Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments

[NA71]

Gentlemen, this is an invasion from Russian side even if you call it preemptive strikes, it still is an aggression. I have noticed that some posters are justifying it because either they believe that Ukrainians are racists or West has been a hypocrite. While this is true that both things are correct however civilians dying at the hands of forces didn't deserve it and just because West bombed civilians, it doesn't mean we should support Russian bombing as well.

Think from human perspective and not from East vs West perspective. Thousands have died and thousands will become disabled for life be it Russian or Ukrainians.

You can always point towards the hypocrisy of west or racism by White people without justifying war crimes by their opponents.

Very well said. How it could be avoided? The Ukrainian Move is not acceptable to Russians...and the West continued to instigate the conflict and they are succeeded.

 

[Microsoft]

Gentlemen, this is an invasion from Russian side even if you call it preemptive strikes, it still is an aggression. I have noticed that some posters are justifying it because either they believe that Ukrainians are racists or West has been a hypocrite. While this is true that both things are correct however civilians dying at the hands of forces didn't deserve it and just because West bombed civilians, it doesn't mean we should support Russian bombing as well.

Think from human perspective and not from East vs West perspective. Thousands have died and thousands will become disabled for life be it Russian or Ukrainians.

You can always point towards the hypocrisy of west or racism by White people without justifying war crimes by their opponents.

What about the people suffering due to sanctions?

Let's suppose there is no war today and Ukraine goes on to join NATO. Then NATO takes the fight to Russia mainland. Do we go on talking about aggression and how sad it is to see civilian deaths? When its just a repeat of every other western war?

 

[Vapnope]

War crimes against "brown, black or yellow" people are quite OK in the western racist hypocrites book. In the genocide of Muslims, It is referred to as "war against terrorism".

It is like saying "They are bad, so i am just like them".
It is not about them, it about you and what you believe. I hope my comment was clear.

What about the people suffering due to sanctions?

Let's suppose there is no war today and Ukraine goes on to join NATO. Then NATO takes the fight to Russia mainland. Do we go on talking about aggression and how sad it is to see civilian deaths? When its just a repeat of every other western war?

There were other means to stop Ukraine, this certainly was the last resort which Russia used as a first.

If you can just read through my comment, you will realize that i am not saying West is good either.

Very well said. How it could be avoided? The Ukrainian Move is not acceptable to Russians...and the West continued to instigate the conflict and they are succeeded.

And now you see whole of Europe is up in arms. Germany spending $100billion on defense, Finland and Sweden thinking about more defense pacts and even the Switzerland is coming out of neutrality.

 

[Amigator]

The entire east europe hosts no foreign population citizens because nobody even goes there in the first place because they are poor these eastern european countries. It's all West Europe.

Besides I don't even understand why he has to be so passionate about it. It is his home and he has the right to not let anyone he doesn't want in and don't see why some even pressing him for other ways and the woman questioning didn't even asked him about that question.. But either way that is his home and you only let in whomever you want there is no pressure here and no reason even talking about just shout your borders and say no thanks... Example China takes literally nobody doesn't matter who European, African etc etc there is no migration at all zero and they are not insecure about it. No need to shout about it just do you and put it into the constiution



I don't think they are

Next number is of Poland.

 

[Whizzack]

A brief intermezzo...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1499262573409091589

the tune's kinda catchy to me..
May peace prevail soon...

 

[dBSPL]

The entire east europe hosts no foreign population citizens because nobody even goes there in the first place because they are poor these eastern european countries. It's all West Europe.

Besides I don't even understand why he has to be so passionate about it. It is his home and he has the right to not let anyone he doesn't want in and don't see why some even pressing him for other ways and the woman questioning didn't even asked him about that question.. But either way that is his home and you only let in whomever you want there is no pressure here and no reason even talking about just shout your borders and say no thanks... Example China takes literally nobody doesn't matter who European, African etc etc there is no migration at all zero and they are not insecure about it. No need to shout about it just do you and put it into the constiution



I don't think they are

Eastern European countries are like the villages of Europe. In winter, the population is as low as possible. Because people prefer the central economies of Europe to live and work in better conditions. Bulgaria, Macedonia are the countries I go to regularly, almost all of the educated young population leave the country unfortunately.

If you draw a border from the Eastern Balkans to the Baltic; Except maybe Poland, the economic power of other countries is very limited. They are vitally dependent on EU funds, even for infrastructure investments.

Now let's assume that the Ukrainian war continues for at least 1 more year: And let's distribute 4 million of the 5 million refugees to Romania, Moldova, Slovakia and Poland. This will produce an economically unmanageable result. Not to mention the fights that will arise in the distribution of another lucky million Ukrainians to other European countries.

 

[Bengal71]

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Thank you very much for sharing that, just a word of caution on that reddit, a lot of posts on it have been taken down recently. But this could be very plausible considering that many Turkish accounts have also shared tweets praising TB2 for wrecking a supply train.


