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Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2
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Absolutely the world NEEDS Russia to win
Otherwise everyone will be stuck with the same shit from the west forever
We need to throw our voice and a little effort behind Russia
Because they can and will **** neo nazi western states in process?
Its only the older population in Russia that believes this ridiculous propaganda being broadcasted on state controlled TV. You dont believe it either, you are just jumping the bandwagon (like every anti westerner on this forum) because it suits your agenda.
Putin is in no hurry mobilizing the well informed younger generation living in urban areas, because he doesnt yet control the information space they use.
It is not matter of beleif, their nuclear umbrella ensures it, rest of is matter of time. West picked the side of nazies in ukraina amd now in palestina, so russaia bandwagon is most natural thing.
Do not blame me for you elites choices and pissing whole world with various facades and double standards.
Terricon artificial mountain in Avdiivka if captured by Russia can have advantages but Ukraine will use Himars anti personnel packages over it and cluster artillery rounds continiously so holding it would be much more difficult. Instead Russia should use cluster ammunition-air dropped anti personnel mines etc. by mlrs and air launched systems extensively to cover all of the top surface of the artificial mountain making it unusable if not much more difficult for Ukr infantry to make scout drone-attack missions. Nepalm is an option as well for area denial for that specific target.
Airplane dropped Tos-1 style thermobaric bombs are also possible for those types of military fortifications like Terricon. Even unguided is sufficient since it is a large target but the requirement is to not to lose planes it should be dropped from high altitudes. If Ukranian presence is reduced there significantly VDV can make a paratroop operation but still risky since the troops need to dig in inside the mountain to be protected from Ukranian himars and cluster artillery counterattack. If they can dig inside the mountain the troops can make scout operations against Ukranians later on.
Instead of continious attack that results in high casualties tactical advances and retreats in the pincer area can gradually weaken the support inside Avdiivka which can be taken gradually by separate assault teams inside the pincers.
One thing Ukraine can be given credit for other than their usage of fpv drones is their use of drone-coordinated artillery strikes. After destroying sams second target should be taking out Ukranian artillery from high atitudes by drones-or drone coordinated artillery-mlrs. Mohajir-6, Forpost and similar systems that can fly above manpad reach(6km+ atltitude) come into scene in that second stage to detect and destroy Ukranian artillery after sam defences are neutralized. Before Ukr artillery capability is reduced sending in infantry would result in much more casualties. Holding ground after artillery is taken down would be difficult as well but Russian forces can temporarily hold the pincers and make tactical retreats(mining the area) when Ukraine brings in more sams+artillery then repeating again step 1-sead and 2-anti artillery missions then close the pincers again(demining the area). During those temporary pincer control over Avdiivka supply roads Russian army, Wagner and other forces can storm the city inside with less risk from Ukranian artillery+drone support as they will be dealing with the pincers and take control of areas gradually inside Avdiivka.
It is what it is. Russia is mainly using sovjet shit, useless or not. People tend to glorify russian production capacity refering to the Sovjet Union, but Russia is not the USSR. Ukraines western allies can support a defensive fight indefinitely compared to Russias production capacity.
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Well, they will do it regardless of whether the West approve, wait, they had already done it........
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Also, "sustaining" this war and carry on forward with their momentum is different concept, sustaining mean you put defences in place, you replace your attacker with new troop (ie troop regeneration) if a force is mere sustaining their operation, that mean their operation is being standstill, and Russia being the aggressor, they cannot have their operation standstill, they will need to achieve break thru, but that is not going to happen as long as you merely sustaining that force.You do not want to 'sustain' a war. By that argument, Russia lost. The military do not produce but destroy. That is its nature. Same for a war. Wars consume things and people -- in an instant. A bomb destroys a car or kill a human being. Then it will take literally yrs to make a new car and breed a new human being. So from that perspective, being able to 'sustain' a war means you ALREADY lost the war. People talks nonsensically that Russia have not conducted 'total warfare', as if they know WTF they are talking about in the first place. The reality is that Russia did not or failed to create its own 'Desert Storm' and the longer your enemy is able to resist, the odds of 'total warfare' ala Desert Storm becomes increasingly remote. You talk this way because it is easy for you. Nothing you can lose.
