Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments

[thetutle]

Most likely -- yes. Let us go with the US F-16 deal for now. Ordnance from the MIGs are probably not compatible with the F-16, so there is no logic in keeping them. Send'em all to Ukraine.


Am Air Force, so am always going to be partial to air force people, no matter their country.

Pilots are normally valuable assets. As long as there is a functional airfield, jets will fly. But in this particular situation with the Ukrainians, the longer the absence of the VKS over Ukrainian airspace, the greater the value of the Ukrainian pilots. This valuation is tactical. As long as the VKS either failed or refused to achieve air superiority over Ukraine, maybe they refused for some mysterious tactics we do not know yet, Ukrainian pilots must act quickly to deny airspace to the VKS and to attack Russian ground forces, especially that stalled supply convoy. The longer and greater presence of Ukrainian jets over Ukrainian ground forces, the morale factor cannot be understated. So whatever amount of pilots Ukraine have, those guys are national treasure right now.

That said, it will not be easy taking over the Polish MIGs.

For starter, how will the Ukrainian pilots get over to Germany? How many jets determine how many pilots.

Next, the Ukrainian pilots will have to examine the Polish MIGs to see what are the differences, and there WILL be at least minor differences between what they are used to vs what the Poles have done to these MIGs. But am willing to say that the Ukrainians pilots will be able to adjust.

Next, the Ukrainian pilots will have to make familiarization or functional check flights. They have to know how each jet perform in the air. All jets are essentially hand built, no matter the country. So inevitably, there will be the usual 'product variations' but this will not be a major problem. As long as the pilots are comfortable with the functional check flights, they will accept the jets. But they have to make these flights.

Next, on the return trip to Ukraine, will these jets be armed? No doubt the Russians will know of this deal so now, even though the VKS is largely absent over Ukrainian airspace, I am %100 confident that the VKS will sortie to hunt them down. From my personal perspective, it would be foolish not to preempt the Ukrainians, and the Ukrainians would be foolish not to assume the same, so most likely, the return flights will be armed and treated as a combat sortie. The Americans, the Germans, and the Poles would follow the same reasoning, so the MIGs will be armed with air-air missiles to defend themselves until they make it home and begin to use the jets for other missions.

For the long term, if these MIGs make it to Ukrainian hands, and if the VKS do not show whatever mysterious tactics they have been withholding or that the VKS is truly incompetent in this war, the fight will be tougher for Russia.

They must have highway sections and tunnels where these aircraft can go. Or even old hardened soviet bases. They must be disbursed. Even if each one delivers one full payload on target, it will buy ukranians time.

 

[Flight of falcon]

YES.

After multiple carefully worded denials regarding reports about planned sales or donations of MiG-29 Fulcrum fighter jets to Ukraine, the Polish government has formally announced plans to transfer its entire fleet of these aircraft to the U.S. government. Though not stated, it seems all but certain that American authorities will pass these jets to the Ukrainian Air Force. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said this past weekend that such a transfer would, unequivocally, get a "green light" from the United States.

The Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs announced the deal today, adding that it had requested the U.S. government provide sufficient numbers of other fighter jets to make up for the loss of these MiG-29s. The Polish Air Force's current fighter jet fleets consist of around 28 Fulcrums and some 48 Block 52+ F-16C/D Vipers. In terms of combat jets, Poland's Air Force also operates a smaller number of Su-22M4 Fitter ground-attack jets. The country also has F-35A Joint Strike Fighters on order, but does not expect to take delivery of the first one of these jets until 2024.

From the link I shared in previous post.

Russia should declare any country giving bases to Ukraine to be a hostile country and destroy any base supporting them.

Racist Polish need to be spanked ….

 

[Wood]

Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments

defence.pk

U.S. Has Issues With Poland's Plan To Turn Over Its MiG-29s For Eventual Use By Ukraine (Updated)

Over two dozen MiG-29s could help Ukraine keep challenging the Russian Air Force, but it won't be simple getting them there.

www.thedrive.com

This is BIG.

US is looking forward to rebuild Ukrainian Air Force.

I think the Ukrainians may not have pilots to fly or the ammunition to arm these jets.

Finally, how will they dodge the SAMs used by Russians? I think this has more symbolic meaning than real ability to change the air cover in this conflict.