It's really infuriating to be honest.

These hypocrites then criticize China's great firewall.

 

[LeGenD]

What a wonderful hypocritical world. A European country gets attacked and all the colonialists and their poodles go berserk, what about all the dozens of non-European countries that have been attacked with wars causing millions of deaths?

I see your point but a major concern is that war in Europe can lead to much bigger crisis like a world war. This is something that much of the world does not want. A stable Europe is in the best interests of all.

 

[Microsoft]

There were other means to stop Ukraine, this certainly was the last resort which Russia used as a first.

If you can just read through my comment, you will realize that i am not saying West is good either.

I understand what you're saying and you're correct. But if you look from the Russian POV this is the only way to avert greater suffering for the Russian people, which would happen if Ukraine joined NATO.
I'm not sure what other means they could've used to stop NATO membership and if they could they would have.

I see your point but a major concern is that war in Europe can lead to much bigger crisis like a world war. This is something that much of the world does not want. A stable Europe is in the best interests of all.

What makes a world war? European countries' involvement?

 

[dBSPL]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1499259886189830148

 

[Madni Bappa]

Damn Doug just said what Bajwa says all the time regions develop. Here he's saying pretty much same thing

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

There were other means to stop Ukraine, this certainly was the last resort which Russia used as a first.

The problems with Ukraine started in 2013 with Euromaidan protests which led to riots and the overthrow of the Ukrainian president in 2014, which led to marginalization of the Russian speaking minority, which led to the Donbass and Crimea revolution, then a 2015-2021 attempt for Ukraine to retake Donbass and Crimea... which ended in this war.

I'm not saying anything about moral judgments, I'm just giving you the facts.

 

[mingle]

Next number is of Poland.

Zero chance

 

[Piotr]

One week into the Russian special operation in the Ukraine – update​

March 02, 2022

So we are a week in and I think it is time to take short pause and see what happened over the last 7 days.

• The Russian attack began, as predicted, mostly by strikes with standoff weapons. 24 hour hours later the Ukie air force and navy ceased to exist. In this initial phase, few Ukrainian units were directly engaged.
• The bulk of the Nazi forces is in Donbass and it took the LDNR forces several days to break through the Nazi defenses, but eventually they did it in two directions. At the same time, while the heavy combats between the Nazi forces in the Donbass and the LDNR forces were taking place, the Russian launched a two pronged offensive from the north and south to envelop the Nazi force concentrations. Interestingly, in spite of the fact that the two Russian forces have not reached each other and in spite of the existing no man’s land between them, the Ukronazis are not making any serious efforts to break through since they must realize that the entire area between the two Russian forces is a big “free fire zone” for Russian artillery, CAS aircraft and attack helicopters. For all practical purposes the entire Nazi concentration of course in the Donbass is now locked into an operational cauldron.
• The same is true for the Nazi forces in Mariupol. For them, it’s curtain down, show over.
• There is a large Nazi force left in only one location: Odessa. It appears that the Russians want to encircle it and then take a final decision on how to deal with this city.
• Kiev is a total mess, the Russians did not even try to enter the city yet, but the crazy rumors combined with terrified Ukronazis will make this one a particularly difficult situation to resolve. I personally hope that the Russians stay as they are, block the city on all sides, open a humanitarian corridor and wait until the time is right.
• On the informational war, the West gave Russia a thorough thrashing: RT and Sputnik are banned everywhere, absolutely insane rumors are circulating (see example below), I know for fact that some US colleges have banned their computers from accessing any .ru or .su websites – yes entire domain names are being shut down – Russian diplomats get assaulted (in one of the 3Bs statelets if I remember correctly).
• The western PSYOP onslaught is so powerful that even some people in Russia are fearful and sincerely worry “what will happen to us next?!”.
• Western IT companies are disconnecting, throttling, while “private” western crackers are unleashing DDoS attack on pretty much all the main Russian websites, not only informational ones, but also those who are used to run the civilian infrastructure of Russia. I am not impressed by how much (or little) Russian PR people did to prepare for this which was easy to see coming. Here, again, the West so far is winning, but a huge margin.
• The western society is displaying its hatred of all things Russian in every way it can: hundereds and maybe thousands of students are summarily expelled from western colleges (which used to be bastions of freedom). In a Swiss city the child of a friend of mine was beat up in school for being an “evil Russian”. Artists are expelled, others pressured to condemn their own country and president, western presstitutes and politicians unceasingly vomit at Russia, Russians and everything Russian!

Which tells me how truly impotent and frustrated they are

That being said, here is the good news: Today, one of our favorite trolls managed to bypass moderation and post this (see comment).

What is important here is to realize that whether this guy does it for money in a NATO troll farm or with utter sincerity, he is about to get a really big, probably huge, mental shock.

