Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

[gambit]

I don't need that good luck , I got the forever war . what I might want more out of this conflict ?

but china help can increase Russia firepower several fold and there is no denying it.

Sure, let us grant you that. But is that helping Russia now?

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

so you step on your tablet not an ant hill
your story is just fake like the rest of your logics

You asked me to stand on ”this”.
Then You provided a photo on an ant hill.
I cannot be blamed for you being a failure when You give instructions.

I guess your wish that a real ant hill is stepped on is fully inline with you enjoying when Ukrainan civilians are targetted and killed.

I however is not going to destroy the works of ants to please your morbid wishes.

well we are not discussing if VKS did their job right , so the situation is different and also the china weapon can make a lot more difference . unlike north Korea their production capacity is nearly limit less , even without going into war mode

The situation would be very different if China invaded and grabbed Siberia as well.
What if the Mayor of the Moscow oblast arrested Putin and declared that they are leaving the Russian Federation…
When You leave reality, every thing is possible.

 

[Viet]

Haven’t been in this thread for a while what is the latest on Ukraine ?

Has the counter offensive started yet or NATO left Ukraine to help Israel ?

And then people wonder why Muslims support Russia

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it is a long war of atrition not over very soon. Ukraine army makes steady progress my friend. the goal is killing more opponents than getting killed. Russ blacksea fleet is finished. Ukraine just finished 2 additional russ vessels „Pawel Derschawin“ and „Professor Nikolai Muru“. all other russ vessels left Sewastopol and fled. that is the first war ever, where a country without navy annihilated a country with navy.

 

[khansaheeb]

West ‘tired’ of Ukraine, Zelensky’s finance minister admits

Securing financial aid is getting harder for Kiev, as the focus of Western allies shifts, the Ukrainian finance minister says

www.rt.com

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West 'tired' of Ukraine, Zelensky's finance minister admits​

Kiev’s donors are increasingly distracted by domestic problems and tensions in the Middle East, according to Sergey Marchenko

Ukraine's Finance Minister Sergey Marchenko. © Hannah McKay/Getty Images
Securing financial support is becoming more difficult for Kiev as the country's Western backers shift their focus to domestic matters and geopolitical tensions, the Ukrainian finance minister told Reuters on Saturday.
Speaking on the sidelines of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Bank meetings in Marrakech, Sergey Marchenko said Kiev is having to make “twice the effort right now to convince our partners to provide us with support compared to the last annual meetings” in spring.
“I see a lot of tiredness, I see a lot of weakness among our partners, they would like to forget about the war but the war is still ongoing, full-scale,” the minister said, referring to the conflict with Russia.
Among the factors diverting Western attention from Ukraine, the official named the hostilities between Palestinian militant group Hamas, which controls Gaza, and the Israeli Defense Forces. Many fear the conflict could spread to the broader Middle East, disrupting the entire global economy, as the region is a crucial supplier of energy and a key shipping hub.
Marchenko also pointed to next year’s elections in the US and Europe as another distraction. He stressed that “a geopolitical shift and internal political context in different countries” was making allies’ governments less focused on supporting Ukraine.
Kiev currently needs Western financial support to cover most of its $43 billion budget spending requirements in 2024.
“We already have some commitments, like $5.4 billion from the IMF program, and we expect commitments from Japan and United Kingdom, and of course, we rely on our key partners and allies the United States and European Union,” Marchenko said. Ukraine is also looking for ways to restructure its international debt and secure new financing, the official said, without providing a timeframe for when discussions with private creditors could begin.
READ MORE: EU state pledges to send profits from frozen Russian assets to Ukraine
Earlier this week, Marchenko wrote on X (formerly Twitter) that Ukraine had received a tranche of $1.2 billion in aid from Washington, bringing US support for Kiev this year to $10.9 billion. The EU promised Ukraine €18 billion ($18.9 billion) in aid this year, and Brussels is currently working on another €50 billion support package to be distributed from 2024 to 2027.
Also, Belgium announced earlier this week that it would transfer to Ukraine tax revenue worth €1.7 billion generated from Russian assets frozen by the Euroclear clearing house. The step was discussed in Marrakech, and according to a post-meeting statement from G7 central bank governors and finance ministers on Thursday, it may be replicated by other Western states, despite legal concerns. Marchenko said the decision shows that for Western states, handing Russian assets over to Ukraine now “sounds like a plan.”
Russia strongly opposes using its frozen assets as aid to Ukraine, arguing that it goes against international law, and calling it outright “theft.”

 

[Bengal71]

well we are not discussing if VKS did their job right , so the situation is different and also the china weapon can make a lot more difference . unlike north Korea their production capacity is nearly limit less , even without going into war mode

How? They don't have more industries than Russia obviously.

 

[MeFishToo]

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Russia might earn less money but don't forget Ukraine is earning nothing. They depend solely on Western handouts, once that tap is closed, it is over. Whether Russia becomes a Chinese vassal is irrelevant, the question is who can survive, it is certainly not Ukraine. Lololol. Remember China is not even offering Russia weapons, if we did that, the war is over.

I dont think you understood my question. I am asking how you, or the author of such article you posted, know that the russian economy is growing. There is no transparency, datasets are classified and Russia is using statistics as a central part of its information war.
Even if the numbers provided by Russia were true, producing artillery shells, armor and mobilised troops to be destroyed in Ukraine adds statistically to a countrys GDP. But even the most pro russian online troll knows a GDP boost based on military production is meaningless.

