We have a saying in Bosnia, "God always looks after a drunk". Its probably a pre islamic saying. Proven right this time. Who with a heart would shoot a drunkard sleeping in a war zone?
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We'll see. Ukraine also set out to join NATO, then retake Crimea and Eastern Donbass. They're failing to do all 3 and in fact may be forced to give up entire Donbass plus Kherson Oblast north of Crimea, in addition to possibly getting Kiev flattened. Their GDP per capita is likely to drop below India's this year.Putin set out to achieve a regime change in Ukraine. Any dialogue outcome that is less than a regime change is a step down for him. Let's see what happens.
If Putin simply takes control of Ukraine by force, he will deal with a bigger insurgency than what the Americans had to deal with in Afghanistan. Unlike in places like Kashmir or Chechnya, the whole EU/US block will sanction Putin and fund this insurgency until the to be puppet regime is overthrown.
So far a smaller Russian force has invaded Ukraine, inflicted disproportionate casualties, and Ukrainian forces cannot remove them. This is the fact on the ground right now.
The person you replied to claiming Russia still has T-56 in storage.
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Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments
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U.S. Has Issues With Poland's Plan To Turn Over Its MiG-29s For Eventual Use By Ukraine (Updated)
Over two dozen MiG-29s could help Ukraine keep challenging the Russian Air Force, but it won't be simple getting them there.
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This is BIG.
US is looking forward to rebuild Ukrainian Air Force.
Have they agreed to? Its been a debated news back and forth with the poles walking it back.Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments
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U.S. Has Issues With Poland's Plan To Turn Over Its MiG-29s For Eventual Use By Ukraine (Updated)
Over two dozen MiG-29s could help Ukraine keep challenging the Russian Air Force, but it won't be simple getting them there.
This is BIG.
US is looking forward to rebuild Ukrainian Air Force.
Those migs need a base though and the Russians are likely to have better luck hitting military targets than holding civilian centers.
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A sensible livestream evaluation of the war. Ex. Through the information campaign Ukraine a has made itself look like it’s winning and it’s destroying three times more then it is actually destroying. While the reality is Russian progress is slow but still moving forward day by day.
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The weather may be working against Putin | CNN
Rapid renewal of the JCPOA -- with or without a Russian signature -- represents an opportunity to strike a major blow at everything Putin stands for, even the foundations of his power and influence, writes David Andelman.
even the international jewery now supports Iran deal to get the oil flowing.
Iran can now be rich, and Russia in the naughty room.
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YES.
After multiple carefully worded denials regarding reports about planned sales or donations of MiG-29 Fulcrum fighter jets to Ukraine, the Polish government has formally announced plans to transfer its entire fleet of these aircraft to the U.S. government. Though not stated, it seems all but certain that American authorities will pass these jets to the Ukrainian Air Force. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said this past weekend that such a transfer would, unequivocally, get a "green light" from the United States.
The Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs announced the deal today, adding that it had requested the U.S. government provide sufficient numbers of other fighter jets to make up for the loss of these MiG-29s. The Polish Air Force's current fighter jet fleets consist of around 28 Fulcrums and some 48 Block 52+ F-16C/D Vipers. In terms of combat jets, Poland's Air Force also operates a smaller number of Su-22M4 Fitter ground-attack jets. The country also has F-35A Joint Strike Fighters on order, but does not expect to take delivery of the first one of these jets until 2024.
From the link I shared in previous post.
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Nuland - another embarrassment for the US government - don’t these people coordinate press statements?
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Poland offers to hand over MiG jet fighters to U.S. for use by Ukraine
The Polish government said Tuesday it is prepared to hand over its entire fleet of MiG-29 fighters to the United States for possible use in Ukraine, so long as Washington and its NATO allies provide Warsaw with comparable combat aircraft.
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US dismisses Polish plan to provide fighter jets to be sent to Ukraine
Pentagon says plan for Poles to give Soviet-era jets to US ‘not tenable’ as Ukraine cities await promised Russian ceasefire
US rejects Poland offer to give it Russian-made jets for Ukraine
The United States rejected a Polish offer to send MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine via a US airbase, saying the proposal raised ‘serious concerns’ for the entire Nato alliance.
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Poland to send MiG-29 fighter jets to US base to help Ukraine
POLAND has said it will give all of its MiG-29 fighter jets to the US, apparently agreeing to an arrangement that would allow them to be used by…
Polish offer of fighter jets to help Kyiv runs into resistance from US
Pentagon says Warsaw’s plan to get Russian-built planes to Ukraine’s air force not ‘tenable’
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Most likely -- yes. Let us go with the US F-16 deal for now. Ordnance from the MIGs are probably not compatible with the F-16, so there is no logic in keeping them. Send'em all to Ukraine.
Am Air Force, so am always going to be partial to air force people, no matter their country.
Pilots are normally valuable assets. As long as there is a functional airfield, jets will fly. But in this particular situation with the Ukrainians, the longer the absence of the VKS over Ukrainian airspace, the greater the value of the Ukrainian pilots. This valuation is tactical. As long as the VKS either failed or refused to achieve air superiority over Ukraine, maybe they refused for some mysterious tactics we do not know yet, Ukrainian pilots must act quickly to deny airspace to the VKS and to attack Russian ground forces, especially that stalled supply convoy. The longer and greater presence of Ukrainian jets over Ukrainian ground forces, the morale factor cannot be understated. So whatever amount of pilots Ukraine have, those guys are national treasure right now.
That said, it will not be easy taking over the Polish MIGs.
For starter, how will the Ukrainian pilots get over to Germany? How many jets determine how many pilots.
Next, the Ukrainian pilots will have to examine the Polish MIGs to see what are the differences, and there WILL be at least minor differences between what they are used to vs what the Poles have done to these MIGs. But am willing to say that the Ukrainians pilots will be able to adjust.
Next, the Ukrainian pilots will have to make familiarization or functional check flights. They have to know how each jet perform in the air. All jets are essentially hand built, no matter the country. So inevitably, there will be the usual 'product variations' but this will not be a major problem. As long as the pilots are comfortable with the functional check flights, they will accept the jets. But they have to make these flights.
Next, on the return trip to Ukraine, will these jets be armed? No doubt the Russians will know of this deal so now, even though the VKS is largely absent over Ukrainian airspace, I am %100 confident that the VKS will sortie to hunt them down. From my personal perspective, it would be foolish not to preempt the Ukrainians, and the Ukrainians would be foolish not to assume the same, so most likely, the return flights will be armed and treated as a combat sortie. The Americans, the Germans, and the Poles would follow the same reasoning, so the MIGs will be armed with air-air missiles to defend themselves until they make it home and begin to use the jets for other missions.
For the long term, if these MIGs make it to Ukrainian hands, and if the VKS do not show whatever mysterious tactics they have been withholding or that the VKS is truly incompetent in this war, the fight will be tougher for Russia.
this is irrelevant. The facts are that Russia has the whole developed world against it and is facing a cliff. Ukraine is just a piece on the chess board. Russia has taken the pawn but has exposed the king.
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And Iraq has weapons of mass destruction.
And Taliban can never take over Kabul.
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