Russia to build 1000MW nuke power plant in BD

[Stumper]

From a hinterland and agrarian country, we are fast moving towards urbanization. Not all cities are as big as Dhaka and Chittagong. Only now Dhaka is thinking to build expressway or subway. Nevertheless, Dhaka is quite a big city and much of its land is being gradually filled with skyscrappers. See the link below to get a glimpse of Dhaka:

Another tremor jolts country

EastWatch : I don't doubt your countries capabilities and potential (if that was your intention). You also wont see me demeaning BD on poverty-religion (which i have always maintained as a regional problem for Ind-Pk-Bangd). My outburst has been always again couple of BD members name calling my country when they themselves don't have ANY moral high ground to stand on.

 

[Imran Khan]

good news for BD congs guys when you have shortige of 235 just miss call us we send you lol.

 

[eastwatch]

good news for BD congs guys when you have shortige of 235 just miss call us we send you lol.

Thanks for the good offer. But, BD will certainly not need any plutonium 235. We do not have Kashmir problem, although we have some (not that minor) territorial issues with our two bigger neighbours. We are also a signatory to the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty.

But, to have a nuke plant even for power generation is a great achievement in itself, although we do not have the technology to build one by ourselves. Hell, we are even importing the sewing machines from abroad.

Imran Khan, one thing I would like to ask to all the Pakistani posters. Does Pakistan build its steam, diesel or electric railway engines by itself? BD has not yet built or cannot build any. This non-doing makes a great difference with India. Steam engine was concieved and built in the late 17th century and was perfected by James Watt in the mid-18th century. It is a shame that we cannot even build one by ourselves even though it is early 21st century.

India can build even the electric ones, and many other technically advanced machines and equipments by itself. This is why India is a truly developing country, but BD remains an underdeveloped country in every definition of this word. I am not sure what Pakistan should do, but I must say BD should follow Indian example of designing and producing capital machineries by itself.

Sorry for the off topic remarks and no offense is intended towards Pakistan.

 

[Imran Khan]

as i know pakistan grounded its steam engines in musiams long time before.i post some info from offical site of PR.
we use diesel engines and produce diesel engines also.


Manufacturing & Services Unit
Headed by the General Manager Manufacturing & Services, this unit is composed of:

1. Concrete Sleeper Factories, ( CSF )

2. Carriage Factory. Islamabad, ( CFI )

3. Locomotive Factory, Risalpur.

4. Rehabilitation Project, Moghalpura Lahore.

5. Medical and Health Service.

6. Railway Construction Company ( RAILCOP )

7. Pakistan Railway Advisory & Consultancy Services ( PRACS )

8. Educational Facilities.





Concrete Sleeper Factories ( CSF ):

Pakistan Railway own five concrete sleeper factories, located at Sukkur, Khanewal, Kohat Cantt. , Shahinabad and Kotri. The factory at Sukkur was established in 1967, first in the sub-continent. other four factories came up in 1979-80. 514 Persons are working in CSF / Organization.





Pakistan Locomotive Factory, Risalpur

The locomotive manufacturing factory was established at Risalpur in 1993 at a total cost of Rs. 2284 million including a foreign exchange component of Rs. 1469 million. It is a modern factory and is equipped with state of the art plant & machinery. This factory is spread over an area of 257 acres, out of which 100 acres are covered by the factory while on the remaining 157 acres is the staff colony.

The design production capacity of the factory is 25 diesel electric locomotives per annum on single shift basis. The production capacity can however be increased by increased by introducing double shifts. The technology for manufacturing of locomotives has been acquired from Hitachi Ltd. Japan, General Electric ( USA ) / Adtranz ( Germany ) and dalian Locomotive & Rolling Stock Works, China. The factory has achieved the design capacity of 02 locomotives per month in the on going project of 69 DE Locomotives.

