Russia Says Its Ties to China Are Now Closer Than Any Cold War Military Alliance

[beijingwalker]

Russia Says Its Ties to China Are Now Closer Than Any Cold War Military Alliance
BY TOM O'CONNOR ON 7/15/21 AT 6:35 PM EDT

Russia and China have hailed a growing strategic partnership they say exceeds even those forged by competing powers during the Cold War, a sign of even closer ties between Moscow and Beijing as the U.S.-led NATO Western military alliance increasingly focused on the pair.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi met Thursday on the sidelines of the "Central and South Asia: Regional Connectivity. Challenges and Opportunities" international conference in the Uzbek capital of Tashkent.

Following their discussions, the Russian Foreign Ministry issued a readout saying, "Both sides voiced a positive assessment of the dynamics of the development of Russian-Chinese relations" and that the two top diplomats "stated that the existing bilateral ties surpass such a form of interstate interaction as military-political alliances of the Cold War era."

This notion previously appeared in a joint statement adopted late last month by Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping to commemorate.

Lavrov separately highlighted these words, along with his Chinese counterpart's assessment of ties between the nations being "the best in history" as they commemorated the 20th anniversary of their countries' Treaty of Good-Neighborliness and Friendly Cooperation in remarks Thursday.

"I would also like to single out the words from this statement that say that our ties now surpass such a form of interstate interaction as the military-political alliances of the Cold War era," Lavrov said. "This is the most important guideline for deepening relations between Russia and China in all areas without exception."

The concept was further emphasized by Vitaly Fadeev, a senior counselor at the Russian Embassy in China, in a video message Thursday.

"The Russian-Chinese relations surpass the traditional military-political alliances when it comes to their effectiveness and stability, with the flexibility that helps support this format of relations," Fadeev said, according to the state-run Tass Russian News Agency.

The Cold War, largely dominated by the Washington-Moscow rivalry that gave rise to the rival NATO and Warsaw Pact blocs, was also a tumultuous time for relations between the Soviet Union and the People's Republic of China. While the fellow communist powers were initially aligned, they fell out in the 1960s and only truly began to explore a more in-depth relationship after the collapse of the USSR.

Putin, who was still president for the signing of their treaty some two decades ago, has increasingly seen benefits in building ever-robust ties with Xi as both men's relationships with the West sour. While they've both dismissed the notion of any formal alliance, they have intensified economic, military and political cooperation at an unprecedented rate.

During their talks Thursday, Lavrov and Wang discussed a range of regional and international issues including information security, the situation in Central Asia and the Asia-Pacific region and the 2015 nuclear deal with Iran, according to the Russian Foreign Ministry.

The agreement is also supported by the European Union, France, Germany and the United Kingdom, but the U.S. abandoned it in 2018 under former President Donald Trump, whose successor, President Joe Biden, is attempting to revive participation during ongoing talks in the Austrian capital in Vienna.

Russia Says Its Ties to China Are Closer Than Any Cold Military Alliance

"Both sides voiced a positive assessment of the dynamics of the development of Russian-Chinese relations," said Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov.

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[52051]

If there were ever a world war against the anglo sphere, if the US cannot enjoy a clear nuclear advantage over China and forced to fight a war conventionally instead, they will most likely lose the war and lose badly, at least all of their recent war simulations suggested so.

It is most important for China now to close the strategic nuclear gap WRT the US A.S.A.P, the informal alliance with Russia and Russia's nuclear arsenals will buy China precious time to expand and update our own nuclear arsenal to peer level, from Chinese POV, thats the most valuable part of this informal alliance.

Unlike what their brainwashing machine trying to make you believe, actually the politicians from the Anglo sphere are probably one of the most greed, cold-hearted and rutheless leaders in the world, they certainly dont care about their own human loss/suffering as long as cash flow is OK.

COVID-19 give a nice insight about their mindset, as long as the elites are safe and their money-making sheep are still healthy enough to work for them, they don't care about how many other of their own not-so-useful people dead.

So minimum level of nuclear weapon don't work against such foe, mutual assured destruction is the only way to give them a clear mind, afterall it may not be the case that all the Soviet scholars and policy makers were stupid when they decided to nearly bankrupted themselves to field 50,000+ nukes for national defense, probably they just happen to know the anglo-sphere mindset better, they have had dealt with them for centuries.

Currently China has the economic and manufacturing might to develop a cold-war level, MAD nuclear arsenal, and without being bankrupted, so we need to go all out to do that, its the most cost-efficient way for our future development, it may even make us avoid the next world war.

 

[PeaceGen]

If there were ever a world war against the anglo sphere, if the US cannot enjoy a clear nuclear advantage over China and forced to fight a war conventionally instead, they will most likely lose the war and lose badly, at least all of their recent war simulations suggested so.

It is most important for China now to close the strategic nuclear gap WRT the US A.S.A.P, the informal alliance with Russia and Russia's nuclear arsenals will buy China precious time to expand and update our own nuclear arsenal to peer level, from Chinese POV, thats the most valuable part of this informal alliance.

Unlike what their brainwashing machine trying to make you believe, actually the politicians from the Anglo sphere are probably one of the most greed, cold-hearted and rutheless leaders in the world, they certainly dont care about their own human loss/suffering as long as cash flow is OK.

COVID-19 give a nice insight about their mindset, as long as the elites are safe and their money-making sheep are still healthy enough to work for them, they don't care about how many other of their own not-so-useful people dead.

