Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments

[Oldman1]

Today I saw an interview of an active Ukrainian pilot. He said that they are able to fight against Russians even in encounters where the numbers are not in their favor by using tactics that they have learned from American partners. He also said that Ukrainian military has been preparing for the war for the last 8 years. They were not exactly caught off guard.

So I think America has been working with Ukranians for some time now.

They were still caught off guard especially the president. He didn't call for general mobilization until after the invasion. Even dismissed the possible invasion. The Ukrainian military had plans to deal with the invasion always preparing but it was the president's call if they should completely mobilize.

 

[jhungary]

Today I saw an interview of an active Ukrainian pilot. He said that they are able to fight against Russians even in encounters where the numbers are not in their favor by using tactics that they have learned from American partners. He also said that Ukrainian military has been preparing for the war for the last 8 years. They were not exactly caught off guard.

So I think America has been working with Ukranians for some time now.

Many people don't know, but the American have been constantly helping out the Ukrainian in their defence after 2014. We have sent our National Guard troop trained with their national guard troop, and we have teach them counter tactics that we think how the Russia would attack.

That investment really do help the Ukrainian on their own defend

Make no mistake, they are expecting this since 2014, so this is a sort of a thing that people can see coming from a long way away.

I remember watching a movie "War Games" Nuclear war is like tic-tac-toe - No winners so west don't want to get involved in something they cannot win.

Well, not just the west, Russia too.

Again, as I said many time, if the ultimate goal is for Russia to kick NATO border out of their own, they would have attack a smaller NATO member, not the non-NATO Ukraine.....

 

[K_Bin_W]

Many people don't know, but the American have been constantly helping out the Ukrainian in their defence after 2014. We have sent our National Guard troop trained with their national guard troop, and we have teach them counter tactics that we think how the Russia would attack.

That investment really do help the Ukrainian on their own defend

Make no mistake, they are expecting this since 2014, so this is a sort of a thing that people can see coming from a long way away.

Well, not just the west, Russia too.

Again, as I said many time, if the ultimate goal is for Russia to kick NATO border out of their own, they would have attack a smaller NATO member, not the non-NATO Ukraine.....

But nukes is the reason why NATO is not liberating Ukraine like they liberated half a dozen or more other countries and brought democracy...

 

[Clutch]

The Azovs

 

[Oldman1]

I remember watching a movie "War Games" Nuclear war is like tic-tac-toe - No winners so west don't want to get involved in something they cannot win.

NATO doesn't need to directly get involved. The Afghans in the 1980s didn't need NATO to push the Russians out. Just have to provide more supplies and better equipment. The Russians provided North Vietnam SAMs, fighter jets, etc.

 

[K_Bin_W]

Yeah spot on...

 

[The SC]

Well that their problem if they decide to attack NATO. You don't want to give them a reason to do so. If they bomb a supply point where they are helping Ukraine in Poland, expect a response like bombing Russian vehicles and supply columns as well as Russian bases or outposts in Ukraine. Trust me, it won't be pretty for the Russians. And if they use tactical nukes to deter NATO from keep on supplying, then U.S. will respond as well with tactical nukes. They develop the new tactical nukes for just this reason.

We are not talking about supplying (Although the Russians said it was a dangerous move from NATO).. The Russians will use nukes only in the case of NATO boots in Ukraine..

Talking about the supplies.. I believe Russians are allowing it in order to seize Western weapons' technologies.. otherwise ..and with hundreds of spy satellites they possess.. they can just weight for the supplies to be 10 or 20 km inside Ukraine and hit them with precision missiles.. as simple as that.. a reason NATO want to send in only Russian tech weapons..

 

[thetutle]

Ukraine would have a lot of videos of that if it's successful, if not nothing.

there are other reasons why we aren't seeing any videos. they are probably classified.

 

[Oldman1]

But nukes is the reason why NATO is not liberating Ukraine like they liberated half a dozen or more other countries and brought democracy...

Nukes is whats preventing Russia from attacking Poland and other countries supplying Ukraine.

 

[K_Bin_W]

NATO doesn't need to directly get involved. The Afghans in the 1980s didn't need NATO to push the Russians out. Just have to provide more supplies and better equipment. The Russians provided North Vietnam SAMs, fighter jets, etc.

Yeah but Ukraine is at western Europe's doorsteps very close to home and besides there is zero chance west will put boots on the ground for obvious reasons. Western massive propaganda aside I think Putin has already met his objectives there will be no NATO in Ukraine.

Nukes is whats preventing Russia from attacking Poland and other countries supplying Ukraine.

Russia is not as trigger-happy as the west.

 

[Oldman1]

We are not talking about supplying (Although the Russians said it was a dangerous move from NATO).. The Russians will use nukes only in the case of NATO boots in Ukraine..

Talking about the supplies.. I believe Russians are allowing it in order to seize Western weapons' technologies.. otherwise ..and with hundreds of spy satellites they possess.. they can just weight for the supplies to be 10 or 20 km inside Ukraine and hit them with precision missiles.. as simple as that.. a reason NATO want to send in only Russian tech weapons..

LOL! They are not really allowing it. They just can't really stop it. I mean just look at the map. How many cruise missiles have they fired into Western Ukraine just yesterday? Its like the Ho Chi Minh Trail of Poland into Ukraine or Ho Chi Minh Trail in Western Ukraine into East.

