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Crazy games out there
Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments
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1. Chechen forces are risking their lives to LIBERATE Mariupol and save civilians? Mashallah. Did the Mayor of Mariupol Vadym Boichenko request Russian forces and their Chechen puppets to liberate his city?
EXCUSE ME, please.
Mariupol is one of the locations in Ukraine where invading forces have encountered heavy resistance on the ground (30 days and counting) - this could NOT be possible if Mariupol citizens were NOT onboard.
2. Small part of Mariupol? Mariupol is NOT a big city to begin with - it is home to 400,000 citizens in total.
Map of Mariupol is shown in following footage:
The footage also provides evidence of Russians using thermobaric weapons to bombard sectors of the city.
Watch: Russia's terrifying vacuum bomb blasts Mariupol
Footage has emerged showing Russian soldiers firing thermobaric missiles into the Ukrainian city of Mariupol, proving the illegal usewww.bolnews.com
Ground realities of Mariupol are well-documented in the following link:
Escape From Mariupol: 'The Dead Were Buried In The Yards'
From the time the rockets began to hit until his flight from the city, a man from Mariupol describes the progression of the Russian onslaught on the Donbas port, which has been one of the places that has been hardest-hit in the unprovoked invasion of Ukraine.www.rferl.org
This footage shows some Mariupol citizens who managed to flee the city:
Do they look happy to you?
More survivors talking now:
Ukraine war: Survivor of Mariupol theatre bombing says crush of panicked crowd 'killed more people than the strike itself'
Survivor Maria Radionova, who was standing at the entrance as a bomb hit the Mariupol theatre, said there was a "huge commotion" in the aftermath of the Russian airstrike that killed around 300 people.news.sky.com
Liberation scenes, right?
Russian liberation activities in Mariupol caught on camera:
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Why you bringing Iraq into our conversation? My POV is in following post:
Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments
It`s not nationalism, it`s pragmatism. Being in the Warsaw pact, that was probably the only defence pact in the history, that invaded their own members + crapy economy under the soviet union did the job. Well no NATO member decided to leave yet,that's why. Imagine if one of the eastern...defence.pk
I have always maintained that US/NATO assaulted Iraq on controversial and questionable grounds (bad decision).
But to address your curiosity, American troops discovered hidden caches of chemical weapons in Iraq from time-to-time:
The Secret Casualties of Iraq’s Abandoned Chemical Weapons (Published 2014)
The Pentagon kept silent as munitions left over from Saddam Hussein’s war with Iran found new targets from 2004 to 2011: American and Iraqi troops.www.nytimes.com
Pentagon Reportedly Hushed Up Chemical Weapons Finds In Iraq
The New York Times reports that between 2004 and 2011, American troops repeatedly encountered chemical weapons caches dating from the Iran-Iraq war. At least 17 U.S. service members were injured.www.npr.org
US Troops Found Huge Caches Of Chemical Weapons In Iraq — And The Pentagon Tried To Keep It A Secret
Unreal.www.businessinsider.com.au
But these finds were detrimental to Democratic politics and narrative against the Republicans and Obama administration instructed Pentagon to keep these finds under wraps.
There is more - an Iraqi defector Adnan Ihsan Saeed al-Haideri informed Bush administration about Iraqi WMD program.
Defector reveals extent of Iraqi weapons programme
An Iraqi defector has claimed Saddam Hussein is developing a missile system which could deliver chemical, biological and eventually nuclear warheads to five Middle Eastern capitals, writes Chris Alden.www.theguardian.com
A NATION CHALLENGED: SECRET SITES; Iraqi Tells of Renovations at Sites For Chemical and Nuclear Arms (Published 2001)
Iraqi defector says he personally worked on renovations of secret facilities for biological, chemical and nuclear weapons in underground wells, private villas and under hospital in Baghdad as recently as year ago; defector, Adnan Ihsan Saeed al-Haideri, who says he is civil engineer, gives...www.nytimes.com
Multiple Iraqi nationals were involved in building a case against Saddam regime:
These Iraqi nationals knew that George W. Bush would be the most sympathetic POTUS and their best shot given his family legacy.
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3. You are clutching to SEMANTICS now.
