Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

[khansaheeb]

Not really.

Putin questioned ukraine statehood, and just invaded a sovereign nation (which it vowed to protect by the way, for giving up nuclear weapons). Trying to annex huge parts of land while flattening villages on the way.

The moment putin calls back his orcs, the moment the war is over. Zelenski offered to talk with putin, macron talked, it was simple…putin did not want to talk peace.


What is russias objective?
Lose its entire modern standing army, having multiple neutral nations join nato, have ukraine firmly anti-russian and set to join eu?

defending Kiev and remaining a state instead of being completely cut in two or under a puppet regime is already a strategic win for ukraine

To liberate the Donbass region which they have successfully done.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1556247724676218881

https://twitter.com/x/status/1556392828858662914

The Biden administration is really desperate if they're going around in Africa, and telling them not to buy Russia's oil with Rubles.

 

[qwerrty]

It's amazing how in the Western media coverage has been tone downed.

 

[RoadAmerica]

I suppose The Kyiv Independent told you that.



Why ?



Really ? Have you seen Russian missiles or bomber aircraft flattening Kiev or any power station ? Just an example.

Haha they don’t have air superiority and they never will

Before the war started, Ukrainians had 250,000 active duty military personnel and 530,000 reserve forces.

They had countless air defense, missile, howitzers, tanks, and fighter jets.

They had and still have the support of NATO which provides countless financial and military support including missiles, rockets, aerial, naval, and sattelite imagery, guidance, and intelligence support.

They have a terrain that is full of forests and rivers, which are perfect hide-outs for an army that is waging an asymmetric warfare.

Most importantly, as former Marine Colonel and UN Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter confirmed, Ukraine could militarily beat any nation in NATO except USA and Turkey.

Furthermore, Russia was imposed the most severe economic embargo that any nation had ever faced. It was a siege designed to suffocate the Russian economy.

So when you look at those conditions, Russia liberating the whole LPR and most of DPR in addition to big towns in the South such as Meriupol, Kherson, and others, clearly point to the overwhelming odds the Russians faced and their military superiority for gradually defeating Ukraine backed by NATO.

Russia fighting inch by inch means they want to minimize their casualties while inflicting heavy losses on Ukrainian forces. Russians are truly providing a classical textbook of how to defeat an army backed by powerful adversary like NATO. It is a miracle that Russia survived the siege while making a gradual progress in the battle-field.

Minimize casualties, do you even believe the crap you shovel

 

[The SC]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1556236938931085313

https://twitter.com/x/status/1556252791554834433

 

[Vergennes]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1556347691906596865

https://twitter.com/x/status/1556342220822831105

https://twitter.com/x/status/1556397504522031104

https://twitter.com/x/status/1556348017636253696

 

[That Guy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1556236938931085313

https://twitter.com/x/status/1556252791554834433

This is absolutely moronic if true. You don't start another offensive after taking territory, you consolidate.

This is why the Russians are facing such a high level insurgency in areas they've taken, and are suffering deep losses.

The Russian military and political systems are filled with idiots.

 

[aviator_fan]

If you read post 1786, that is the tone about the US in PDF. The US was 'defeated' in Iraq, and everywhere else. Just go along with it.

I agree, US was defeated everywhere except Granada. That is why Afghanistan is much better place with 80% at starvation. And middle east (Iraq, Syria) are at their military strength and economic prosperity that the Israelis shiver in their pants when they go to sleep. That would have only happened if US lost and we know on this forum that they lost because a few 100 snipers over a decade picked off 4000 soldiers.

This is what you simple minded Mericuns can't seem to grasp.

Military force is an extension of political policy. Sure, the Mericun military is outstanding at "defeating" peasants, goat herders, and a country like Iraq that was brought to its knees through crippling sanctions for over 10 years that left over 500,000 children dead, which was endorsed by your politicians, not to mention the 100,000s civilians killed directly by the "mighty" Mericun military.

But Iraq has been effectively handed over to full control of Iran, which can now pose a direct threat to Israel, with way more capability that Iraq could ever dream about. And Afghanistan is back in full control of the Taliban again, and seems to be harbouring and supporting terrorist groups again...it's like the past 20 years never happened and Afghanistan is back to how it was in 2001. If you want to call that a "strategic" victory, go right ahead

Yes you believe that: Israel somehow is under threat when every day they are bolder in their actions in occupied territories, and hitting Iran through assassinations in-country. This never happened up until 3-4 years. I think its a good dream for you to feel good that Iran poses a direct threat to Isreal, but certainly is not how Israel acts on a daily basis. Unless you think this is all a trap that Iranians have cunningly set for Israel that will unfold after your and my lifetime (by which time all occupied territories will be emptied out) and every GCC country will be a partner to Israel (only Saudi Arabia needs to come around)

Hardly an endorsement of your Iran theory!

