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No decent person supports war.

On this we can agree. War stinks. It is a sin against man and god.

Two countries , so blessed with land and resources , have no reason to fight.

By the end of WW1 , about a 100 years ago , there were approximately 5,000 heavy guns on the fronts .Now the the number of artillery pieces come close to that. So what have humanity learned in a 100 years ?


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Aye, it's a conundrum alright. Do we side with the democracy that got invaded by a country that signed a treaty promising not to invade it 30 years ago, or do we side with the country run by a kleptocratic mafia that regularly threatens to nuke the west. A real head scratcher this is

lol , had to look up kleptocratic in the dictionary ,

Comes from the Greek words : kléptēs, "thief", κλέπτω kléptō, "I steal"

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I think its the other way around, EU needs Russia. EU is an dysfunctional amalgamation of disinterest with poor natural resources and horrific demographics. Russia is energy rich, abundant natural resources, and a military powerhouse. EU technical knowhow + Russia's energy/resources produced an industrial power house. US/Nato turned Russia into Euro enemy #1, and now Europe just increased its production cost greatly and lost a big market in Russia. So Putin's shift to Asia is really EU's loss. US strategically benefit from Ukraine war in the long run because Euro will be less able to compete with USD. Asian coutries also wins because Russian oil will be readily/cheaply available to industrialize asia. India is also a big winner since oil is essential to infrastructure buildout.


I just enjoyed all the footages, it's like Truman's show on steroids.
In term of Economic hostility, Russia needed EU more than EU need Russia.

It's all about Alternative market. And the lost of profit that comes with.

First of all, while EU will suffer in the short term, it's most likely is not a catastrophic event for EU that is simply based on 2 assumption

1.) There are alternative supplier in lieu of Russian oil and gas (US, Canada and Middle East)
2.) The price inflated is about 20-30%, while it will take a hit on industry, it's not fatal, also, it will be incurred in end user anyway, most of EU product are not solely intent for EU market. EU government can and most likely will subsidize those affected in a short term basis just like they do with COVID 19 Pandemic Relief.

Which mean it will be projected with a price/cost ratio hike probably in 2022 and 2023, but then it will be stabilised as alternative market emerges.

On the other hand EU buy 41% of all Russian Oil and Gas Product. While Russia can transfer some of the deficit to China and/or India, but that is to a point. First of all, both China and India have their own oil and gas contract from other source (Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Iran and so on) You cannot just dump these contract and switch to Russian oil and gas completely, on the other hand, would India and China willing to go along the EU road to solely depends on Russian energy seeing how EU make a mess out of this, that is another question.

Second of all, Russia will be heavily discounting those energy product in order to sell it to China and India. Sure, right now oil and gas price is high so that loss is not really showing, but what if oil go down to $90 a barrel? You cannot expect Brent crude will forever be $120 a barrel, it WILL come down, and what happen then? conventional estimate Russia is giving upward to 40% discount for China and Indian oil account, they won't be able to make any money if Brent Crude price go back down, which eventually US and OPEC will ramp up production and the logistic issue is going to be solved and price will come down.

Finally, would China and India willing to take off what EU and US left off? You are talking about a large amount of oil and gas (hundred of billions of dollars) on a yoy basis and the requirement are there, but it is not going to be the same demand used to be from EU. Setting aside whether or not China or India will ditch alternative market and solely import Russian energy product. You only buy something as long as you need it, and when oil and gas start flooding Chinese and India market, that appetite would probably last for a few year and will be lost once the need is satisfy and also stock with sizable strategic reserve, anything more than that is just waste, just because Russia have cheap oil and gas to sell does not mean China and India are going to buy it.

So in this situation, EU will be in underhand for a short run, but Russia is worse off in a long run. And I just don't see how EU or China/India would depends solely on Russian energy product ever again. Which mean Russia will turn into Venezuela 2.0.
 
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Didn't u scumbags claim to be champions of freedom of speech? Why u dont like free speech anymore? U r the scumbag who proudly talks about killing women and children, maybe we should report that to german authorities.

Thing is, if my input qualifies as an offense to German or EU authorities, then this user's posts will definitely meet the criteria to a much greater extent.

Knowing that the user, under their former and current aliases, has:

* Disparaged groups of people based on their sole "ethno"-national backgrounds. This is a case of so-called "Volksverhetzung" (incitement to racial hatred) according to German criminal law, and it carries heavily penalties.

* In the same vein, exalted western "supremacy" over other cultures, peoples, nations.

* Advocated war of extermination against Russians, with reduction of the Russian population mentioned as an explicit goal per se.

* Declared that they have personally incited physical violence against immigrants in Italy.

* Been apologetic towards policies they characterized as resulting in large scale starvation of Indians.

* Told another forum user they would consider the latter's death a price they'd be "willing to pay" in order to "live free".

* Glorified the murder of women and children, as well as justifying the killing of civilians more generally.

* Indicated that they would have personally taken part in certain operations known to have included a terrorist bombing against ordinary European civilians.

* Referred to themself as a "psychopath" and bragged about how a "friend" collected a body part of a dead Russian, compounding the suspicion that they may represent a threat to public safety.