So minimum level of nuclear weapon don't work against such foe, mutual assured destruction is the only way to give them a clear mind, afterall it may not be the case that all the Soviet scholars and policy makers were stupid when they decided to nearly bankrupted themselves to field 50,000+ nukes for national defense, probably they just happen to know the anglo-sphere mindset better, they have had dealt with them for centuries.

Currently China has the economic and manufacturing might to develop a cold-war level, MAD nuclear arsenal, and without being bankrupted, so we need to go all out to do that, its the most cost-efficient way for our future development, it may even make us avoid the next world war.

and yet, it was the expense of creating a MAD arsenal, along with discontent in eastern-europe, that brought about the fall of the USSR.

 

[52051]

and yet, it was the expense of creating a MAD arsenal, along with discontent in eastern-europe, that brought about the fall of the USSR.

Economic and manufacturing capabilities wise China is now at least 5-6X of that of the peak of USSR, so MAD and arms race may have bankrupted USSR, but certainly not China.

Btw, actually the US could say they "win" the cold war with arms race and MAD, so arms race can have different outcomes for different countries.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

The greatest and most insidious regime trick is masking their immense incompetence and evil as procedure and happenstance. In this they were the true original inspiration to Nazi Germany.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Russia realizes it is a shadow of its former self and now serves as China's hat. Russia sees the writing on the wall. This is China's century.

 

[Globenim]

"I would also like to single out the words from this statement that say that our ties now surpass such a form of interstate interaction as the military-political alliances of the Cold War era," Lavrov said. "This is the most important guideline for deepening relations between Russia and China in all areas without exception."

The concept was further emphasized by Vitaly Fadeev, a senior counselor at the Russian Embassy in China, in a video message Thursday.

"The Russian-Chinese relations surpass the traditional military-political alliances when it comes to their effectiveness and stability, with the flexibility that helps support this format of relations," Fadeev said, according to the state-run Tass Russian News Agency.

The Russians really have spelled it out for the third time now, like they have to deal with some certain mentally challenged children, after American state run media was jumping up and down about Putins original interview, pulling the words completely out of context and make the dumbest possible conclusion to tell a completely contradicting tale just to rant about China and keep their domestic population dumb and uneducated whats really going on in the world.

 

[ckf]

If there were ever a world war against the anglo sphere, if the US cannot enjoy a clear nuclear advantage over China and forced to fight a war conventionally instead, they will most likely lose the war and lose badly, at least all of their recent war simulations suggested so.

It is most important for China now to close the strategic nuclear gap WRT the US A.S.A.P, the informal alliance with Russia and Russia's nuclear arsenals will buy China precious time to expand and update our own nuclear arsenal to peer level, from Chinese POV, thats the most valuable part of this informal alliance.

Unlike what their brainwashing machine trying to make you believe, actually the politicians from the Anglo sphere are probably one of the most greed, cold-hearted and rutheless leaders in the world, they certainly dont care about their own human loss/suffering as long as cash flow is OK.

COVID-19 give a nice insight about their mindset, as long as the elites are safe and their money-making sheep are still healthy enough to work for them, they don't care about how many other of their own not-so-useful people dead.

So minimum level of nuclear weapon don't work against such foe, mutual assured destruction is the only way to give them a clear mind, afterall it may not be the case that all the Soviet scholars and policy makers were stupid when they decided to nearly bankrupted themselves to field 50,000+ nukes for national defense, probably they just happen to know the anglo-sphere mindset better, they have had dealt with them for centuries.

Currently China has the economic and manufacturing might to develop a cold-war level, MAD nuclear arsenal, and without being bankrupted, so we need to go all out to do that, its the most cost-efficient way for our future development, it may even make us avoid the next world war.

Geopolitically, Russia, China and Europe are the big island and home to cradle of civilization that's "Eurasia". Rise of smaller island nations like Spain, Britain, Japan and USA(British pirate mentality) are really the newcomers. China/Russia nexus is occuring because of Quad, and five eyes. India tilts balance of power towards five eyes, but have to live with China and Russian allies as its neighbor. Modi really stupid to allow India to become a sacrificial proxy for the US. Expensive US weapons can't even defeat the Taliban, what's the point of joining Quad. The bigger problem in India is RSS and Hindus elites are corrupt and Rotten to the core and latched on to USD as hemorrhaging expands. Fall of Ghani government could be prelude to India's demise as US declines.

 

[faithfulguy]

Geopolitically, Russia, China and Europe are the big island and home to cradle of civilization that's "Eurasia". Rise of smaller island nations like Spain, Britain, Japan and USA(British pirate mentality) are really the newcomers. China/Russia nexus is occuring because of Quad, and five eyes. India tilts balance of power towards five eyes, but have to live with China and Russian allies as its neighbor. Modi really stupid to allow India to become a sacrificial proxy for the US. Expensive US weapons can't even defeat the Taliban, what's the point of joining Quad. The bigger problem in India is RSS and Hindus elites are corrupt and Rotten to the core and latched on to USD as hemorrhaging expands. Fall of Ghani government could be prelude to India's demise as US declines.

Because of caste system mindset, India sees the world through a different system. That with Western Anglo world as master and India as it’s top servant. Any challenges to this western world order will be defended by India like a guard dog defending the house of the master. This is the true Indian mindset and their actions had proven this fact.