 

[Viet]

Before the war started, Ukrainians had 250,000 active duty military personnel and 530,000 reserve forces.

They had countless air defense, missile, howitzers, tanks, and fighter jets.

They had and still have the support of NATO which provides countless financial and military support including missiles, rockets, aerial, naval, and sattelite imagery, guidance, and intelligence support.

They have a terrain that is full of forests and rivers, which are perfect hide-outs for an army that is waging an asymmetric warfare.

Most importantly, as former Marine Colonel and UN Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter confirmed, Ukraine could militarily beat any nation in NATO except USA and Turkey.

Furthermore, Russia was imposed the most severe economic embargo that any nation had ever faced. It was a siege designed to suffocate the Russian economy.

So when you look at those conditions, Russia liberating the whole LPR and most of DPR in addition to big towns in the South such as Meriupol, Kherson, and others, clearly point to the overwhelming odds the Russians faced and their military superiority for gradually defeating Ukraine backed by NATO.

Russia fighting inch by inch means they want to minimize their casualties while inflicting heavy losses on Ukrainian forces. Russians are truly providing a classical textbook of how to defeat an army backed by powerful adversary like NATO. It is a miracle that Russia survived the siege while making a gradual progress in the battle-field.

What the lame excuse for a country with a military second to the US. You will probably give the weather in Ukraine for Russia incompetence.

This is absolutely moronic if true. You don't start another offensive after taking territory, you consolidate.

This is why the Russians are facing such a high level insurgency in areas they've taken, and are suffering deep losses.

The Russian military and political systems are filled with idiots.

The offensive is not surprising. Russia goal has not changed. Lavrov said it recently they will exterminate Ukraine.

 

[Type59]

What the lame excuse for a country with a military second to the US.

What's lame is that people think war is predictable.

Unfortunately alot of simpletons on this forum and globally.

 

[Viet]

What's lame is that people think war is predictable.

Unfortunately alot of simpletons on this forum and globally.

War is back and forth. Russia now took 20 percent of Ukraine after 6 months. lost almost all best men and equipment. Ukraine however lacks weapons to take back territory. By this pace the war can last another 10 years.
Russia economy would be on the level of Syria when the war is over.

 

[Lehrasap]

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It is stupid to claim and believe in such conspiracy theory. It is the population of Ukraine which hates Putin for his aggressive behavior and his wish to usurp the liberty of Ukraine and make it a part of Russia forcefully.

 

[Type59]

War is back and forth. Russia now took 20 percent of Ukraine after 6 months. lost almost all best men and equipment. Ukraine however lacks weapons to take back territory. By this pace the war can last another 10 years.
Russia economy would be on the level of Syria when the war is over.

Maybe...

 

[Viet]

Maybe...

Putin can’t defy economic logic.
he needs money to finance the gov budget and army. Where to take the money? 2/3 of the money comes from energy exports. Now there is a big problem on the horizon. Take gas. Gazprom sells 180 billion cubic meters gas to Europe, only 10 billion cubic meters to China. The chinese would need to increase imports by 18x if Europe stops buying. Or Europe buys less. That’s impossible. Even if, I don’t think Chinese are so stupid to buy everything from Putin. Europe learns a hard lesson. Putin is unpredictable, he is seeking wars. Europe buying less then to nothing from Russia is expected to happen next year.

Germany will complete the first gas imports terminal by end of this year.

 

[ZeGerman]

Putin can’t defy economic logic.
he needs money to finance the gov budget and army. Where to take the money? 2/3 of the money comes from energy exports. Now there is a big problem on the horizon. Take gas. Gazprom sells 180 billion cubic meters gas to Europe, only 10 billion cubic meters to China. The chinese would need to increase imports by 18x if Europe stops buying. Or Europe buys less. That’s impossible. Even if, I don’t think Chinese are so stupid to buy everything from Putin. Europe learns a hard lesson. Putin is unpredictable, he is seeking wars. Europe buying less then to nothing from Russia is expected to happen next year.

Germany will complete the first gas imports terminal by end of this year.

If not for the timing (post corona shortages), massively fueling energy cost already…russias economy would be in a much more dire strait.

But with no more gas to europe, russia simply does not have the infrastructure to sell that amount to others yet.

Now If energy prices also reduce due to recession….russia will be completely screwed if the war and sanctions would still be ongoing spring next year.