The correct wording these people should look for is "Surge" but how this can ever be a surge is another issue, someone said Muslim would volunteer in Russia, in exchange of what? Russian to fight Israel? Especially the 2 wars are not connected with each other, I can say if American volunteer their entire army and Airforce to fight in Ukraine, the war can be over in 3 months. That doesn't mean there are incentive to fight in Ukraine.
It is, like you said, if they are just trying to sustain this attack, then they are already lost, because things will just go downhill from them from now on, until it become eventually unsustainable. They need yearly surge if they want to win, but looking at the last surge from December 2022, things aren't looking good.
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I thought that YOU being the Army guy already made that clear a loooooong time ago.
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Putin’s fingerprints are all over the Hamas attack
There was only one real winner last Saturday when war broke out in Israel — Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Putin’s enabling of his “Arsenals of Evil” ally, Iran, resulted in the opening of a new front in Gaza in his war against the West.
Moscow has brutally suppressed uprisings in Chechnya and Syria, supported insurrections in Niger and Sudan, illegally annexed “Russian-speaking” territories in Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine and Crimea, and, in February 2022, launched its “special military operation” in Ukraine — so far a failure that threatens Putin’s aspirations.
He needed a distraction, and last weekend he got it.
The Kremlin’s surreptitious activities resurfaced in a surprise attack on Israel by the terrorist group Hamas, code-named Operation Al-Aqsa. Israel’s ambassador to Germany, Ron Prosor, described the attack as “the single deadliest day for Jews since the Holocaust.”
It was a multi-domain assault — air, land, sea, and cyber. Well beyond the recognized capabilities of Hamas, fueling speculation that the terrorist organization received direct support from Iran, and likely from Russia as well.
The Washington Post and Wall Street Journal confirmed the speculation with respect to Iran. Both reported that Hamas “began planning the assault at least a year ago, with key support from Iranian allies who provided military training and logistical help as well as tens of millions of dollars for weapons” — and greenlighted the operation last week in Beirut. They also reported officers from Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps had trained Hamas.
Putin also likely saw an opening after Congress passed its 45-day continuing resolution last week that provided no additional funding for Ukraine.
Russia’s relationship with Iran — a principal supporter of Hamas — suggests a more nefarious relationship.
Hamas leaders traveled to Moscow in March 2023, where according to the Russian Foreign Ministry, their meeting “touched on Russia’s unchanged position in support of a just solution to the Palestinian problem.” More recently, Hamas politburo chief Ismail Haniyeh was in Moscow on Sept. 10. At the time, Hillel Frisch, a senior fellow at the Jerusalem Institute for Strategy and Security, thought the purpose of the meeting was “to signal [Moscow’s] displeasure with Israel, perhaps in relation to Ukraine.”
Given the events of Oct. 7, a more likely explanation would be that he back-briefed the Kremlin on Hamas’s final preparations for the attack timed to take place on Putin’s 71st birthday — a quid pro quo.
Other activities suggest Russian support and organization.
MSN
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Wagnerians trained Hamas terrorists for attack on Israel - Resistance Center of Ukraine reports
Part of the Wagner Private Military Company (PMC) fighters who left Belarus in the direction of African countries have been involved in training and transferring combat experience to Hamas terrorists, the National Resistance Center of Ukraine reported.The critical training areas for Hamas militants included storming operations and using small unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) to drop explosive materials.
The National Resistance Center adds that among the allies of Hamas, only Russians have experience using UAVs with dropping mechanisms. These mercenaries passed on their expertise to the militants during training in African countries.
