Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

 

[Maula Jatt]

Ruskis already burning their casualties...

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Good to see

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Good to see

Not good for the loved ones of the soldiers.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Not good for the loved ones of the soldiers.

Shouldn't have invaded someone else's lands

 

[Madni Bappa]

Do you have any examples of your claim ? Because destroyed or damaged Russian equipments are easily differentiated from Ukrainian ones.

Some people can't just take it that the "second's most powerful army" is being bullied in Ukraine and that the amount of equipment destroyed or abandoned is astonishing.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1498778718256476160

There's many examples. One specific if Ukrainian disinfo claiming to capture a Russian officer and making him say Slava Ukraini. But the guy was one of their own Nazi militias.

His pictures are in this thread if you go back a few pages.

There's tons of other sh!t like this. So far I believe only Russian Ka52 being shot down and IVECO LAVs being destroyed are real.

Especially Ukrainian destroyed AD systems being claimed as Russian is total BS.

 

[Vergennes]

There's tons of other sh!t like this. So far I believe only Russian Ka52 being shot down and IVECO LAVs being destroyed are real.

Especially Ukrainian destroyed AD systems being claimed as Russian is total BS.

Continue to live in your own lala land,everything is just zionist propaganda I guess lol,when all the hardware destroyed shown aren't even in Ukraine's inventory or if they are,of different versions,easily recognizable.

 

[Khan vilatey]

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-01-22/index.html

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Russia's 40-mile convoy appears to have bogged down 15 miles from Kyiv; shells pound Ukrainian city of Kharkiv. Live updates.​

Tom Vanden BrookJohn BaconJorge L. OrtizCelina Tebor
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A massive, 40-mile convoy of Russian tanks and vehicles appeared to bog down on its push toward the capital of Kyiv on Tuesday while residential areas of Kharkiv, Ukraine's second-largest city, were being pounded by Russian shells.
The Russian military advance drew to within 15 miles of Kyiv’s center amid signs that troops are running out of gas and food, a senior U.S. Defense Department official said Tuesday. Russia has committed about 80% of the combat force President Vladimir Putin deployed to invade Ukraine, the official said.
Ukrainian resistance is continuing, and it has helped stymie the advance, according to the official who briefed reporters on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence findings. It is also possible the Russians are pausing to regroup and reassess their attack, the official said.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said he spoke with President Joe Biden on Tuesday concerning Russian sanctions and defense assistance to Ukraine. The White House confirmed that they spoke for more than 30 minutes.
"We must stop the aggressor as soon as possible," Zelenskyy tweeted. "Thank you for your support!"
Biden is expected to speak about the crisis in Ukraine on Tuesday night as part of his State of the Union address to a joint session of Congress. Here's how to watch Biden's speech.

In Kharkiv, at least 11 people were killed and 35 wounded in the rocket strike, Interior Ministry adviser Anton Herashchenko said, adding that the death toll is expected to rise. Closed-circuit television footage showed a fireball engulfing a street in front of one building, and a few cars rolled out of the billowing smoke.
Hospital workers transferred a Kharkiv maternity ward to a bomb shelter. Amid mattresses piled up against the walls, pregnant women paced the crowded space to the cries of dozens of newborns.

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Zelenskyy called the attack on the city's main square “frank, undisguised terror. Nobody will forgive. Nobody will forget. This attack on Kharkiv is a war crime.”
Zelenskyy said he believes Russian shelling of civilian areas is an attempt by Russia to put pressure on Ukraine to make concessions. No peace deal can be reached “when one side is hitting another with rocket artillery,” he said.
In Geneva, dozens of diplomats from the U.S., the U.K. and other European countries walked out in protest when Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov was addressing the UN Human Rights Council and Conference on Disarmament.
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Latest updates:
►At least two international humanitarian groups accused Russia of using cluster bombs, which open in the air and rain down multiple explosives over a wide area with little accuracy. Moscow denied the allegation.
►In Moscow, people lined up to withdraw cash as sanctions imposed by the West threatened to drive up prices and reduce the standard of living for millions of ordinary Russians. The Russian currency plunged, making the ruble worth less than a penny.
►At least 677,000 refugees have already fled from Ukraine into neighboring countries, most to Poland, said Filippo Grandi, the U.N. high commissioner for refugees.
►Zelenskyy, in an address to the European parliament Tuesday, said his country is fighting "to be equal members of Europe. We have proven that, as a minimum, we are the same as you.”