 

[mulj]

West ‘tired’ of Ukraine, Zelensky’s finance minister admits

Securing financial aid is getting harder for Kiev, as the focus of Western allies shifts, the Ukrainian finance minister says

www.rt.com

​

West 'tired' of Ukraine, Zelensky's finance minister admits​

Kiev’s donors are increasingly distracted by domestic problems and tensions in the Middle East, according to Sergey Marchenko

Ukraine's Finance Minister Sergey Marchenko. © Hannah McKay/Getty Images
Securing financial support is becoming more difficult for Kiev as the country's Western backers shift their focus to domestic matters and geopolitical tensions, the Ukrainian finance minister told Reuters on Saturday.
Speaking on the sidelines of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Bank meetings in Marrakech, Sergey Marchenko said Kiev is having to make “twice the effort right now to convince our partners to provide us with support compared to the last annual meetings” in spring.
“I see a lot of tiredness, I see a lot of weakness among our partners, they would like to forget about the war but the war is still ongoing, full-scale,” the minister said, referring to the conflict with Russia.
Among the factors diverting Western attention from Ukraine, the official named the hostilities between Palestinian militant group Hamas, which controls Gaza, and the Israeli Defense Forces. Many fear the conflict could spread to the broader Middle East, disrupting the entire global economy, as the region is a crucial supplier of energy and a key shipping hub.
Marchenko also pointed to next year’s elections in the US and Europe as another distraction. He stressed that “a geopolitical shift and internal political context in different countries” was making allies’ governments less focused on supporting Ukraine.
Kiev currently needs Western financial support to cover most of its $43 billion budget spending requirements in 2024.
“We already have some commitments, like $5.4 billion from the IMF program, and we expect commitments from Japan and United Kingdom, and of course, we rely on our key partners and allies the United States and European Union,” Marchenko said. Ukraine is also looking for ways to restructure its international debt and secure new financing, the official said, without providing a timeframe for when discussions with private creditors could begin.
READ MORE: EU state pledges to send profits from frozen Russian assets to Ukraine
Earlier this week, Marchenko wrote on X (formerly Twitter) that Ukraine had received a tranche of $1.2 billion in aid from Washington, bringing US support for Kiev this year to $10.9 billion. The EU promised Ukraine €18 billion ($18.9 billion) in aid this year, and Brussels is currently working on another €50 billion support package to be distributed from 2024 to 2027.
Also, Belgium announced earlier this week that it would transfer to Ukraine tax revenue worth €1.7 billion generated from Russian assets frozen by the Euroclear clearing house. The step was discussed in Marrakech, and according to a post-meeting statement from G7 central bank governors and finance ministers on Thursday, it may be replicated by other Western states, despite legal concerns. Marchenko said the decision shows that for Western states, handing Russian assets over to Ukraine now “sounds like a plan.”
Russia strongly opposes using its frozen assets as aid to Ukraine, arguing that it goes against international law, and calling it outright “theft.”

in other words, they are thrown under the bus.

 

[MeFishToo]

in other words, they are thrown under the bus.

Thats what RT wants you to believe. The war in Ukraine is obviously not the headline right now, but financial support is not a problem.

 

[mulj]

Thats what RT wants you to believe. The war in Ukraine is obviously not the headline right now, but financial support is not a problem.

obviously it is and even if it is not, it does not help anymore, they are stuck and lost all realistic chances to change situation on fronts.

 

[The SC]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1713491732631883884

 

[Viet]

Ukrainian offensive is officialy finished and disaster for their goals, consequences will be that they lost all offensive potential and now the russians can continue to grind them without to much concerns about their pushes and wait their moment.

Same can be said to Russia.
The russians lose more tanks per day than they can replenish.
The think tank ISW institute of war estimates Russia’s only tank factory makes 20 tanks per month, so less than 1 tank per day.
Russia ongoing offensive at Awdijiwka costs the Russians at peak 45 tanks per day.

 

[mulj]

Same can be said to Russia.
The russians lose more tanks per day than they can replenish.
ISW institute of war estimates Russia’s only tank factory makes 20 tanks per month, so less than 1 tank per day.
Russia ongoing offensive at Awdijiwka costs at peak 45 tanks per day.

it is proven now that we can not believe nothing from western sources, sure they have some troubles but overall upper hand in conflict and they gained muslim world as hidden or open allies for long time ahead and legitimized their actions.

 

[The SC]

The Russians Are Looking For Weak Points In The Defense Of The AFU. Military Summary For 2023.10.16​

 

[hussain0216]

Going by the fact that at least the EU has said that Israel is violating international law by doing so, it means that you are a liar.

Saying means bullshit

They in every way are supporting the oppression, occupation and siege

 

[Viet]

it is proven now that we can not believe nothing from western sources, sure they have some troubles but overall upper hand in conflict and they gained muslim world as hidden or open allies for long time ahead and legitimized their actions.

The arab armies combined can’t defeat Israel in wars in the past, nor in the future. Second, Russia is not a friend of Muslims. Putin prefers throwing Russ minority especially the Muslim ethnics to dead march in Ukraine.
Perhaps it’s time to accept the reality and move on.