Pakistan Locomotive factory has so far manufactured 97 new Diesel Electric Locomotives of 2000-3000 hp for Pakistan Railways Besides manufacturing of new locomotives 26 overage Locomotives of 2000-2400 hp have also been rehabilitated by this factory. In addition to this, different spare parts of locomotives are also being manufactured on regular basis for use on Pakistan Railways. The locomotives manufactured in this factory are successfully operating the important main line trains and their performance and reliability's satisfactory. The factory has saved foreign exchange of Rs.1392 million on account of local manufacture.


Locomotive Rehabilitation Project Moghalpura, Lahore
The Diesel Electric Locomotive is the main source of power Traction Service. The expensive unit can not be replaced so frequently. Rehabilitation of Locomotive increases its useful life manifold for further service with less amount of expenditure. On this basis, PR set up a Project in 1976 in the Moghalpura Workshops Lahore, for the Rehabilitation of aging D.E. Locomotives, giving them a new lease of life of 15-20 years.

Railway Constructions Pakistan Limited (Railcop)
Railway Constructions Pakistan Limited ( RAILCOP), a subsidiary of Ministry of Railways was incorporated as a Public Limited Company in 1980 under the Companies Act 1913, with an initial investment of Rs. 0.5 million. Due to progress in construction activities the turn over of the company is Rs.775.0 million during the financial Year 2007-2008.


Pakistan Railway Advisory & Consultancy Services Limited (PRACS)
Pakistan Railway Advisory & Consultancy Services ( PRACS ) is public Limited company, which was established in the year 1976 and registered under Company's Act 1913 ( later on converted in to Companies Ordance 1984 ).



http://pakrail.com/infopak2.asp

 

[TopCat]

Thanks for the good offer. But, BD will certainly not need any plutonium 235. We do not have Kashmir problem, although we have some (not that minor) territorial issues with our two bigger neighbours. We are also a signatory to the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty.

But, to have a nuke plant even for power generation is a great achievement in itself, although we do not have the technology to build one by ourselves. Hell, we are even importing the sewing machines from abroad.

Imran Khan, one thing I would like to ask to all the Pakistani posters. Does Pakistan build its steam, diesel or electric railway engines by itself? BD has not yet built or cannot build any. This non-doing makes a great difference with India. Steam engine was concieved and built in the late 17th century and was perfected by James Watt in the mid-18th century. It is a shame that we cannot even build one by ourselves even though it is early 21st century.

India can build even the electric ones, and many more technically advanced machines and equipments by itself. This is why India is a truly developing country, but BD remains an underdeveloped country in every definition of this word. I am not sure what Pakistan should do, but I must say BD should follow Indian example of designing and producing capital machineries by itself.

Sorry for the off topic remarks and no offense is intended towards Pakistan.

Reciprocating engine is not that complex to make, even you can build one in your backyard if you can mold and cast and have few decent lathe machine. But the question is about precision which makes your engine viable or not. First Steam engine buit by James watt had a piston tolerance more than few centimeter (its the clearance between piston ring and cylinder. you need to change the ring after few thousands miles because it wears out and engines power decreases) which is in current standard a Junk and you have to bring that down to fraction of milimeter only to meet the current environmental regulation.

Ofcourse Bangladesh can build locomotive if the goverment invest and willing to buy technology and subsidise it but no private company will come forward as the market size is very small. Its all about business. The good example is Iran which can build everything yet they have uneployment rate of 30% and 25% inflation on a year to year basis. All of their manufacturing industry is running on huge losses and through government subsidy and became a burden to the whole economy.

 

[TopCat]

Out of curiosity .... why is Canada not in contention?

It may be about comfortability. Russia is involved in our power sector since long. Most of Russian power plant which are 30 years old and still producing electricity. But other plants bought from other sources in later days breaks down everyday.
Russians are good. Also Russians were very eager to get involved in our Nuclear sector. They pressed hard and agreed to all of our conditions. Canada never came to anybody's mind.