►The State Department has closed the U.S. Embassy in Belarus, a Russian neighbor and supporter, and is allowing non-essential staff at the U.S. Embassy in Russia to leave the country.
►The Swiss-based company that built the Nord Stream 2 pipeline that was supposed to transport gas from Russia to Germany before it was shut down by sanctions may file for bankruptcy, Reuters reported.
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Ukraine: Attack on TV tower kills 5, damages Babi Yar Holocaust Center​

Russian strikes on Kyiv’s TV tower killed five people, wounded others and damaged the Babi Yar Holocaust Memorial Center, Ukrainian authorities said. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's office tweeted that a "powerful barrage" was underway and that a missile hit the center.
The Nazis shot tens of thousands of people at Babi Yar, including almost the entire Jewish population of Kyiv.
"To the world: what is the point of saying 'never again' for 80 years, if the world stays silent when a bomb drops on the same site of Babyn Yar?" Zerenskyy tweeted. "At least 5 killed. History repeating…"

US official: Russian force may be regrouping​

The 40-mile convoy approaching Kyiv has made little progress because of resistance and a lack of gas and food, according to a senior U.S. Defense Department official who briefed reporters on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence findings.
The official said the Russians also are likely protecting the convoy, explaining why it does not appear to have been attacked. The airspace over Ukraine continues to be contested by Ukrainian and Russian forces, the official said.

There are also signs that there are morale problems among Russian troops, many of whom have been drafted into service, the official said, declining to say how the Pentagon has made that assessment. Many of the soldiers are young men who have not been thoroughly trained or even aware why they were sent to Ukraine.
The Russians, however, have a potent force in and around Ukraine, the official said.
The Russians have systems capable of launching thermobaric weapons in Ukraine, the official said. Those fuel-air weapons are used primarily to kill people on the ground or in bunkers.
– Tom Vanden Brook

Ukraine refugees find open doors through online sites​

At a time when desperate Ukrainians are fleeing their country by the hundreds of thousands, online connections are helping them find refuge in other countries.
Facebook groups such as Host A Sister and Accommodation, Help & Shelter for Ukraine are among the sites serving as a link between those escaping the war in Ukraine and hosts willing to open their doors to them.
Iryna Yarmolenko, who served as a council member for the Ukrainian city of Bucha, fled with her mother and 5-year-old son last week and found a safe place with a couple in Lublin, Poland, after posting a request for help on the Host A Sister page.
"Even if it was just with their words: 'Iryna, we are here. Tell me what you need,' ... I felt myself not so alone." she said. "I was totally broken because I left all my stuff, all my dreams, all my house, all my career, all my everything."
– Bailey Schulz and Eve Chen

Ice skating, skiing and basketball join growing list of sports entities barring Russians​

In addition to the economic sanctions piling up against Russia for invading Ukraine, the sports bans continue to mount.
On Tuesday, Russia was barred from competing in international ice skating, skiing, basketball, track and some tennis events, a day after being kicked out of soccer competitions and hockey – President Vladimir Putin’s favorite team sport. The decisions follow the IOC’s request to international sports federations to keep Russian athletes out of events they organize.
The International Skating Union, which runs the sport around the world, said it won't allow any competitors from Russia to participate in its events, which would exclude Olympic champion Anna Shcherbakova and 15-year-old star Kamila Valieva from the world figure skating championships in France later this month. Athletes from Belarus, which has supported Russia's attack, will also be barred.