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Russian Wagner group's hands are 'all over Hamas attack on Israel', expert claims
Russia's feared mercenary Wagner group has allegedly been training Hamas terrorists with the attacks on Israel having “Russian hands” on it, an expert has claimed.Earlier this week, it was reported that Chechen warlord Ramzan Kadyrov, a close ally of President Vladimir Putin, had offered to find a “peaceful solution” while also offering to back Hamas with “units ready” to do so. But now, according to an ex-Prime Minister of Ukraine, Russia might already be involved in the conflict, with its Wagner forces supposedly training fighters through its Syria base – and with Hamas using some of the group's signature moves.
Petro Poroshenko, speaking to Euractiv, said: “I’m absolutely convinced that there is Russian interest, Russian hands, in the preparation of the Hamas terror attack on Israel.
Russian Wagner group's hands 'all over Hamas attack on Israel', expert claims
A former leader of Ukraine has claimed that the Russian Wagner mercenary group has been training Hamas terrorists, and that 'Russian hands' are 'all over' the attacks
Wagner Trained Hamas Militants for Attack on Israel, Ukrainian Partisans Claim
Ukrainian partisans claim Wagner mercenaries trained Hamas fighters in assault tactics and the use of small UAVs in the deployment of explosive weapons.Elements of the Russian private military company (PMC) Wagner are alleged to have participated in the training of Hamas militants, the Ukrainian Center of National Resistance (CNR) reports.
“The Center of National Resistance thanks the Belarusian underground for the information about the enemy,” its message reads.
According to the CNR, the primary fields of training given to Hamas fighters included assault tactics and the use of small unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) to drop explosive devices on to vehicles and other targets, a technique documented during Hamas’s assault on Israel over the weekend.
The CNR underlined the view that among Hamas’s allies, only Russia possess experience in the use of drones equipped with the means to deploy explosive devices onto enemy targets.
Wagner Trained Hamas Militants for Attack on Israel, Ukrainian Partisans Claim
Ukrainian partisans claim Wagner mercenaries trained Hamas fighters in assault tactics and the use of small UAVs in the deployment of explosive weapons.
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Vladimir Putin's Wagner mercenary group involved in 'training Hamas terrorists'
The Russian mercenary Wagner army group was involved in training Hamas terrorists ahead of the weekend's deadly attacks in Israel, the Ukrainian military claimed yesterday.A spokesman for the centre, established by the Ukrainian army’s special operations forces, said: “Instructors of the Russian internationally-recognised criminal organisation Wagner PMC trained militants of the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas to attack Israel.”
During the Summer, Wagner fighters billeted in Belarus are understood to have left for Africa. Once there, they were “involved in training and transferring combat experience to Hamas militants,” according to the Ukrainians.
“Key training areas for Hamas militants were assault training and the use of small drones to drop explosive materials,” the spokesman for Ukraine’s national resistance centre said. “Only the Russians, among allies of Hamas, have experience in using drones with mechanisms for dropping explosives on enemy equipment.
“This is exactly what the Wagner mercenaries trained Hamas militants to do during exercises in Africa.”
Putin's Wagner mercenary group involved in 'training Hamas terrorists'
The Russian mercenary Wagner army group was involved in training Hamas terrorists ahead of the weekend's deadly attacks in Israel, the Ukrainian military claimed yesterday.
This is the smoking gun:
Russia gave captured US weapons to Hamas as a ploy to undermine Ukraine, report says
Russia is seeking to capitalize on the Hamas attacks against Israel by pushing disinformation and seeking to discredit Ukraine.
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Russia took captured weapons from the Ukrainian battlefield and gave them to Hamas.
And this too:
Wagner mercenaries involved in training Hamas militants for operations against Israel, Ukrainian military say
Wagner Group mercenaries who left Belarus for Africa were involved in training and transferring combat experience to the Palestinian militant group Hamas, which attacked Israel on Oct. 7, the Ukrainian Defense Ministry’s National Resistance Center has claimed.