So frankly, user "Apollon" would be well advised not to try and report another member of Pakistan Defence Forum to state authorities of any kind, given the vast amounts of legally attackable material they themself posted on the very same forum. Just saying.
 
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Denmark lost Schleswig-Holstein to Germany in Denmark Germany war. Why don't you take that back?
You mean Denmark lost to Prussia and Austria, in this war you most probably have zero knowlegde about. FYI the northern part of Schleswig reunited with Denmark in 1920, the southern part voted for Germany.
 
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So how is Lavrovs multipolar world supposed to work.

You had several blocks
1. USA
2. China
3. EU
4. Russia

With EU weaning itself from American influence/control.
Russia gaining from being able to trade with both east and west, and become a silkroute hub.


Now thanks to russias attempt to annex ukraine…eu is weakened and more reliant on usa again.
Russia is also damaged, and loses its trade with their biggest customer. Now simply becoming Chinas cheap source of resources…fully its junior “partner” now.


The 2 already slightly weaker blocks got weakened further in favor of the two superpowers
 
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You mean Denmark lost to Prussia and Austria, in this war you most probably have zero knowlegde about. FYI the northern part of Schleswig reunited with Denmark in 1920, the southern part voted for Germany.
I have NEVER EVER heard of someone referring to Second Schleswig War as Denmark Germany war..........The only Denmark Germany war in the last 200 years was when Nazi Germany invaded and occupied Denmark on August 9, 1940...

If that dude have a computer and wikipedia, he probably know which war he should have been referring to, it's not a big ask to look up some history before comment on stuff like that, hell you can even watch the DR production of 1864 before you comment and you still wouldn't made that mistake.
 
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Thing is, if my input qualifies as an offense to German or EU authorities, then this user's posts will definitely meet the criteria to a far higher degree.

Knowing that the user, under their former and current aliases, has:

* Disparaged groups of people based on their sole "ethno"-national backgrounds. This is a case of so-called "Volksverhetzung" (incitement to racial hatred) according to German criminal law, and it carries heavily penalties.

* In the same vein, exalted western "supremacy" over other cultures, peoples, nations.

* Advocated war of extermination against Russians, with reduction of the Russian population mentioned as an explicit goal per se.

* Declared that they have personally incited physical violence against immigrants in Italy.

* Been apologetic towards policies they characterized as resulting in large scale starvation of Indians.

* Told another forum user they would consider the latter's death a price they'd be "willing to pay" in order to "live free".

* Glorified the murder of women and children, as well as justifying the killing of civilians more generally.

* Indicated that they would have personally taken part in certain operations known to have included a terrorist bombing against ordinary European civilians.

* Referred to themself as a "psychopath" and bragged about how a "friend" collected a body part of a dead Russian, compounding the suspicion that they may represent a threat to public security.

So frankly, user "Apollon" would be well advised not to try and report another member of Pakistan Defence Forum to state authorities of any kind, given the vast amounts of legally attackable material they themself posted on the very same forum. Just saying.

Apollon should be reported; however, I doubt he lives in Germany. My understanding of German laws is they don't tolerate the kind of dangerous rhetoric that he posts in pdf. So my advice to anyone in this forum who is living in Germany or EU is, report the user that goes by Apollon.

There is no way that what he states in this forum can fit the definition of "free speech" in EU. In America, he may have got away with it; but in EU, the laws when it comes to hate speech and incitement to violence are very clear.

 
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So how is Lavrovs multipolar world supposed to work.

You had several blocks
1. USA
2. China
3. EU
4. Russia

With EU weaning itself from American influence/control.
Russia gaining from being able to trade with both east and west, and become a silkroute hub.


Now thanks to russias attempt to annex ukraine…eu is weakened and more reliant on usa again.
Russia is also damaged, and loses its trade with their biggest customer. Now simply becoming Chinas cheap source of resources…fully its junior “partner” now.


The 2 already slightly weaker blocks got weakened further in favor of the two superpowers
Correction

Russia is an individual country not a bloc.
China is not a bloc, either.
EU is a bloc, an alliance of nations.
US is the sole superpower can be seen as super bloc.
Russia is basically a poor, primitive, less developed, authoritarian country.
China calls itself as largest developing country.

Lavrov himself is just a liar. Not a bloc.
 
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So how is Lavrovs multipolar world supposed to work.

You had several blocks
1. USA
2. China
3. EU
4. Russia

With EU weaning itself from American influence/control.
Russia gaining from being able to trade with both east and west, and become a silkroute hub.


Now thanks to russias attempt to annex ukraine…eu is weakened and more reliant on usa again.
Russia is also damaged, and loses its trade with their biggest customer. Now simply becoming Chinas cheap source of resources…fully its junior “partner” now.


The 2 already slightly weaker blocks got weakened further in favor of the two superpowers

EU could've chosen to be neutral in the Russia - Ukraine conflict, that way they wouldn't get weakened. Instead, the EU has chosen to align itself with Ukraine and the main power behind the Ukrainian regime - whose idiotic leadership provoked the Russian bear. So instead of blaming Russia, look at the impotency of EU leaders who failed to stand up to US/UK agenda in this conflict.
 
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