Court will look into whether Russia has committed war crimes. What exactly are they?​

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has accused Russia of committing war crimes during the invasion, and the International Criminal Court's prosecutor said he would investigate.
But what exactly are war crimes? Are they attacks on civilian populations? Launching rockets into residential areas? Other forms of cruelty in what's an inherently brutal endeavor like war?
The definition of a war crime has evolved over time, but Dustin Lewis, research director for the Harvard Law School Program on International Law and Armed Conflict, said it encompasses two criteria.
"First, the conduct must be committed with a sufficient connection to an armed conflict,'' he said. "Second, the conduct must constitute a serious violation of the laws and customs of international humanitarian law that has been criminalized by international treaty or customary law."
– Ryan W. Miller

Mayor describes Kharkiv's situation as 'pretty grave'​

Kharkiv Mayor Ihor Terekhov said Tuesday that his government remained in control but said the city is surrounded by Russian troops.

“Military equipment and armored vehicles are coming from different directions,” he told The Washington Post in a phone interview.
Terekhov said a government building and the opera and ballet theater were among buildings shelled. Transformer stations were also struck by artillery, cutting off power to much of the city, he said. The shelling stalled efforts to supply the city with food and medical supplies, he said.
“There are casualties, and by now, there are certainly a lot more of them, after the night and morning shelling,” he told the Post. “The situation is pretty grave.”

Diplomats in Geneva walk out on Lavrov speech​

More than 100 diplomats from dozens of nations walked out on a speech by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov to the U.N. Human Rights Council on Tuesday in protest of the invasion. Lavrov spoke remotely from Russia because he said his flight path to Geneva was blocked by governments that closed their airspace to Russian planes. He accused the West of "Russophobic frenzy."
Ambassador Michèle Taylor, the U.S. representative to the council, said the diplomats were working to ensure Russia's leaders were held accountable for the "illegal war" against Ukraine.
"As widespread human rights abuses continue + civilian casualties mount, we #StandwithUkraine in rejecting Lavrov’s lies," Taylor tweeted. "Russia is isolated."

Actor Sean Penn flees Ukraine on foot​

Filmmaker and actor Sean Penn confirmed he has evacuated to Poland after spending time in Ukraine working on a documentary about the conflict. The actor shared a photo of himself Monday carrying a suitcase while walking along the side of a backed-up highway as many others attempted to flee Ukraine.
"Myself & two colleagues walked miles to the Polish border after abandoning our car on the side of the road," Penn wrote. "Almost all the cars in this photo carry women & children only, most without any sign of luggage, and a car their only possession of value."
Penn said Putin has made a "most horrible mistake for all of humankind" and that Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian people "have risen as historic symbols of courage and principle. Ukraine is the tip of the spear for the democratic embrace of dreams."
Penn's visit drew accolades from Zelenskyy.
"Sean Penn demonstrates the courage that many others, especially western politicians lack," the president's office wrote on Facebook. "The director specially came to Kiev to record all the events that are currently happening in Ukraine and to tell the world the truth about Russia's invasion of our country."
– Elise Brisco

Cities under siege: A look at Kyiv and Kharkiv by the numbers​

The war has thrown a global spotlight on Ukraine's two largest cities, Kyiv and Kharkiv. Kyiv's (KEE-ev) population of 2.7 million people would make it the third largest in the U.S. slightly ahead of Chicago. The city covers 330 square miles – bigger than Chicago or New York, about the size of San Diego. Kyiv is in north central Ukraine, not far from the borders with Russia and Belarus. Ukrainian and Russian are commonly spoken in the city, among the oldest in Eastern Europe.
Kharkiv (kar-KEEV), 300 miles east of Kyiv and near the Russian border, has a population of about 1.4 million spread over about 135 square miles – about the size of Philadelphia, which has a population of about 1.5 million.
Ukraine has a population of about 44 million people, 4 million more than California, and is about 233,000 square miles – a bit smaller than Texas.

NATO chief says nuclear alert level unchanged​

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg on Tuesday visited troops in Poland with Polish President Andrzej Duda. Poland shares a border with Ukraine, and the air base in the central Poland city of Lask is home to NATO’s Polish and U.S. F-15 and F-16 fighter jets.
"We are increasing our presence in the east to defend & protect our people," Stoltenberg said in a social media post. "Allies are stepping up support for #Ukraine & imposing costs on #Russia. The world stands with Ukraine in calling for peace."
Despite Russia’s threats about nuclear weapons, the alliance sees no need to change its nuclear weapons alert level, Stoltenberg said. And while Ukraine is not a member of NATO, it is the alliance's responsibility to “ensure that we don’t see a development where a conflict in Ukraine spiraled out of control and becomes a full-fledged confrontation between NATO and Russia in Europe."

