Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

[jhungary]

U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991

There are 30 documents in the National Security Archive in The George Washington University ... and no one will read them ... Because in the West there is no longer the slightest trace of Reality or interest in knowledge.

This dreadful tragedy will break several world records: the most publicized catastrophe, in 1997 in 2008 and in 2014, the most colossal media bubble, and the highest peak of the cynical cruelty of the ruling class in London and Washington.

What James Baker said has been debunk many time, by none other than the man Mikhail Gorbachev himself from a 2014 Russian Beyond (sister publication of Russia Today)

Mikhail Gorbachev: I am against all walls

The first and last president of the Soviet Union spoke with RBTH about the past and how it should inform the present.

www.rbth.com

RBTH: One of the key issues that has arisen in connection with the events in Ukraine is NATO expansion into the East. Do you get the feeling that your Western partners lied to you when they were developing their future plans in Eastern Europe? Why didn’t you insist that the promises made to you – particularly U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s promise that NATO would not expand into the East – be legally encoded? I will quote Baker: “NATO will not move one inch further east.”

M.G.: The topic of “NATO expansion” was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. I say this with full responsibility. Not a singe Eastern European country raised the issue, not even after the Warsaw Pact ceased to exist in 1991. Western leaders didn’t bring it up, either. Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces from the alliance would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement, mentioned in your question, was made in that context. Kohl and [German Vice Chancellor Hans-Dietrich] Genscher talked about it.

Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled. The agreement on a final settlement with Germany said that no new military structures would be created in the eastern part of the country; no additional troops would be deployed; no weapons of mass destruction would be placed there. It has been observed all these years. So don’t portray Gorbachev and the then-Soviet authorities as naïve people who were wrapped around the West’s finger. If there was naïveté, it was later, when the issue arose. Russia at first did not object.

The decision for the U.S. and its allies to expand NATO into the east was decisively made in 1993. I called this a big mistake from the very beginning. It was definitely a violation of the spirit of the statements and assurances made to us in 1990. With regards to Germany, they were legally enshrined and are being observed.

 

[Ahmadbhutta01]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1635766881628876800

Baby calm down, calm down
The russian air force just shot it down

 

[Vergennes]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1635771253003886593

 

[Oldman1]

Well, since USS Donald Dork...

Oh you mean the Russian claims about the crew quitting and the ship shut down?

I personally think it was cannoned down but this story has been published to help de-escalate and lighten the blow.

Best way to de-escalate is give the UAVs own fighter escorts. Cause if they want to start shooting down the drones, then NATO will have to respond in kind by taking down Russian drones.

LOL What has it on board? Subsonic and low supersonic?

Both?

 

[gambit]

So...How true is this...

Activist Says Russia Is Sending Female Prisoners To Ukraine

Russia is sending female prison inmates to work in occupied regions of eastern Ukraine, a Russian rights activist said.

www.rferl.org

Russia is sending female prison inmates to work in occupied regions of eastern Ukraine, a Russian rights activist said.​

 

[Viet]

What James Baker said has been debunk many time, by none other than the man Mikhail Gorbachev himself from a 2014 Russian Beyond (sister publication of Russia Today)

Mikhail Gorbachev: I am against all walls

The first and last president of the Soviet Union spoke with RBTH about the past and how it should inform the present.

www.rbth.com

RBTH: One of the key issues that has arisen in connection with the events in Ukraine is NATO expansion into the East. Do you get the feeling that your Western partners lied to you when they were developing their future plans in Eastern Europe? Why didn’t you insist that the promises made to you – particularly U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s promise that NATO would not expand into the East – be legally encoded? I will quote Baker: “NATO will not move one inch further east.”

M.G.: The topic of “NATO expansion” was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. I say this with full responsibility. Not a singe Eastern European country raised the issue, not even after the Warsaw Pact ceased to exist in 1991. Western leaders didn’t bring it up, either. Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces from the alliance would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement, mentioned in your question, was made in that context. Kohl and [German Vice Chancellor Hans-Dietrich] Genscher talked about it.

Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled. The agreement on a final settlement with Germany said that no new military structures would be created in the eastern part of the country; no additional troops would be deployed; no weapons of mass destruction would be placed there. It has been observed all these years. So don’t portray Gorbachev and the then-Soviet authorities as naïve people who were wrapped around the West’s finger. If there was naïveté, it was later, when the issue arose. Russia at first did not object.