 

[eastwatch]

Reciprocating engine is not that complex to make, even you can build one in your backyard if you can mold and cast and have few decent lathe machine. But the question is about precision which makes your engine viable or not. First Steam engine buit by James watt had a piston tolerance more than few centimeter (its the clearance between piston ring and cylinder. you need to change the ring after few thousands miles because it wears out and engines power decreases) which is in current standard a Junk and you have to bring that down to fraction of milimeter only to meet the current environmental regulation.

Ofcourse Bangladesh can build locomotive if the goverment invest and willing to buy technology and subsidise it but no private company will come forward as the market size is very small. Its all about business. The good example is Iran which can build everything yet they have uneployment rate of 30% and 25% inflation on a year to year basis. All of their manufacturing industry is running on huge losses and through government subsidy and became a burden to the whole economy.

Producing engines or computers or airplanes seems to be very easy, a few lathe machines will do the tricks. But BD cannot even produce the needles for sewing machines, that is the reality. How come even this item is so difficult to produce, although it has market here? It seems, we are bad learners comparing even to Indians and Pakistanis, although we are famous for saying CHAPA like we are the best brains in the world.

 

[Stumper]

It may be about comfortability. Russia is involved in our power sector since long. Most of Russian power plant which are 30 years old and still producing electricity. But other plants bought from other sources in later days breaks down everyday.
Russians are good. Also Russians were very eager to get involved in our Nuclear sector. They pressed hard and agreed to all of our conditions. Canada never came to anybody's mind.

We have a major support/parts issue with them... just a thought.

 

[Stumper]

Producing engines or computers or airplanes seems to be very easy, a few lathe machines will do the tricks. But BD cannot even produce the needles for sewing machines, that is the reality. How come even this item is so difficult to produce, although it has market here? It seems, we are bad learners comparing even to Indians and Pakistanis, although we are famous for saying CHAPA like we are the best brains in the world.

More than brains, its more to do with kind of resources (power, land, water, etc) made available to industries, incentives (rebates, red tapism, availability of fund's, etc) and local skill set's.

 

[eastwatch]

More than brains, its more to do with kind of resources (power, land, water, etc) made available to industries, incentives (rebates, red tapism, availability of fund's, etc) and local skill set's.

Thank you for what you have noted in your post. Every human being has brain, so a talented individual person can invent something. But, to produce, something more than brain and lathe machine are required. It is surely power, land and water, but it is also the monetary capital, organization, market, Bank support, entrepreneurship etc that combinedly work to produce a good.

I said of steam engine only as a symbol, it is not necessary to invent shoes (Juta Abishkar) when it is already available in the market. I would like to note that there are thousands of manufactured goods that are produced only by machines. A country that has acquired the knowhow to produce these machines (or capital goods, as an economist would say) is regarded as a developed country.

India is a REAL developing country because it possesses many of these knowhows and is in the process of acquiring many more. However, BD is not capable to produce a capital machine that can churn out industrial needles. Therefore, I would say BD is still an underdeveloped country. Building a ship is surely a super thing, but to do that, a shipbuilder needs gas cutters, electrically operated lathe machines, welding machines & rods etc.

BD builds ships, but it cannot produce all the backward goods mentioned above. Therefore, India's position as a developing country is much higher because it can produce these supporting industrial goods.

Pakistan also has acquired technology, but it is mostly for military use. But, a day will come when the organizations (read, Companies) which are producing war machines today, will also produce capital & consumer goods in the future.

 

[Stumper]

Thank you for what you have noted in your post. Every human being has brain, so a talented individual person can invent something. But, to produce, something more than brain and lathe machine are required. It is surely power, land and water, but it is also the monetary capital, organization, market, Bank support, entrepreneurship etc that combinedly work to produce a good.

I said of steam engine only as a symbol, it is not necessary to invent shoes (Juta Abishkar) when it is already available in the market. I would like to note that there are thousands of manufactured goods that are produced only by machines. A country that has acquired the knowhow to produce these machines (or capital goods, as an economist would say) is regarded as a developed country.