 

[Flight of falcon]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1501295452863578117

Americans have also discovered two fully functioning nuclear reactors in Iraq producing nuclear weapons .

 

[The SC]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1501298060248461312

 

[kingQamaR]

We'll see. Ukraine also set out to join NATO, then retake Crimea and Eastern Donbass. They're failing to do all 3 and in fact may be forced to give up entire Donbass plus Kherson Oblast north of Crimea, in addition to possibly getting Kiev flattened. Their GDP per capita is likely to drop below India's this year.

So far a smaller Russian force has invaded Ukraine, inflicted disproportionate casualties, and Ukrainian forces cannot remove them. This is the fact on the ground right now.


The person you replied to claiming Russia still has T-56 in storage.

He wants to recreate the old soviet empire, nothing more nothing less.

However it demonstrates one thing though. Never ever give up nuclear weapons. Ukrainians were a bit foolish to give up nuclear weapons in exchance of western guarantees for security. Now western countries cannot come to their rescue aside from funding and giving some money and weapons here and there. One can still be part of the western world while keeping your nuclear weapons.

 

[Oublious]

Russia should declare any country giving bases to Ukraine to be a hostile country and destroy any base supporting them.

Racist Polish need to be spanked ….

but how? They are not capable to get Ukrain...

 

[Wood]

Most likely -- yes. Let us go with the US F-16 deal for now. Ordnance from the MIGs are probably not compatible with the F-16, so there is no logic in keeping them. Send'em all to Ukraine.


Am Air Force, so am always going to be partial to air force people, no matter their country.

Pilots are normally valuable assets. As long as there is a functional airfield, jets will fly. But in this particular situation with the Ukrainians, the longer the absence of the VKS over Ukrainian airspace, the greater the value of the Ukrainian pilots. This valuation is tactical. As long as the VKS either failed or refused to achieve air superiority over Ukraine, maybe they refused for some mysterious tactics we do not know yet, Ukrainian pilots must act quickly to deny airspace to the VKS and to attack Russian ground forces, especially that stalled supply convoy. The longer and greater presence of Ukrainian jets over Ukrainian ground forces, the morale factor cannot be understated. So whatever amount of pilots Ukraine have, those guys are national treasure right now.

That said, it will not be easy taking over the Polish MIGs.

For starter, how will the Ukrainian pilots get over to Germany? How many jets determine how many pilots.

Next, the Ukrainian pilots will have to examine the Polish MIGs to see what are the differences, and there WILL be at least minor differences between what they are used to vs what the Poles have done to these MIGs. But am willing to say that the Ukrainians pilots will be able to adjust.

Next, the Ukrainian pilots will have to make familiarization or functional check flights. They have to know how each jet perform in the air. All jets are essentially hand built, no matter the country. So inevitably, there will be the usual 'product variations' but this will not be a major problem. As long as the pilots are comfortable with the functional check flights, they will accept the jets. But they have to make these flights.

Next, on the return trip to Ukraine, will these jets be armed? No doubt the Russians will know of this deal so now, even though the VKS is largely absent over Ukrainian airspace, I am %100 confident that the VKS will sortie to hunt them down. From my personal perspective, it would be foolish not to preempt the Ukrainians, and the Ukrainians would be foolish not to assume the same, so most likely, the return flights will be armed and treated as a combat sortie. The Americans, the Germans, and the Poles would follow the same reasoning, so the MIGs will be armed with air-air missiles to defend themselves until they make it home and begin to use the jets for other missions.

For the long term, if these MIGs make it to Ukrainian hands, and if the VKS do not show whatever mysterious tactics they have been withholding or that the VKS is truly incompetent in this war, the fight will be tougher for Russia.

Nice post

 

[jhungary]

Ukrainian weakness now is that their territorials are not being used even against weakest Russian formations offensively. Even fighting off smallest towns from a single Russian platoon takes too much attention from Ukrainian regular army.

In My Opinion, Ukrainian is not fighting what we called "Occupation" warfare.

In any hostile occupation, the occupying force will force to leave some troop behind to fight off local counterattack, because the territories they occupied is hostile, which in turn sap the combat strength as the invading army move forward, And this is something the Russian cannot afford to do (They are spreading thin with 200000 troops in a 3 frontal axis) Which mean Ukraine regular and irregular can and should exploit this by launching counter offensive, both within their region or more global.

