned to Libya and Iraq.

There will be bill to pay for Ukraine damage and the money spent on saving ukariane. and that money will go to them. or actually western companies who will rebuild Ukraine.

 

[jhungary]

100 percent I mean the first thing drilled into us in basic during principles of marksmanship was LMFT. Not just that there are other considerations about self sustainability (turning up there without your own rations - med kit- PPE etc) and basic survival and evasion skills - basic language skills (phrase card) - ability to identify basic UXOs and let’s be honest how many people off the street would be able to identify a PFM (butterfly mine)?

Well, people have this kind of notion described as "Robinhood Complex" in which they are pre-deposed to think they can do this without thinking about consequence. This is not a "free-for-all" zone where you can do whatever you want like it's a video game, real war is nasty, complicated, crazy for anyone who was involved.

People watch movie and play video game and think war is the same, it is far from it.

 

[Enigma SIG]

So Russia just gave 315 billion in foreign reserves to EU and USA on purpose? What nice bunch of guys. Because as you say they knew the west was taking this money and they left it in western banks anyway. such generosity.

Russia Total External Debt

External Debt in Russia increased to 306.10 USD Billion in the second quarter of 2024 from 302.70 USD Billion in the first quarter of 2024. This page provides - Russia External Debt - actual values, historical data, forecast, chart, statistics, economic calendar and news.

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External Debt in Russia decreased to 478.20 USD Billion in the fourth quarter of 2021 from 489.20 USD Billion in the third quarter of 2021​

Russian's are laughing all the way to the bank here.

 

[jhungary]

Wait... NATO in Europe simply don't have enough nukes to physically destroy enough armour were Russians to attack "by the book"

1mt gravity bomb has at most enough range to destroy a tank battalion if they were to bunch up, but in wartime they would obviously spread out few kms apart，that at most gives you 1 company per nuke.

Obviously not enough to defeat full scale tank invasion of the size you could've seen during the cold war.

Well, depends on how you define "NATO in Europe"

If you are just talking about France and the UK, yes, they probably can level Russia with the 500 or so nuclear device, probably not every corner. And I would think this is enough to deter a massive armor strike.

However, US asset is also in Europe, which mean unless Russia did not nuke back, once US asset is touched by Nuke, America will nuke back. And then you are not talking about 500 or so nuke. You are talking about the full might.

 

[thetutle]

Take the WW2 for example. The Germans invaded successfully, deep into Soviet Union only to be held back at Stalingrad. During this time when the fighting was most extreme, Soviet Union rebuilt its forces and managed to out produce war material than Germany. The Soviets suffered heavily but because it could bring to bear its resources for the war effort and out-produced their enemies, they were able to take the fight all the way to Germany.

And unlimited supplies from the US, including one million trucks only from Detroit factories. Just from Detroit.

 

[blueazure]

As long as Nato doesn't interfere he will win.

javelins, NLAW, panzerfaust 3's , GROM manpads, ammo, are flowing into ukraine like butter

 

[coffee_cup]

Define normal person?

Would a normal person invade another country just to base that off some "historical" believe that many don't believe in? Would a normal person bomb someone home until they are submitted? Would a normal person would much rather the entire country suffer so that he can pursuit his own agenda?

If the world is full of "Normal" person, this war would probably wouldn't even start to begin with.

Good mention.

There is no doubt that all the US/NATO leaders invading countries around the world are abnormal people with mental disorders.

 

[Paul2]

Well, people have this kind of notion described as "Robinhood Complex" in which they are pre-deposed to think they can do this without thinking about consequence. This is not a "free-for-all" zone where you can do whatever you want like it's a video game, real war is nasty, complicated, crazy for anyone who was involved.

People watch movie and play video game and think war is the same, it is far from it.

Most of the time, soldiers are just doing nothing during war.

Ukrainians already have a lot of territorials which they can't do much with, besides giving then an AK, and telling them "wait for Russians to come"

Soldiers need to be fed, supplied, and trained in use of heavy armaments, know at least basics of tactics, and driven around in some semblance of an armoured vehicle.

A single man with nothing, but small arms can only help holding cities, and only fighting similar very lightly prepared forces.

That's why Russian decision to dilute their best forces with conscripts to draw impressive size numbers spectacularly backfired.

 

[jhungary]

Russia Total External Debt

External Debt in Russia increased to 306.10 USD Billion in the second quarter of 2024 from 302.70 USD Billion in the first quarter of 2024. This page provides - Russia External Debt - actual values, historical data, forecast, chart, statistics, economic calendar and news.

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External Debt in Russia decreased to 478.20 USD Billion in the fourth quarter of 2021 from 489.20 USD Billion in the third quarter of 2021​

Russian's are laughing all the way to the bank here.

If I was Russian, I wouldn't be laughing.

Rouble is almost halved its value against USD, and considering USD/GBP/Euro together formed 90% of world currency reserve, which mean Russian Reserve almost halved in just 13 days, with the rest frozen, the inability of stopping Rouble from free-falling is nothing but an alarming trend for Russian Economy.

 

[Indos]

Well thats what I am asking you. Did Russia allow the west to have 315 billion USD on purpose?

That money will stay, most probably Russian will give back Ukraine after Putin is no longer Russia President. That money is not gone, just cannot be touch by Russian until they pull out from Ukraine

 

[thetutle]

If I was Russian, I wouldn't be laughing.

Rouble is almost halved its value against USD, and considering USD/GBP/Euro together formed 90% of world currency reserve, which mean Russian Reserve almost halved in just 13 days, with the rest frozen, the inability of stopping Rouble from free-falling is nothing but an alarming trend for Russian Economy.

its not actually free falling. its kind of stabilised at the 130 mark to the USD. Proabbylbeign propped up at great expense but the Russian central bank with the 315 billion they do have access to in foreign reserves and laws preventing the purchasing of foreign currency.