India is a REAL developing country because it possesses many of these knowhows and is in the process of acquiring many more. However, BD is not capable to produce a capital machine that can churn out industrial needles. Therefore, I would say BD is still an underdeveloped country. Building a ship is surely a super thing, but to do that, a shipbuilder needs gas cutters, electrically operated lathe machines, welding machines & rods etc.

BD builds ships, but it cannot produce all the backward goods mentioned above. Therefore, India's position as a developing country is much higher because it can produce these supporting industrial goods.

Pakistan also has acquired technology, but it is mostly for military use. But, a day will come when the organizations (read, Companies) which are producing war machines today, will also produce capital & consumer goods in the future.

I really dont about ground reality in BD (for industries) , but India started with opening gates for direct foreign investment. Red tapism was reduced (Pakistan is still ahead of us as in being labelled as "easy to do business with" ) and Funds being made available (GoI did decent job with all its yojna's being directed at the low rung of the ladder.) while at the same time RBI regulations kept the banks in check.

For us, i guess big advantage for us is internal consumption (our per capita in middle class is high when compared to BD.Pak). For us, services still continues to be the major earner.

The side effect was that our agriculture has taken a hit. This has been worrying for some time now.

 

[TopCat]

Producing engines or computers or airplanes seems to be very easy, a few lathe machines will do the tricks. But BD cannot even produce the needles for sewing machines, that is the reality. How come even this item is so difficult to produce, although it has market here? It seems, we are bad learners comparing even to Indians and Pakistanis, although we are famous for saying CHAPA like we are the best brains in the world.

Bangladesh do produce needles for sewing machine. I know at least few companies who do that. Again if you analyze my post littel deeper, you should not find anything that I differed from you in your subsequent posts. Its not about only building but to acquire excellence in building them. You cant be master of all specially for a contry of our size. Thats my point.

 

[idune]

It may be about comfortability. Russia is involved in our power sector since long. Most of Russian power plant which are 30 years old and still producing electricity. But other plants bought from other sources in later days breaks down everyday.
Russians are good. Also Russians were very eager to get involved in our Nuclear sector. They pressed hard and agreed to all of our conditions. Canada never came to anybody's mind.

I been told Russian power plant that are active in Bangladesh are old, grossly inefficient and use way more input (gas) than latest plant does.

That being said, on nuclear side russians are not reliable supplier, they are prone to cave in on indian money and US srategic pressure. I have posted atricles reagrding that. If Russians are selected then we will subject ourselves to indian pressure on Russians, anytime india wants to create leverage for anything (transit, military purchase, trade, politics and list goes on...).

And on political front I have heard its more Sheikh Rehana, Hasina's sister who is driving for Russian interest and cut. Same way mig 29 deal was done during last awami regime.

 

[TopCat]

I been told Russian power plant that are active in Bangladesh are old, grossly inefficient and use way more input (gas) than latest plant does.

That being said, on nuclear side russians are not reliable supplier, they are prone to cave in on indian money and US srategic pressure. I have posted atricles reagrding that. If Russians are selected then we will subject ourselves to indian pressure on Russians, anytime india wants to create leverage for anything (transit, military purchase, trade, politics and list goes on...).

And on political front I have heard its more Sheikh Rehana, Hasina's sister who is driving for Russian interest and cut. Same way mig 29 deal was done during last awami regime.

YOu should be thankfull that those 30 years old machines still running. Sheikh Rehana had nothing to dowith nuke deal. Its russian government directly dealing with this, and they are too big for her.

 

[eastwatch]

YOu should be thankfull that those 30 years old machines still running. Sheikh Rehana had nothing to dowith nuke deal. Its russian government directly dealing with this, and they are too big for her.

About Rehana involvement in nuke power plant deal, I suspect idune has received information from RAW. But, what is your source? Hopefully, it is not KGB itself. Only KGB can beat RAW.