"With Russian President Vladimir Putin showing no sign of backing down on his country’s assault on Ukraine, US officials are trying to prevent the Russian military from capturing pathogens stored in US-affiliated research labs in Ukraine, where they could potentially mischaracterize activities at the facilities. It’s an urgent task, given that the director of the US military program that works with Ukrainian public and animal health labs said some are in cities now under attack.
At the end of February, Robert Pope, the director of the Cooperative Threat Reduction Program, said his program had lost contact with the Ukrainian labs. In an update on Friday, he said that officials had communicated with authorities responsible for facilities run by the Ukrainian Ministry of Health but not with those overseeing the veterinary health institutions the US government also partners with in the country.
Several of those labs are in cities being attacked now, Pope said. “Should Russian forces occupy a city with one of these facilities, we are concerned that Russia will fabricate ‘evidence’ of nefarious activity in an attempt to lend credibility to their ongoing disinformation about these facilities.”
On the veterinary health side, the Defense Threat Reduction Agency supports 14 facilities and diagnostic laboratories, Pope said. “Most of these facilities are regional diagnostic veterinary laboratories that provide Ukraine with animal sample collection ability and basic laboratory capabilities for initial diagnostics of potential diseases in Ukraine’s animal population. They are part of the network of labs that help Ukraine prevent, detect, and respond to animal diseases like African swine fever,” he said.
Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland echoed Pope’s concerns about the security of the US-linked labs at a Senate hearing Tuesday. “Ukraine has biological research facilities, which, in fact, we are now quite concerned Russian troops, Russian forces may be seeking to gain control of, so we are working with the Ukrainians on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces should they approach,” she said.
Pope’s fears that the invasion will expose the labs to new disinformation narratives does not appear far-fetched. Already at least one figure with links to the Russian disinformation ecosystem is broadcasting plans to bring journalists into war-torn Ukraine to tour US-affiliated labs there.
John Mark Dougan, a former American police officer who claims to have political asylum in Russia, has put up at least five videos on YouTube in recent days saying that Ukraine is hosting US bioweapons labs; some of the videos have been viewed nearly 30,000 times. In one video, he claims to have secured permission to go to the labs. “I said, ‘Look, I want to get a bunch of journalists, truth seeking journalists together, and I want to do a tour of these laboratories,’” Dougan said, inviting journalists to contact him for the supposed trip."
In Ukraine, US-military-linked labs could provide fodder for Russian disinformation
Robert Pope, director of the US Cooperative Threat Reduction Program is worried that US-linked labs in Ukraine, if they are in cities overrun by Russian forces, may serve as fodder for disinformation efforts about US activities. Meanwhile, a YouTuber with ties to the Russian disinformation...thebulletin.org
Many countries have "biological research facilities."
China have over 200 such:
I have given you plenty of food for thought and information to reflect upon in my posts but you keep pushing it.
Yar to kyu itna parashan ho? Shukar kar koi islami mulk ma navi jang nai ha, aga hamari pati ha. Europe ma lagi ha jalti rai udar kasma nu kan udar. To chara udar katam ho jai tha fir hamari patai karan.
I have no emotions or sympathy let these clowns go to countries they fucked over the last two decades at least pretend they care or Gaza and may be I would give two shits.
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For the last month, Russian oligarchs have been heavily transferring their assets to Turkey. At the end of the month, an official statement was finally made. It seems that Turkey has given assurances to Russia.
In addition, a second S400 purchase is also among the possibilities.-
In addition, a second S400 purchase is also among the possibilities.-
Smart move let them bring money into Turkey and invest. I would’ve gone a step further and bring their tech brains and have them working in defense industry (same with Pakistan if we didn’t have a shit political situation).
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According to the some claims, a significant portion of the over 60,000 refugees from Ukraine are the families of people working in the Ukrainian defense industry. So yes, it is perfectly normal to prioritize our interests as Turkey. In this direction, we do not want to lose neither Ukraine nor Russia.
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This may help Turkey's economy given the recent decline in Lira value.
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We are already one of the most important trade partners of Russia. There is no unilateral commercial activity only from Russia to Turkey. At the same time, Turkish companies have tens of billion-dollar investments and business volume in Russia. On the other hand, a significant part of the big hotels in Antalya region receive Russian investment. Apart from tourism, infrastructure and industrial areas, there are also very strategic cooperation areas, especially nuclear energy. This commercial activity creates the income of tens of thousands of families in both countries. It cannot be said that we could agree on everything with Russia, on the contrary, we waged a proxy war in many places. However, despite all the negativities, both countries are valuable to each other both economically and strategically.This may help Turkey's economy given the recent decline in Lira value.
