Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments

[jhungary]

Looks like Poland called the US bluff. noone has the courage to deliver the jets.

Think The Ukrainian said they are going to Poland to pick it up.

But the thing is, any fighter flew from NATO country to Ukraine may trigger Russian response. (Whether or not they will attack Poland or Germany or anyone is another question) So the aircraft would most likely to be delivered in truck and assemble in Ukraine.

That is probably why they are headed to Germany, I don't think Poland have the facilities to take down the plane.

Well he can bring in the TU-160s.

That's still the same, as they are already engaging Civilian Area. You cannot destroy a Civic center twice....

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

That's still the same, as they are already engaging Civilian Area. You cannot destroy a Civic center twice....

Let's take a looky at Syria...

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Desert Storm don't count? Russian tactics? Massive SAMs?

Vietnam is the appropriate comparison since they used a full Russian system. Iraq had French data networks.

Vietnam shot down 3700+ fixed wing planes over 10 years. 3 planes a day.

 

[Oldman1]

Vietnam is the appropriate comparison since they used a full Russian system. Iraq had French data networks.

Vietnam shot down 3700+ fixed wing planes over 10 years. 3 planes a day.

Losing 75 aircraft is nothing to sneeze at either during Desert Storm.

 

[jhungary]

Let's take a looky at Syria...

I know, I am not discussing how Russia will be able to do it, I am saying the end result is the same.

City centre will be destroyed whether or not they send in Tu-95 or Tu-160 or just by Grad and 155 howitzer. Saying they will destroy them faster or more throughout does not alter the cards that's are already on the table.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Losing 75 aircraft is nothing to sneeze at either during Desert Storm.

OK. Let's compare. Desert Storm air campaign was 1 week, 75 coalition planes lost. 52 fixed wing, 23 helicopters.

This is week 2 of Russian campaign. Ukraine claims 44 fixed wing and 48 helicopters downed.

So Russia is losing less fixed wing planes per week and equal helicopters per week compared to US led coalition did in Desert Storm by Ukrainian claims.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Vietnam shot down 3700+ fixed wing planes over 10 years. 3 planes a day.

No, please list your source.

List of aircraft losses of the Vietnam War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

All told, the U.S. Air Force flew 5.25 million sorties over South Vietnam, North Vietnam, northern and southern Laos, and Cambodia, losing 2,251 aircraft: 1,737 to hostile action, and 514 in accidents. 2,197 of the losses were fixed-wing, and the remainder rotary-wing

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

No

List of aircraft losses of the Vietnam War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

All told, the U.S. Air Force flew 5.25 million sorties over South Vietnam, North Vietnam, northern and southern Laos, and Cambodia, losing 2,251 aircraft: 1,737 to hostile action, and 514 in accidents. 2,197 of the losses were fixed-wing, and the remainder rotary-wing

See line 4 of your link:

In total, the United States military lost in Vietnam almost 10,000 aircraft, helicopters and UAVs (3,744 planes,[3] 5,607 helicopters[2] and 578 UAVs[1] ).

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

See line 4 of your link:

Ah yes my mistake that was only air force losses.

Actually it says
"In total, the U.S. lost 3,374 fixed wing aircraft in combat during the war; in both North and South Vietnam"

 

[Wood]

Think The Ukrainian said they are going to Poland to pick it up.

But the thing is, any fighter flew from NATO country to Ukraine may trigger Russian response. (Whether or not they will attack Poland or Germany or anyone is another question) So the aircraft would most likely to be delivered in truck and assemble in Ukraine.

That is probably why they are headed to Germany, I don't think Poland have the facilities to take down the plane.


That's still the same, as they are already engaging Civilian Area. You cannot destroy a Civic center twice....

I was also thinking that the aircrafts have to be disassembled and reassembled. But what is the practical feasibility for this in such a war? In a week from now, Russia could have air dominance and seize all run ways. Would the Ukranians be able to put the aircraft together by themselves before the Russians can pummel them? Would they even know how to do it? This is not IKEA furniture afterall

 

[Oldman1]

OK. Let's compare. Desert Storm air campaign was 1 week, 75 coalition planes lost. 52 fixed wing, 23 helicopters.

This is week 2 of Russian campaign. Ukraine claims 44 fixed wing and 48 helicopters downed.

So Russia is losing less fixed wing planes per week and equal helicopters per week compared to US led coalition did in Desert Storm by Ukrainian claims.

Have you not seen how formidable Iraq's SAMs and other air defense systems were?

You don't see this crap in Ukraine.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Ah yes my mistake that was only air force losses.

no problem. the reality is that Russian losses going by historical precedent aren't all that bad. The real problem is that they're on a clock.

 

[Wood]

Covert Cabals take on the Russian campaign so far

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Have you not seen how formidable Iraq's SAMs and other air defense systems were?

You don't see this crap in Ukraine.

That's anti air gun tracer rounds. After rocket motor flameout I don't think you can see a SAM anymore.

 

[Qutb-ud-din-Aibak]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1501344494184185860

I have hard time believing this but would be interesting to see how they will do that nonetheless