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Zelensky: I ordered the army to attack Moscow..
This is not new, the Americans and the British preceded them in this thing..
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You are right and that is by design: while I am opposed to this war, I don't take the position that any of the countries supporting Ukraine are morally upstanding. Everybody has had their finger in the sort of things Russia is doing now, some have succeeded (like UK in changing the structure of the Imamate in Oman to install the Sultan in the 50s) , those that failed (US in Vietnam) and those that were somewhere in the middle (US getting rid of Saddam to benefit Israel).How funny that at all the countries you listed up the US was/is military involved
Don't believe if the shit really hits the fan that Russia will opt for nukes straight.thats an obvious, do you think Russia will let Ukraine try to take crimea or even annexed regions.?
Russia will end up using tactical nukes low yield at key locations in Ukraine
it will be upto west to reply with full on nukes and invite a reciprocal nuclear response or to suck it up
those who think this cant happen should look at japan, where USA used nukes even though japan was practically defeated they just wanted japan to uncondtional surrender its own country
i wont be surprised if russia does the same
afterwards west will have two option
respond or dont respond
I don't know how people can be so delusional here to think Russians would just allow Ukrainians to roll over donbass and Crimea.
In case of conventional Russian defeat, which isn't likely right now, Russians will use tactical nukes and y'all think that west will put its future on stake more likely annihilation and nuke back Russia?
Ukraine is just a pawn, just like Afghanistan, Americans don't care about single Ukrainian life, rest is just noise.
Don't believe if the shit really hits the fan that Russia will opt for nukes straight.
There are plenty of interm options they can use, like use chemical weapons or blowing up a supply train in Poland just to show intent.
Russia controls the escalation ladder in its near abroad and their is shit all NATO can do about it.
It is NATO that decides how they will react if Russia attacks NATO.Don't believe if the shit really hits the fan that Russia will opt for nukes straight.
There are plenty of interm options they can use, like use chemical weapons or blowing up a supply train in Poland just to show intent.
Russia controls the escalation ladder in its near abroad and their is shit all NATO can do about it.
Well, the thing is that there was Minsk I and Minsk II. And both were signed by France, Germany, Russia and Ukraine. And both let the Donbas within Ukraine. The only condition was: Ukraine had to stop bombing and killing people in Donbas. But Ukraine didnt stop.You are right and that is by design: while I am opposed to this war, I don't take the position that any of the countries supporting Ukraine are morally upstanding. Everybody has had their finger in the sort of things Russia is doing now, some have succeeded (like UK in changing the structure of the Imamate in Oman to install the Sultan in the 50s) , those that failed (US in Vietnma) and those that were somewhere in the middle (US getting rid of Saddam to benefit Israel).
But because this thread is limited to Ukraine, I focus on this specific theater. There is no moral high ground that anybody attacking or support Ukraine has, other than Ukraine defending itself.
Well, the thing is that there was Minsk I and Minsk II. And both were signed by France, Germany, Russia and Ukraine. And both let the Donbas within Ukraine. The only condition was: Ukraine had to stop bombing and killing people in Donbas. But Ukraine didnt stop.
Meanwhile we know through statements from Merkel and Hollande some weeks ago, that it was never meant to implement Minsk I and Minsk II by the west and Ukraine. Merkel (also Hollande) said: Minsk-treaty was only to get more time to arm Ukraine for a war against Russia. Let that sink in.
So Ukraine bomb on and kill on people in Donbas regardles of the signed treaties. With million refugees fled to Russia. To stop the killings Russia then marched in to end this Genocide.
So all other states who were involved at that time - France, Germany, Ukraine, England, USA - shit and piss on the killed in Donbas.
Dont ever tell me something about "moral high ground" again.