Another thing, The Turkish economy has no liquidity problem. The main problem is western intervention attempts on Turkish economy. I can explain this issue in detail with some data, but I do not want to drown the current thread with the Turkish economy related issues.
The president is 79, the fact he can pick a child up and not break his back or fall over is quite an accomplishment.
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And how do you explain the sudden rise in Anti-Russian hatred? The Western governments and media have done everything
to make Russians look like terrible people,not just the government,but Russians as a whole. When they are being banned from Amazon,from e-bay (I think),when Facebook and instagram censors them and allows anti-Russian rhetoric,when certain gaming companies refuse to sell their games to Russian and Belarussian people,when companies like McDonald's,Starbucks
and others close in these countries,when MASTERCARD and VISA ban Russian customers,when you see stickers on western stores implying that Russians are pigs and they are not allowed inside...
What do you expect? Is this not Kristallnacht? Does this not deepen the mistrust on both sides and create hatred?
Imagine if that was done on Israel. Israelis would have been shouting "It's racism! It's discrimination! It's the Holocaust again!"
And yet Israel's bombed Palestinians and Lebanese a gazillion times and not even a single sanction.
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Why do you call Chechens “puppets” ? This is disrespectful. Do you have something against Chechens ?
Did Albanians requested Belgrade for permission to secede from Serbia ? Mariupol is part of Donetsk Peoples Republic. DPR and Russian forces do not need permission from some Bandera sypmathiser Boichenko.
rferl.org ? Are you aware that this is US founded propaganda bullhorn ? Are you aware that you are peddling US propaganda ?Escape From Mariupol: 'The Dead Were Buried In The Yards'
From the time the rockets began to hit until his flight from the city, a man from Mariupol describes the progression of the Russian onslaught on the Donbas port, which has been one of the places that has been hardest-hit in the unprovoked invasion of Ukraine.
Ukraine war: Survivor of Mariupol theatre bombing says crush of panicked crowd 'killed more people than the strike itself'
Survivor Maria Radionova, who was standing at the entrance as a bomb hit the Mariupol theatre, said there was a "huge commotion" in the aftermath of the Russian airstrike that killed around 300 people.
Liberation scenes, right?
Russian liberation activities in Mariupol caught on camera:
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Why you bringing Iraq into our conversation? My POV is in following post:
Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments
It`s not nationalism, it`s pragmatism. Being in the Warsaw pact, that was probably the only defence pact in the history, that invaded their own members + crapy economy under the soviet union did the job. Well no NATO member decided to leave yet,that's why. Imagine if one of the eastern...defence.pk
I have always maintained that US/NATO assaulted Iraq on controversial and questionable grounds (bad decision).
But to address your curiosity, American troops discovered hidden caches of chemical weapons in Iraq from time-to-time:
The Secret Casualties of Iraq’s Abandoned Chemical Weapons (Published 2014)
The Pentagon kept silent as munitions left over from Saddam Hussein’s war with Iran found new targets from 2004 to 2011: American and Iraqi troops.
Pentagon Reportedly Hushed Up Chemical Weapons Finds In Iraq
The New York Times reports that between 2004 and 2011, American troops repeatedly encountered chemical weapons caches dating from the Iran-Iraq war. At least 17 U.S. service members were injured.
US Troops Found Huge Caches Of Chemical Weapons In Iraq — And The Pentagon Tried To Keep It A Secret
Unreal.
But these finds were detrimental to Democratic politics and narrative against the Republicans and Obama administration instructed Pentagon to keep these finds under wraps.
There is more - an Iraqi defector Adnan Ihsan Saeed al-Haideri informed Bush administration about Iraqi WMD program.
Defector reveals extent of Iraqi weapons programme
An Iraqi defector has claimed Saddam Hussein is developing a missile system which could deliver chemical, biological and eventually nuclear warheads to five Middle Eastern capitals, writes Chris Alden.
A NATION CHALLENGED: SECRET SITES; Iraqi Tells of Renovations at Sites For Chemical and Nuclear Arms (Published 2001)
Iraqi defector says he personally worked on renovations of secret facilities for biological, chemical and nuclear weapons in underground wells, private villas and under hospital in Baghdad as recently as year ago; defector, Adnan Ihsan Saeed al-Haideri, who says he is civil engineer, gives...