Google, other big tech firms grapple with Russian state media, propaganda​

Big tech platforms have begun restricting Russian state media from using their platforms to spread propaganda and misinformation. Google announced Tuesday that it's blocking the YouTube channels of those outlets in Europe effective immediately but said it could take some time to get all of them removed. Other U.S.-owned tech companies have also taken steps, including labeling more content so people know it originated with the Russian government and cutting Russian state organizations off from ad revenue.
The changes are intended to slow the Kremlin from pumping propaganda into social media feeds without persuading Russian officials to block their citizens from access to platforms during a crucial time of war, said Katie Harbath, a former public policy director for Facebook. Read more here.
"They’re trying to walk this very fine line; they’re doing this dance,” she said.

War threatens Russian space partnerships with US, Europe​

Russia's invasion of Ukraine has raised concerns about the country's relationship with the United States in space, a union that has remained intact despite geopolitical rifts between the two countries.
Four NASA astronauts, two Russian cosmonauts and one European Space Agency astronaut are stationed aboard the International Space Station, their home traveling 17,500 mph some 200 mile above Earth – where Russia has drawn international rebuke for its invasion of Ukraine. NASA astronaut Mark Vande Hei is scheduled to return March 30 aboard a Russian spacecraft.
President Joe Biden has promised sanctions will target the Russian aerospace industry, a warning that led to a tweet from Russian space chief Dmitry Rogozin asking "who will save the ISS from an uncontrolled deorbit and fall into the United States or Europe."
The European Space Agency also works with Russia. A planned launch of a European-Russian mission to Mars this year is "very unlikely," the space agency said Monday.
– Emre Kelly, Florida Today

Artillery kills over 70 Ukrainian soldiers at military base, official says​

More than 70 Ukrainian soldiers were killed after Russian artillery hit a military base in Okhtyrka, a city between Kharkiv and Kyiv, the head of the region wrote on Telegram. Dmytro Zhyvytskyy posted photographs of the charred shell of a four-story building and rescuers searching rubble. In a later Facebook post, he said many Russian soldiers and some residents also were killed during the fighting on Sunday. The report could not immediately be confirmed.
– Celina Tebor

Disney, Sony Pictures, Warner Bros. halt release of films in Russia​

The Walt Disney Co., Sony Pictures Entertainment and Warner Bros. are joining the list of businesses retaliating against Russia over its invasion of Ukraine. Disney is pausing the release of theatrical films in Russia, including the upcoming “Turning Red” from Pixar, in response to the attack, the company said in a statement Monday. Disney said it is working with nongovernmental organizations to provide aid and other humanitarian assistance to refugees.
WarnerMedia is putting the release of The Batman on hold in Russia. The film starring Robert Pattinson had been set to open in Russia on Thursday. “We will continue to monitor the situation as it evolves,” Warner Bros. said in a statement. “We hope for a swift and peaceful resolution to this tragedy.”
Sony Pictures is also pausing planned theatrical releases in Russia, including the upcoming release of Morbius, which is due out in early April,
"Our thoughts and prayers are with all those who have been impacted and hope this crisis will be resolved quickly," Sony Pictures told USA TODAY in a statement.
– Michael Collins

Mastercard blocks financial institutions over sanctions on Russia​

Mastercard announced Monday that it was blocking "multiple financial institutions from the Mastercard payment network" as a result of sanctions imposed on Russia over its invasion of Ukraine. The U.S.-based financial services company said in a statement it will continue to work with regulators to stay in compliance and is actively monitoring and preparing to respond to cyberattacks. Mastercard also said it would donate $2 million in humanitarian relief.
The U.S. and EU have sanctioned top Kremin officials and Russian elites as well as taken steps to remove Russian banks from the SWIFT network, which allows for payments between financial institutions, and to restrict Russia’s use of its massive foreign currency reserves.
– Celina Tebor
Contributing: The Associated Press

For all who can’t understand why Russians have not attacked kiyv yet. I have the answer

They are waiting for the United Nations General Assembly vote tomorrow Wednesday March 2 ,2022.