Right now, the entire western narrative hangs on this kind of nonsense: Russia is about to be totally defeated, the Ukie army and people have won on all fronts, and Ze, backed by NATO, the EU, the US and the entire planet is about to deliver his conditions for a Russian capitulation.

The maps?
All fakes.
The local reports?
All fakes too.

So far, that has worked pretty well. But here are the stone cold fact about the Ukie military:

• Air Force: gone
• Navy: gone
• Long range, standoff capabilities: gone
• Air defenses: gone
• Regular ground forces: no less than 65% (some say up to 80%) of the Ukie military is surrounded and condemned
• Assorted Nazi units: I don’t have the figures, but A LOT of them are now either in the Donbass cauldron or in Mariupol. They will mostly not be taken prisoner, except for the leaders who will be tried and sentenced for their innumerable crimes.

So, in terms of the Russian goals, here is how I would score this:

• Ukrainian disarmament: mostly already done, the Ukraine has nothing to threaten Russia with
• Ukrainian denazification: only at the early start, but conditions are excellent and I am confident that most of the hardcore Nazis will soon be dead

One more thing I forgot to mention about the “no man’s land” west of the Donbass operational cauldron. It is shown in the map below where the black and yellow lines touch (and add about 5-10km on each side)

It’s not only that only small groups, maybe civilian cars at high speed can get out, it also means that the entire Nazi force in the Donbass is not getting resupplied. Not by air, not by sea and not by road.

Right now, amazingly, the Ukronazis are STILL shelling the LDNR, today 5 civilians were murdered by Ukie selling near Donetsk. So they are not even trying to break out, I suppose they know the score and with their supplies running out (many destroyed by heavy bombs) their lifespan is now counted in days.

Please keep in mind that while this force is surrounded, it did have SEVEN YEARS to dig in deep and place tons of concrete over their bunkers. But like the Ligne Maginot, while the LDNR were pinning down the Ukies, the Russian enveloped them from behind.

So one of two things will now happen.

1. Either the Russians will convince the Ukie commanders to surrender and evacuate safely or
2. Russia will start using her really having guns (MLRS, TOS-1, heavy artillery like the 240mm self-propelled gun-mortar 2S4 Tyulpan or the 203mm self-propelled howitzer 2S7M Malka) and even fuel-air explosives like this one: (I know, it’s from CNN, but in this case, it is helpful)

In other words, the real magnitude of the Ukrainian defeat will become impossible to conceal in just a few days. Then the narrative will shift from the “invincible Ukie Volkssturn” to “Russian atrocities”.

That narrative will also probably stick since the western free press makes the original Nazi press look outright diverse and objective. But idiots such as the troll above will be very, very butthurt. I expect their “oy veh!!!!” to reach high heavens and heroic Ukies will be replaced by no less heroic celebrities sobbing over Ukie babies.

On a strategic level, the Empire of Lies did successfully force Russia to openly intervene. That is a fact and that is a defeat with the Russians will have to ponder over for many years. I will repeat, here are two, alas very real, western victories:

• Forcing Russia to openly intervene
• Very effectively controlling the narrative

But don’t get too upset too soon. For one thing, the authorities in Russia have FINALLY declared both Dozhd and Meduza as foreign agents and it seems these two zioliberal sewers are finally being shut down. Seeing how Medvedev is trying to repaint himself as a patriot, I think that the Atlantic Integrationists are now realizing that they were stupid to listen to the western propaganda. I have not followed the Russian 6th column at all, so I don’t know if they are still hoping that “Putin” (for them it is all about him, personally) will “lose” or whether they will chose to wrap themselves into the “too little, too late, I could have done better” flag. Frankly, I don’t really care.

Next, they will start seeing Russian 5th columnists and assorted “liberal” their signatures away from their “open letters” or, better, emigrating to the EU or Israel. I sincerely wish them a happy flight and I hope that upon leaving Putin’s Mordor and arriving in the Free West they will all burn their Russian passports (on camera if they want).

So, what’s my “final intermediate conclusion” after week 1?​

The West gave Russia a bloody nose by forcing her intervention, thereby crushing any chance for the EU to get decolonized in the next decade or more.

The West gave Russia an even bloodier nose by very effectively controlling the narrative.

But what’s next?

Russia will/has disarm(ed) and will soon denazify the Ukraine, that is a given.

But what after that? Please remember that this is NOT about the Ukraine, this is about the entire future security architecture of Europe.

I will just say this: while, no, Russia won’t invade the EU or even Poland, the Russian war to push back NATO has only begun, it will last MANY MONTHS so be prepared for this. MONTHS.

http://thesaker.is/one-week-into-the-russian-special-operation-in-the-ukraine-update/

 

[Madni Bappa]

Sweden and Finland have WMDs??