The decision for the U.S. and its allies to expand NATO into the east was decisively made in 1993. I called this a big mistake from the very beginning. It was definitely a violation of the spirit of the statements and assurances made to us in 1990. With regards to Germany, they were legally enshrined and are being observed.

USSR and later Russia never rejected Nato expansion. Putin himself said in 2002, it’s Ukraine and Nato to decide whether or not to join the pact.

The NATO only promised not to install Nato weapons and troops on eastern part of Germany, no additional offensive capability in Eastern Europe, no additional nuclear weapons, no additional nuclear tactical and no ballistic missiles.

In contrast, Russia has built up huge offensive capability, both conventional and nuclear, deploying tactic and ballistic missiles that threaten eastern and Central Europe.

Who threatens whom?

 

[TopGun786]

Please dont tell me you believe this russian fairy tail too?? I swear I will put you on ignore if you do.
Edit, you joined:
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I am sorry.... But just wanted to ask why are you afraid of these guys?

 

[kingQamaR]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1635771253003886593

Prisoners never make good soldiers …

 

[Viet]

Just one year into the war Russia suffers 270,000 casualties dead and wounded as per independent counting. Higher than 200,000 men as per the US and NATO estimate. The casualty rate rising to 1,000 men per day. That’s unsustainable even for a big country as Russia.

Did the Ukrainian Army Kill 1,100 Russians In A Single Day? It’s Certainly Possible.

While it’s always wise to be skeptical of any claim that an army makes about its enemy’s losses, there are good reasons to believe the Russians really could bury a thousand troops in a day.

www.forbes.com

 

[TopGun786]

Just one year into the war Russia suffers 270,000 casualties dead and wounded as per independent counting. Higher than 200,000 men as per the US and NATO estimate. The casualty rate rising to 1,000 men per day. That’s unsustainable even for a big country as Russia.

Did the Ukrainian Army Kill 1,100 Russians In A Single Day? It’s Certainly Possible.

While it’s always wise to be skeptical of any claim that an army makes about its enemy’s losses, there are good reasons to believe the Russians really could bury a thousand troops in a day.

www.forbes.com

Yes according to ''Forbes''.

 

[Viet]

Yes according to ''Forbes''.

Conflict intelligence team

Conflict Intelligence Team on Teletype

notes.citeam.org

 

[jhungary]

So...How true is this...

Activist Says Russia Is Sending Female Prisoners To Ukraine

Russia is sending female prison inmates to work in occupied regions of eastern Ukraine, a Russian rights activist said.

www.rferl.org

Russia is sending female prison inmates to work in occupied regions of eastern Ukraine, a Russian rights activist said.​

I can tell you one thing.

If they were really sending female prisoner to Ukraine, it ain't gonna be for fighting.....If you catch what I mean...

 

[CSAW]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1635878321899667458

 

[jhungary]

USSR and later Russia never rejected Nato expansion. Putin himself said in 2002, it’s Ukraine and Nato to decide whether or not to join the pact.

The NATO only promised not to install Nato weapons and troops on eastern part of Germany, no additional offensive capability in Eastern Europe, no additional nuclear weapons, no additional nuclear tactical and no ballistic missiles.

In contrast, Russia has built up huge offensive capability, both conventional and nuclear, deploying tactic and ballistic missiles that threaten eastern and Central Europe.

Who threatens whom?

Well, considering Russia wanted to join NATO themselves back in 1998, they don't seems to be worry about NATO reaching Russia shore if they themselves want to be a part of it......

There were never talks on NATO expansion, and if there were, Russia would have said something to NATO charter during the preceding 30 years already.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

well , I give it to you early Europeans were more advanced and ruthless killer than early Iranian , just look how they immortalize their brutality and savagery.
all due to the lack of findings

Or they show how they they defend against a Persian invasion.

Again, you make a claim without proof.
That Iranian have no such images is no proof that Iranians were not more ruthless in war.
The images simply indicates that Iranians are more primitive, but it might also be that such images exists, but has not been found because todays Iranians are less curious about their history.

And your comment is part of your usual hate speech, so it will be reported as racism.