Sky News, The Guardian ? More of the same. They all lied about alleged WMD in Iraq. Do you found them credible ?
How do you know that US “biological research facilities” are not engaged in producing biological weapons ? What are US “biological research facilities” doing in the Ukraine ? Why USA have “biological research facilities” abroad ?
Bear in mind long Anglosaxon history of using weapons of mass destruction. They used biological weapons against Natives in North America, they used nuclear weapons against civilians in Japan, they used depleted uranium against civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq. Anglosaxons have love affair with weapons of mass destruction. They love to use WMD. No wonder that the World is concerned about US alleged “biological research facilities”.
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There's no satellite imagery in that entire thread
The destruction of the Buk air defense system of the armed forces of Ukraine by the Russian operational-tactical complex Iskander. The Iskander missile attack was carried out after receiving intelligence data from a Russian UAV patrolling an area in the Kiev region.
The army of Ukraine, actively withdrawing, mines fields and farmland, thereby endangering people's lives and jeopardizing the sowing campaign in Ukraine. More than 12,000 munitions have already been defused in the Kherson region alone. Everyday life of Russian sappers of engineering troops in Ukraine
The army of Ukraine, actively withdrawing, mines fields and farmland, thereby endangering people's lives and jeopardizing the sowing campaign in Ukraine. More than 12,000 munitions have already been defused in the Kherson region alone. Everyday life of Russian sappers of engineering troops in Ukraine
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USA have something to hide. That's for sure. USA is afraid of the truth. USA doesn't want to release data about it's military athletes. The World urge USA to tell the truth but the USA refuse.
US urged to release health info of military athletes who came to Wuhan in October 2019
Wednesday, 25 March 2020 10:10 AM [ Last Update: Sunday, 29 March 2020 9:40 AM]Chinese netizens and experts urge the US authority to release health and infection information of the US military delegation which came to Wuhan for the Military World Games in October to end the conjecture about US military personnel bringing COVID-19 to China.
An American journalist claimed one US military athlete in the delegation could be patient zero of the deadly new disease.
George Webb, an investigative journalist in Washington, DC claimed in recent videos and tweets that he believes Maatje Benassi, an armed diplomatic driver and cyclist who was in Wuhan in October for the cycling competition in the Military World Games, could be patient zero of COVID-19 in Wuhan.
[According to] a report by the US Department of Defense official website on October 25, Maatje Benassi has participated 50-mile cycling road race in Wuhan.
Webb also quoted a military lab, the Fort Detrick laboratory that handles high-level disease-causing organisms such as Ebola, in Fredrick, Maryland, which was shut down and moved in July due to unqualified facilities and management system.
His conclusions, although without strong evidence, triggered questions on Chinese social media as it came only days after a petition was submitted to the White House website on March 10 listing some coincidences in time between the Fort Detrick lab’s closure and the COVID-19 outbreak.
Many Chinese netizens have urged the US to test Benassi for COVID-19 and release information on the US delegation.
Li Haidong, a professor of US studies at the China Foreign Affairs University in Beijing, told the Global Times on Tuesday that the US government needs to respond to the controversy and publish the relevant information regarding their health status and infection record to clear public doubts and help with the scientific study on the virus’ origin.
US politicians have been contending the novel coronavirus is “Made in China,” while global scientists, including those in the US, have not found strong evidence to prove the virus’ origin.
Given this situation, it is important to trace any suspicious points, the US delegation to the Wuhan games in this scenario, and find out what really happened, Li said.
COVID-19, a deadly disease caused by the novel coronavirus, has infected more than 330,000 people around the world and killed more than 14,000.
Identifying the origin will help develop effective therapy on the disease. The US should provide information of the delegation members to support related research, Li said.
Earlier in March, Zhao Lijian, an outspoken Chinese diplomat, raised a suspicion on his personal Twitter account that it might have been the US army representatives to the Military World Games who brought the novel coronavirus to Wuhan in October 2019, after a top US health official admitted detecting coronavirus infections on some deceased flu patients. Zhao urged the US to disclose further information, exercise transparency on coronavirus cases and provide an explanation to the public.
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2020/03/25/621570/virus-coronavirus-China-US
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