Imagine a vote after visuals of the Russian army raising a capital to the ground!

I also don’t understand one more thing why would the Russian army follow a western time table for their invasion. People it’s been 6 days so far. The gains they made are significant.

Just so we are all clear I stand with Ukraine Russia is illegally occupying a weaker people by force just like India is doing to the Kashmiris

K

 

[Madni Bappa]

Continue to live in your own lala land,everything is just zionist propaganda I guess lol,when all the hardware destroyed shown aren't even in Ukraine's inventory or if they are,of different versions,easily recognizable.

I think what you're trying to do on a Pakistani forum. Will have more impact if you peddle it on Twitter. We people of East i e Asia and Middle East have been targets of Western Judeo Christian militaries and media for too long. Know all the tricks.

In the opening volley of the war. Russians rained down missiles on Ukrainian radar and AD vehicles. Dumb Ukrainian Nazis were showing them hours later as destroyed Russian Air Defense when Russian columns were miles away still from those locations.

Also I don't think Russians have big need for AD because the mighty "Ghost of Kiev" has turned out to be just that. A ghost. The fake claim by Ukrainians that other E.European countries will give them jets has also been debunked as fake news.

For all who can’t understand why Russians have not attacked kiyv yet. I have the answer

They are waiting for the United Nations General Assembly vote tomorrow Wednesday March 2 ,2022.

Imagine a vote after visuals of the Russian army raising a capital to the ground!

I also don’t understand one more thing why would the Russian army follow a western time table for their invasion. People it’s been 6 days so far. The gains they made are significant.

Just so we are all clear I stand with Ukraine Russia is illegally occupying a weaker people by force just like India is doing to the Kashmiris

K

If Mexico or Canada suddenly become Russian ally and start hosting Russian ICBMs. What will US do?

 

[NotSure]

3.) Sorry was meant to say flat land. The problem is that Russia still have not control the air even after day 6, running large Armor Column in open field is going to make it easy prey on Ukrainian Air Asset.

Also, it's worth notice that the tradition engagement distant for Javelin is 800-1200 meters, somewhat within T-80/ T-90 gun range (Which is about 1500), technically, you can engage Russia Armor with Javelin (Not sure what is the spec of N-LAW) outside T80/T-90 Gun range at 2000 meter, but the operator would have to be very skilful, because there are a lot of adjustment to make, and I am not sure if Ukrainian are that skilled on using Javelin. So I would suggest that they are probably engaging Russian Armor at range about 800 to 1000 meters

Lol, you as a "military expert" really believing the gun range of a T-90 is 1500m? I repeat: 1500m? From were you got this utter nonsense?

This is within the effective range of a 30mm automatic canon like the 2A42, not the 125mm! And you are even talking here about an engagement against infantery, means HE-Frag will be used. Even the 30mm autocanon can shoot your infantery from 2km away to pieces with its 30mm x 165mm HE-Frag rounds like 3UOF8.

 

[khansaheeb]

Let us get international laws straight...As much as laws can be in wars...

Technically speaking, the correct words are 'combatant' and 'non-combatant'. That mean a civilian can be a combatant, and that is not wordplay. Resistance or partisan fighters are civilians but also are combatants. Guerrilla fighters are civilians as well combatants. Most military members are combatants. Why 'most'? Because chaplains and medics are non-combatants. Chaplains are forbidden to carry arms. Medics can carry arms for self protection and to protect the wounded under their care, but they are non-combatants. If a medic become a member of an attacking force take part in an attack, then he lost his non-combatant status. But if all he does is respond to calls for his service, then he remains a non-combatant.

You can kill a combatant but not a non-combatant. It is a war crime to kill non-combatants.

The leader of a country have the moral right to call civilians to arms for defense of country. If anyone respond, he becomes a combatant. He can fight with his own weapons or that issued to him by the government or by the resistance organization. He can even fight with his bare hands if he want.