But I don't see much counter offensive going on, there are some In Hostemel and Chuhuiv. They should have organise a more structural counter offensive either by the regular or irregular so they can either disrupt the Russian offensive or even push back a little bit...

 

[Dalit]

Nuland - another embarrassment for the US government - don’t these people coordinate press statements?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1501297440741539840

The Americans have gone full-time crazy. What a crazy fvcks. After getting their rear kicked in Afghanistan one would have imagined some sobering up and introspection. It didn't take a month and we are back into another conflict. I can only imagine that the Americans will only rest if the world is destroyed.

 

[FuturePAF]

Most likely -- yes. Let us go with the US F-16 deal for now. Ordnance from the MIGs are probably not compatible with the F-16, so there is no logic in keeping them. Send'em all to Ukraine.


Am Air Force, so am always going to be partial to air force people, no matter their country.

Pilots are normally valuable assets. As long as there is a functional airfield, jets will fly. But in this particular situation with the Ukrainians, the longer the absence of the VKS over Ukrainian airspace, the greater the value of the Ukrainian pilots. This valuation is tactical. As long as the VKS either failed or refused to achieve air superiority over Ukraine, maybe they refused for some mysterious tactics we do not know yet, Ukrainian pilots must act quickly to deny airspace to the VKS and to attack Russian ground forces, especially that stalled supply convoy. The longer and greater presence of Ukrainian jets over Ukrainian ground forces, the morale factor cannot be understated. So whatever amount of pilots Ukraine have, those guys are national treasure right now.

That said, it will not be easy taking over the Polish MIGs.

For starter, how will the Ukrainian pilots get over to Germany? How many jets determine how many pilots.

Next, the Ukrainian pilots will have to examine the Polish MIGs to see what are the differences, and there WILL be at least minor differences between what they are used to vs what the Poles have done to these MIGs. But am willing to say that the Ukrainians pilots will be able to adjust.

Next, the Ukrainian pilots will have to make familiarization or functional check flights. They have to know how each jet perform in the air. All jets are essentially hand built, no matter the country. So inevitably, there will be the usual 'product variations' but this will not be a major problem. As long as the pilots are comfortable with the functional check flights, they will accept the jets. But they have to make these flights.

Next, on the return trip to Ukraine, will these jets be armed? No doubt the Russians will know of this deal so now, even though the VKS is largely absent over Ukrainian airspace, I am %100 confident that the VKS will sortie to hunt them down. From my personal perspective, it would be foolish not to preempt the Ukrainians, and the Ukrainians would be foolish not to assume the same, so most likely, the return flights will be armed and treated as a combat sortie. The Americans, the Germans, and the Poles would follow the same reasoning, so the MIGs will be armed with air-air missiles to defend themselves until they make it home and begin to use the jets for other missions.

For the long term, if these MIGs make it to Ukrainian hands, and if the VKS do not show whatever mysterious tactics they have been withholding or that the VKS is truly incompetent in this war, the fight will be tougher for Russia.

While Warsaw Pact Migs and Sukhois are nearly Soviet quality, I’m surprised the boys on the Potomac aren't trying to Buy up decent condition East bloc planes from around the world and Sprucing them up before handing them over to the Ukrainians.

 

[Messerschmitt]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1501316525340434439

 

[FuturePAF]

In My Opinion, Ukrainian is not fighting what we called "Occupation" warfare.

In any hostile occupation, the occupying force will force to leave some troop behind to fight off local counterattack, because the territories they occupied is hostile, which in turn sap the combat strength as the invading army move forward, And this is something the Russian cannot afford to do (They are spreading thin with 200000 troops in a 3 frontal axis) Which mean Ukraine regular and irregular can and should exploit this by launching counter offensive, both within their region or more global.

But I don't see much counter offensive going on, there are some In Hostemel and Chuhuiv. They should have organise a more structural counter offensive either by the regular or irregular so they can either disrupt the Russian offensive or even push back a little bit...

Probably letting the Russians move over them and poping up behind them, in small units as in the operation Gladio strategy.

 

[F-22Raptor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1501297383258394624

How the Russians feel about losing McDonalds

 

[Madni Bappa]

This grotesque maniac and Putin apologist, is actually right. But we are at war with Russia.

Fertilizer going from 200 to 800 dollars is just crazy. These Washington mfers are destroying America and Europe to please Israelis.