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jhungary said:
Were you asking why NCO is the backbone of every army or were you asking why Russia don't have an NCO corps?

Well, the reason why NCO corps are backbone of every army because it give you the flexibility to make your unit organic. There are two type of NCO, the professional soldier (the leader) and the Specialist (the technician) where it is common for soldier to climb the rank when you are up the ladder, you accumulated combat experience (or other experience if you are a specialist) but not leadership experience, giving command structure to NCO to have the flexibility to do what the NCO leader want means less work load for the guy in charge, and that don't just go at Platoon level, but Company level, Battalion level to even Brigade level.

Why? Take US Army as an example. The basic unit for deployment is Brigade Combat Team (BCT) which mean when you are deploy the 4000 or so men from the same Brigade will be deploy together, but being deployed together does not mean you are going to fight together, each Battalion in a single Brigade would be assigned to a certain Area of Operation (AO) and within each AO, you have Company and Platoon deployed independently with each other, so you can cover more ground instead of sending all the men in a giant blob of 4000 men.

So why NCO is important? Each Company have a Company First Sergeant (E-7), each Platoon have a platoon Sergeant (E-6) and each fireteam have a buck sergeant (E-5) each squad is commanded by a Corporal (E-4) so when a Platoon Leader (2LT) gave order, each unit within that Platoon (3 Fireteams, 6 Squad + 1 Heavy Weapon Squad) can take individual initiative so the buck sergeant can tell their squad where to go because they are the one that was fighting in that battlespace, they know better than the 2LT who in in charge of the entire battlefield, say for example, if I have to micromanage a squad, I would be at that squad and seeing what that Buck Sergeant see and make decision that way, if I do that, me as a Platoon Leader would lose the big picture because I am not looking at the overall situation, I am looking at that particular part of Battlefield. But If I delegate duty to that Fireteam leader and he in turn delegate that mission to his squad, then I am free to move my troop as will, and not bound by every little detail in the battlefield.

On the other hand, NCO or SNCO are also act as a mentor to the command structure, because the way they are organised. an NCO would have more experience than the person who command that unit. An O-3 commanding a Company would have 5-9 years of experience, a E-7 would have been in the army for almost 20 years An O-1/2 commanding a platoon would have less than 2 years of experience in the army, a platoon sergeant (E-6) would have 10+ year, which mean they are also a source of information, where you have the command, but don't have the experience, they compensate it by supplying their experience.

Russia do not have a functioning NCO corps. Their sergeant are most or less specialist and veteran which simply rose thru the rank. Which mean the company commander would have to micromanage every move and hence generally losing sight of the big picture. This is also why there are a quite a lot General got killed in this war because there are no one to oversee the battle, The small picture were not oversee by NCO because they don't have NCO. the big picture is not oversee by junior officer because they need to deal with the small picture, which mean the chain of command would have to be personally involved if there battle plan have to alter, which mean you have more General or Colonel in the firing line dealing with stuff Junior Officer are supposed to deal with, but they can't because they are busy dealing with every little thing in different corner of the battlefield. Which mean a company in Russia can take on less ground than a company in the US. Which I don't think I need to tell you, this is a bad thing.

As for why Russian Army does not have a NCO Corps? Well, the Soviet Doctrine (What the Russian followed) does not like splitting up power like that, all power are centralised, much like the government, you have an officer, and you have your troop, and when your troop disobey, the officer execute that man and make an example out of it, so how would it fare if you put Platoon Sergeant or Company sergeant in the mix? You now have 3 leaders instead of 1 (The Company CO). So who's order you are going to follow if you are a lowly soldier (or a conscript)

The officer corps in Russia have absolute power, that's how they reign in their men, this is their military tradition, officer gave order, soldier follow order. And it have not change since 1917.
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Very good insight
 
CAPRICORN-88 said:
Who is being driven out of the Eastern Ukraine right now?

So who do you reckons is losing?

:coffee: :sarcastic: :omghaha:
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What is the definition of a russian victory? Exactly what is Putins goal in Ukraine? Seems to me the russians just took a shot at Ukraine with a gameplan saying “time will tell how it ends”.
 
CAPRICORN-88 said:
Who is being driven out of the Eastern Ukraine right now?

So who do you reckons is losing?

:coffee: :sarcastic: :omghaha:
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Russia lost the Battle of Kyiv and now lost the Battle of Kharkiv. It’s going to take time to push Russia completely out of Ukraine. Russian offensive operations have completed stalled out except for a tiny pocket near Severodonetsk. And Russia is getting massively attrited.
 
Vergennes said:
Is this the so called "Second world's most powerful army" ? That army can't even perform basic tasks like global combined arms operations,sending lone group of soldiers and armored vehicles in the open without any kind of reconnaissance,artillery or air support only to get roasted by the Ukrainian military. Reminds me of the Syrian army.

Those who think the Russians have truly evolved are clearly mistaken. The only way the Russians are gaining territory is by sending their men as cannon fodder and waves multiple times to overwhelm Ukrainian positions just like in WW2.
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Second world's most powerful army in nuclear war.

In conventional war Russia is a little thing, moreover in Ukraine they dont want to waste expensive things, neither the best troops.

War itself is the poor cheap choice, the rich expensive choice to win is giving bribes to Kiev elite like the West does.
 