For any civilian to be a combatant, he must distinguish himself somehow. He can wear the uniform of the military, or he can, with other civilians, wear some unique piece of clothing to show they are combatants. The Geneva Convention does not require a formal uniform as that of the military. Just as long as the civilian display a unique outerwear of some kind to show that he is a combatant.

Doctors without borders | The Practical Guide to Humanitarian Law

According to the Third Geneva Convention, combatants are:

• members of the armed forces of a party to the conflict, as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces (GCIII Art. 4.a.1); or
• members of regular armed forces, even those that profess allegiance to a government or authority not recognized by the adverse power (GCIII Art. 4.a.3); or
• members of other militias and members of volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements belonging to a party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfill the following conditions:
  1. that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;
  2. that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;
  3. that of carrying arms openly;
  4. that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war (GCIII Art. 4.a.2);
• inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war (GCIII Art. 4.a.6).

Which country believes in rules at times of war? -"You can kill a combatant but not a non-combatant. It is a war crime to kill non-combatants."

Lol, you as a "military expert" really believing the gun range of a T-90 is 1500m? I repeat: 1500m? From were you got this utter nonsense?

This is within the effective range of a 30mm automatic canon like the 2A42, not the 125mm! And you are even talking here about an engagement against infantery, means HE-Frag will be used. Even the 30mm autocanon can shoot your infantery from 2km away to pieces with its 30mm x 165mm HE-Frag rounds like 3UOF8.

The T-90 main battle tank is a armed with a fully-stabilized 2A46M 125 mm smoothbore gun. Effective range of fire with APFSDS round is 2 000-3 000 m day and 2 000-2 600 m at night. Armor penetration is around 590-630 mm at 2 000 m range.

T-90 Main Battle Tank | Military-Today.com

The T-90 main battle tank is a further development of the T-72. The T-90 was accepted to service with Russian army in 1993 and it's low-rate production commenced in 1994. It is the most modern tank currently in service with Russian army. The T-90 is also among 10 best main battle tanks in the world.

www.military-today.com

 

[Paul2]

The T-90 main battle tank is a armed with a fully-stabilized 2A46M 125 mm smoothbore gun. Effective range of fire with APFSDS round is 2 000-3 000 m day and 2 000-2 600 m at night. Armor penetration is around 590-630 mm at 2 000 m range.

Do you know that these rounds don't explode, and don't have shrapnel? ...

 

[Areesh]

because of person of Pakistan origin...

By the way Mr. Elite, have you too gained you title by commenting on people's origin, orientation and black humour?

No. You are not of Pakistani origin

Stop lying pajeet

 

[khansaheeb]

Do you know that these rounds don't explode, and don't have shrapnel? ...

Guess it depends on the payload they attach.

 

[beast89]

Russia is showing restraint yet as each day passes it becomes more grim Ukraine.

 

[jhungary]

Lol, you as a "military expert" really believing the gun range of a T-90 is 1500m? I repeat: 1500m? From were you got this utter nonsense?

This is within the effective range of a 30mm automatic canon like the 2A42, not the 125mm! And you are even talking here about an engagement against infantery, means HE-Frag will be used. Even the 30mm autocanon can shoot your infantery from 2km away to pieces with its 30mm x 165mm HE-Frag rounds like 3UOF8.

I said "Engagement distant" and you are quoting "Maximum Range", that is why I said the Javelin engagement distant is 800 to 1200 meters, when the "MAXIMUM RANGE" is depends on type of missile from 2500 to 4000 (CLU Lightweight) meters

FGM-148 Javelin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

First of all, ALL AT MISSILE designed to outrange Tank Gun, this is not WW2, we don't hide under foxhole and shoot missile on the tank belly.

Try shooting a AT Round on a T80/T-90 with no computer stabilised system at 2000 meters and you will see what? I was a 19A (Armor Officer) I tried that on a M1 Abrams (with better computer control) and you would not be able to hit a target at what we refer to as "Skirt Range" beyond 2000 meters. But of course, wannabe like you would have no way to know.

Another post showing you know NOTHING about Military And the fact you jump on the wrong term itself is PRICELESS LOL

HAHAHA.......sorry, I have to laugh....