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One of the two parties in the war in Ukraine trained Hamas. Either Russia or Ukraine.
How many major Ukrainian organizations linked to Hamas. Zero.
How many Russian organizations linked to Hamas. Wagner, the Russian media lets itself be a mouthpiece of Hamas, and the Russian government. Also, Iran supplying weapons to Russia. Syria, "ally of Russia".
Putins response is an admission of guilt.
Hamas praises Putin and Russia’s role in Israel conflict
The Palestinian Islamist group Hamas commended Russian dictator, Vladimir Putin, and “Russia’s tireless efforts” in the ongoing conflict with Israel, CNN reported on Oct. 14, citing a statement from the militant group.
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Russia benefits from the war in Gaza in three ways.
Russia can gain from Middle East turmoil — but it could backfire if the war spirals out of control
Russia stands to benefit from the Hamas-Israeli war but the conflict also carries big risks for Moscow, analysts say.
Ukraine would not be part of starting a war against Israel knowing it would draw a huge amount of foreign focus and aid, away from Ukraine. This tinfoil hat theory of Ukraine behind Hamas makes zero sense. Russia would want to spread chaos to divert global attention (and aid) away from Ukraine.
Ukraine needs weapons, a seemingly endless amount of weapons, yet according to Putin and the Muscovites, say Ukraine is selling weapons to the friends of Russia and Iran, terrorists no less. None of this adds up.
Has Russia done false flags before, yes:
The US warned of Russian false flags before the war involving blaming Russian crimes on Ukraine. And it looks as though the Americans are buying the Russian stories.
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How do you know it is not growing since all is maya? It is actually common sense mate. The war is in Ukraine, not in Russia. Apart from some occasional air base incursions, the industrial base of Russia is intact, Russian cities are intact, no matter how many Russians died, it is Ukraine that is getting destroyed. Without economic activity, nobody will pay taxes, so who is paying the salaries of the Ukrainian Army and Government? It is U S A. If the funding stops, the war is over. Lolololol
Well because we still wanna export to USA and earn those dollars to buy Middle Eastern oil and resources from other countries. Until RMB goes full throttle, the fact remains, we still need to tap the American market. But apart from China and India, almost everybody do not dare buy Russian oil. Even Europeans can only buy 'Chinese' diesel. Lolololol. You gotta understand, we are the only reason why Russia can still fight this war and have a growing economy. We supply them with bullet proof vests, components, IR lenses, and helmets. Lolololol. Don't forget both sides use Chinese drones, and even those they manufacture uses Chineze components.
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The cia behind the pro-West side of Ukraine:
www.globalresearch.ca
The cia have been connected to corrupt pro-West Ukrainian officials:
responsiblestatecraft.org
The tagteamers cia and fsb want to use Ukraine for destruction.
The cia does the attack and has dozens of "tinpot" Ukrainian agents ready to take credit:
Ukrainians are the new Muslims to blame for a false flag.
Anatomy of a Coup: How CIA Front Laid Foundations for Ukraine War - Global Research
In part, this stems from many of the CIA’s traditional responsibilities and activities being farmed out to “overt” organizations, most significantly the National Endowment for Democracy (NED).
www.globalresearch.ca
The cia have been connected to corrupt pro-West Ukrainian officials:
CIA ops, commandos in Ukraine: Can we just admit we are fighting this war?
'No boots on the ground' seems like an empty assurance considering this new report from the New York Times.
responsiblestatecraft.org
The tagteamers cia and fsb want to use Ukraine for destruction.
The cia does the attack and has dozens of "tinpot" Ukrainian agents ready to take credit:
Ukrainians are the new Muslims to blame for a false flag.
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Well, pointing out something and them understand those things are two different concepts........I thought that YOU being the Army guy already made that clear a loooooong time ago.
That's all I am gonna say
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