MeFishToo said:
What is the definition of a russian victory? Exactly what is Putins goal in Ukraine? Seems to me the russians just took a shot at Ukraine with a gameplan saying “time will tell how it ends”.
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:coffee: :sarcastic: :omghaha:
So what is your definition of a Ukrainian AZOV neo-NAZI victory?

The surrender of their field commander US Navy Admiral Eric Thor Olson and British Lieut Colonel John Bailey to the DNR LNR militia and Russian Forces represent a Ukrainian Victory, right?
 
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Russians attacked Severodonetsk 11 times with artillery, Azot chemical plant set alight

ROMAN PETRENKO - SUNDAY, 15 MAY 2022, 09: 27 On May 14, the Russian military launched 11 artillery attacks on Severodonetsk in the Luhansk region. There were hits to the Azot chemical plant, a technical school, and high-rise buildings.
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Russians attacked Severodonetsk 11 times with artillery, Azot chemical plant set alight​

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Sun, May 15, 2022, 7:27 AM


ROMAN PETRENKO — SUNDAY, 15 MAY 2022, 09: 27
On May 14, the Russian military launched 11 artillery attacks on Severodonetsk in the Luhansk region. There were hits to the Azot chemical plant, a technical school, and high-rise buildings.
Source: head of the Oblast State Administration Serhii Haidai on Telegram
Haidai's direct speech: "40 percent of all Russian attacks on May 14 occurred in Severodonetsk. About the same amount - for Hirska and Popasna communities.
There is a lot of destruction. These are 11 high-rise buildings in new and old districts of the city, in several of them apartments caught fire. The Russians got into the technical school building and continue to destroy Azot (one of the largest chemical industry enterprises in Europe – Ed.).

Yesterday morning, after another rocket arrival, flames engulfed one of the production halls."
Details: According to Haidai, three more residents of Vrubivka were injured. In Novodruzhesk, a woman was injured and two houses were destroyed. Three more were damaged in Lysychansk, where the enemy launched an airstrike, and two in Rubizhne.
 
The problem is: it is at the end of the week and the stories are terribly one sided as they all derived from one source - the Ukraine authority in Kyiv and they are not the most reliable one.

Remember "The Ghost of Kyiv", the posthumous metal awarded to sailors who are still alive today.

We will all know what is really happening in Kharkiv soon.

The battles are going on in many places.
 
BHAN85 said:
Second world's most powerful army in nuclear war.

In conventional war Russia is a little thing, moreover in Ukraine they dont want to waste expensive things, neither the best troops.

War itself is the poor cheap choice, the rich expensive choice to win is giving bribes to Kiev elite like the West does.
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That is a poor justification of Russia's catastrophic performance in Ukraine by saying "they didn't send their best". All those VDV and elite tank/rifle/motorized divisions who got roasted might disagree with you.

CAPRICORN-88 said:
:coffee: :sarcastic: :omghaha:
So what is your definition of a Ukrainian AZOV neo-NAZI victory?

The surrender of their field commander US Navy Admiral Eric Thor Olson and British Lieut Colonel John Bailey to the DNR LNR militia and Russian Forces represent a Ukrainian Victory, right?
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LMAO do you really believe US and British troops were captured ? I don't know what you're smoking but I need it.

The Russians and their bootlickers over here are trying to justify Russia's catastrophic performance either by saying "Russia only sent second tier forces" (which is BS given they have sent elite VDV and tank/rifle/motorized divisions to Ukraine) or that NATO forces are fighting on the ground against Russian army. :lol:
 
Vergennes said:
That is a poor justification of Russia's catastrophic performance in Ukraine by saying "they didn't send their best". All those VDV and elite tank/rifle/motorized divisions who got roasted might disagree with you.
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As I said, if money is not a problem, then war wouldn't happen never.

War is the cheap choice.

Giving bribes is the expensive choice. That's what USA/West does to control Kiev ruling elite.

If Russia gives 50 bn to Kiev elite, the war would stop right now.

War is the choice when you dont have enough money to change someone willing paying him.
 
Vergennes said:
That is a poor justification of Russia's catastrophic performance in Ukraine by saying "they didn't send their best". All those VDV and elite tank/rifle/motorized divisions who got roasted might disagree with you.



LMAO do you really believe US and British troops were captured ? I don't know what you're smoking but I need it.

The Russians and their bootlickers over here are trying to justify Russia's catastrophic performance either by saying "Russia only sent second tier forces" (which is BS given they have sent elite VDV and tank/rifle/motorized divisions to Ukraine) or that NATO forces are fighting on the ground against Russian army. :lol:
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You can choose to believe whatever you want.
For me, time will tell.

I can wait for the REAL NEWS. But they won't be LIVE on Western MSM. .

After all none of you can corroborated any of the made believe tales you are posting in here apart from one fact.

The Russian allies are capturing new territories wifh each passing days.

This one everyone is agreeing. Mariopul has indeed fallen.

And US Secretary of Defense Llyod Austin and Chancellor Olaf Scholtz are calling for a ceasefire.

Calling for CEASEFIRE when they are winning the war does not make any sense at least not for me.

Maybe for some of you.

But these are fact that cannot be denied.
 
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