Yeah but Ukraine is at western Europe's doorsteps very close to home and besides there is zero chance west will put boots on the ground for obvious reasons. Western massive propaganda aside I think Putin has already met his objectives there will be no NATO in Ukraine.


Russia is not as trigger-happy as the west.

Putin hasn't even been close to his objectives. No NATO is not enough for him if Ukraine decides to not join. In his view he wants to Denazify the government and the military. How realistic is that?

 

[jhungary]

Wotanjugend is another but then whats the point so long they serve western interest and are good nazis

Actually, the biggest Neo Nazi Group in Ukraine is not Wotanjugend (That's an import group by the way, not homegrown) or Azov, effectively, Right Sector or Svoboda is probably a better example than Azov if we were to talk about Neo Nazism in Ukraine. Bith organisation have political and military ties with Ukrainian government.

First of all, I am not saying Neo Nazism does not exist in Ukraine, you are lying to yourself if you think that, Neo Nazism exist in any part of the world, even in Russia. The thing is, when we are talking about Neo Nazi, the primary group people will talk about, if they know about the real situation, is a group called OUN (Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalist) why? Because they are the biggest problem with Ukraine Neo Nazism right now (Well, when I say right now, it's before this war)

And OUN existed since WW2, when they were the one that collaborate with the ACTUAL NAZI Germany, that group was banned in Ukraine for both Governmental or Military position. Holding a gun when you are a member of OUN is against the law (Not anymore now, but that is another issue)

Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So why people talk about Azov? Azov at best is a Far Right group, you can call them extremist, but they are by no mean the most influential, or even considered to be neo nazi, like Proud Boy, some consider them as Neo Nazi, some don't. The reason why people talk about Azov is because they are most well known, and because the foundning father of Azov Battalion was a neo nazi, although he is no longer involved with Azov.

On the other hand, strangely enough, Zelenskyy WAS the only president in Ukraine that had done anything to curb the Far Right or Neo Nazi movement. If you have follow local Ukrainian news and election result, you would know the far right party Svoboda, which is the combination of all Neo Nazi party n Ukraine have loss 90% of their foothold in Rada since Zelenskyy become president. In 2019 Rada election, which held 5 months after Zelenskyy presidency, Svoboda lost 5 out of 6 seat in Rada. If this is what we go by, the current government is probably the least bit of Neo Nazi than any of the precursive government...

 

[K_Bin_W]

LOL! They are not really allowing it. They just can't really stop it. I mean just look at the map. How many cruise missiles have they fired into Western Ukraine just yesterday? Its like the Ho Chi Minh Trail of Poland into Ukraine or Ho Chi Minh Trail in Western Ukraine into East.


Putin hasn't even been close to his objectives. No NATO is not enough for him if Ukraine decides to not join. In his view he wants to Denazify the government and the military. How realistic is that?

Thats what the west thinks - Putin has destroyed Ukraine war-making capability and Ukraine will not join Nato, says Zelenskiy, as shelling of Kyiv continues.

Ukraine will not join Nato, says Zelenskiy, as shelling of Kyiv continues

Ukrainian president’s statement comes as three EU leaders arrive in city to express solidarity amid heavy bombardment

www.theguardian.com

The rest is all noise and irrelevant...

 

[jhungary]

But nukes is the reason why NATO is not liberating Ukraine like they liberated half a dozen or more other countries and brought democracy...

Why would NATO need to liberate Ukraine? Ukraine were under attack by the Russian, it's the Russian who want to "Liberate" Ukraine from the evil NATO clutches. Not the other way around.....

I mean, why would NATO want to liberate a country that is "Pro-NATO" to begin with.....

What you said did not make sense.

 

[K_Bin_W]

Actually, the biggest Neo Nazi Group in Ukraine is not Wotanjugend (That's an import group by the way, not homegrown) or Azov, effectively, Right Sector or Svoboda is probably a better example than Azov if we were to talk about Neo Nazism in Ukraine. Bith organisation have political and military ties with Ukrainian government.

First of all, I am not saying Neo Nazism does not exist in Ukraine, you are lying to yourself if you think that, Neo Nazism exist in any part of the world, even in Russia. The thing is, when we are talking about Neo Nazi, the primary group people will talk about, if they know about the real situation, is a group called OUN (Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalist) why? Because they are the biggest problem with Ukraine Neo Nazism right now (Well, when I say right now, it's before this war)

And OUN existed since WW2, when they were the one that collaborate with the ACTUAL NAZI Germany, that group was banned in Ukraine for both Governmental or Military position. Holding a gun when you are a member of OUN is against the law (Not anymore now, but that is another issue)

Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So why people talk about Azov? Azov at best is a Far Right group, you can call them extremist, but they are by no mean the most influential, or even considered to be neo nazi, like Proud Boy, some consider them as Neo Nazi, some don't. The reason why people talk about Azov is because they are most well known, and because the foundning father of Azov Battalion was a neo nazi, although he is no longer involved with Azov.

On the other hand, strangely enough, Zelenskyy WAS the only president in Ukraine that had done anything to curb the Far Right or Neo Nazi movement. If you have follow local Ukrainian news and election result, you would know the far right party Svoboda, which is the combination of all Neo Nazi party n Ukraine have loss 90% of their foothold in Rada since Zelenskyy become president. In 2019 Rada election, which held 5 months after Zelenskyy presidency, Svoboda lost 5 out of 6 seat in Rada. If this is what we go by, the current government is probably the least bit of Neo Nazi than any of the precursive government...

But they are good Nazis.. right, and west can provide them arms and be chums..No