Russia lifts embargo on weapons supplies to Pakistan

[Ra'ad]

Any chance of Mi-26 getting included in the negotiations? That would be a game changer for our logistics. Its a helicopter with a capacity equal to the C-130.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

i wanna see armed mi 17s in our army aviation

 

[Windjammer]

wanna be white boy watch your mouth. Jihad is not a evil thing that you can use in derogatory remarks.

Come on dude, no need for that, Irfan bahi didn't mean it in any derogatory terms.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

[quote="Hyperion, post: 5740023, member: 139959"
Wannabe Talib, eat lead![/quote]
Jihad is not a taliban word its a Quran word which is used to describe struggle to succeed for good cause. Now if you are a white master worshiper who have adopted the word jihad to describe mass murder then go ahead and be one and make your parents proud.

Pak army should order a squadron of Mi-gun ships for western front and opt for more advance heli for eastern front.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

and also explain the difference between MI-25 and MI-35 and I think we should order 36

same principle as Mig 29 and Mig 35 jet aircrafts or how much the later blocks of JF-17s would differ from the current JF-17s.

frame, Chassis and powerplant are the same.
the difference is the versatility of roles and some better weapon options like gun and rocket pods, night vision, upgraded rotors , better IR suppressors etc.

check out the video on #112 by @HAIDER

 

[Hyperion]

Jehad, nowadays means exactly that. Now what you need to do is, get your arse back to Pakistan and meet Zarvi types and go on Jehad. So our boys can target practice you Arab lovers.

Wannabe Talib, eat lead!
Jihad is not a taliban word its a Quran word which is used to describe struggle to succeed for good cause. Now if you are a white master worshiper who have adopted the word jihad to describe mass murder then go ahead and be one and make your parents proud.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Come on dude, no need for that, Irfan bahi didn't mean it in any derogatory terms.

I have no respect for people who shout Allah o Akbar and then behead their captives, who engage in vile practices as cannibalism and rape and call it Jihad from Pakistan to Syria. in my eyes they are the biggest blasphemers. and its not just me, every Pakistani soldier is shoving the taliban's sickness back in their asses which they claim to be jihad

when you are confronted with an enemy so vile and so low who justifies every sick action with your own religion and the beliefs you hold so dear... then the answer has to be powerful and devastating enough that the Taliban and their supporters are only left with their eyes to weep when our military is done with them.

coming back to the topic. I am up for a powerful system which has night fighting capability. thats when these rats come out and can be hunted.

 

[F.O.X]

Mi 35 looks so ugly ... i think we should look for heavy lift options and negotiate with Turkey/China for attack choppers...

we are not acquiring them for Ramp Walk .

 

[Amaa'n]

@Irfan Baloch l I can confirm the transfer of 2 Hind units to the United States. Their desertion was arranged by ISI.

Why we kept the Hind units in our hands on the ground is just beyond me.

a bit off-topic, but i don't understand either;what the eff were we doing back in days - according to some unofficial reports, some Tanks of ours were found eating dust in the back yard of Iran - that we loaned out to them but forgot to get them back???

 

[Hyperion]

How would you fancy a sleek Lamborghini with rotors? These are weapon systems, not some pickup service for the Taliban. More uglier, meaner the better!

Mi 35 looks so ugly ... i think we should look for heavy lift options and negotiate with Turkey/China for attack choppers...

 

[airmarshal]

Mister
we should order at least 25 helicopters
I dont care about the looks.. and on the equipment side I would really like to have military grade (meaning very powerful) night vision equipment to track the enemy movement Sir.

sir I am telling you that Augusta based Turkish helicopter is an expensive and useless toy against insurgency and the Chinese Z-10 is unproven .... thing. I dont want to be rude to Chinese Mister.

Sir if it was up to me I would have used Napalm and pesticides to deal with Taliban so no need for cool looking helicopters Mister. 25 are enough mister

Thank you Mister for such a wonderful to the point reply.

 

[Rahul9090]

Why is Russia lifting embargo on military supplies to Pakistan?

Russia has just announced a hugely strategic decision that may alter the regional power matrix and bug India at a time when the just-installed Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi was looking to deepen ties with Moscow.

Sergey Chemezov, head of Russian state-run technologies corporation Rostec, announced on Monday that Russia has lifted an embargo on supplying weapons and military hardware to Pakistan. He also said that Moscow is negotiating the delivery of several Mi-25 helicopter gunships to Islamabad."The decision was taken and we are negotiating the delivery of helicopters,"the Voice of Russia quoted Chemezov as saying.

Why this move and why now?
The Russian decision is indicative of a paradigm shift in Russian foreign policy, a kind of move which one sees once in several decades.

Naturally, when a state takes such a decision it must not be without considering the pros and cons of the matter, the strategic takeaways and the possible pitfalls.

Two compelling reasons for the Russian move may well be Afghanistan and the Russia-West spat over Ukraine.

Like India and China, Russia too is waiting with bated breath the post-2014 Afghanistan as American/NATO are scheduled to pull out most of their troops from the land-locked country by this year end. The Taliban is in a resurgent mode. Everybody knows that during the Taliban rule (1996-2001), Afghanistan had become the most productive and flourishing factory of jihad in the world. Therefore, the withdrawal of American/NATO troops from Afghanistan by the end of 2014 may well turn the country into a tinder box again.

While Russia would definitely not like this scenario, it can hardly change the situation and counter the new situation with a Plan B. Pakistan’s importance would increase enormously in the post-2014 situation in Afghanistan.

Improving relations with Pakistan would give an important leverage to Russia in the post-2014 Afghanistan. If Russia and China do not want the loose canons of the Taliban to unleash themselves at them, then it is Pakistan and no one else that can make it happen.

The Russian move may be far shrewder than one can think. It may well be indicative of a China-Russia-Pakistan (CRP) axis, largely because of flawed policies of the Obama administration.

Russia and Pakistan have had a rather cold relationship, despite the latter’s sustained attempts over recent years to mend the ties. Reasons for the Russian coldness toward Pakistan are not difficult to see. It is the India factor. India clearly does not favor Russia cozying up to Pakistan and Russia could not have afforded to annoy the Indians. Why, after all, Russia should play a zero-sum game in South Asia when it is having the best of relations with India, a sworn enemy of Pakistan?

That was the argument of most Russians who opposed the very idea of needling India, the largest importer of Russian weapons. But even this defense relationship received setbacks in the past two years as Russia lost out to other competitors like Israel, the United States and Europe on several big-ticket Indian defense deals.

The India angle
Let me begin the India angle in this context with two seemingly contradictory statements.

One, the Russian decision of lifting its embargo on weapons supplies to Pakistan is a huge setback to India. Two, India and Russia will continue to do business together as both need each other immensely.

It is highly unlikely that the Russian move would have come as a complete surprise to the Indians. New Delhi has been aware of formal consultations between Russia and Pakistan in the trilateral format on Afghanistan – the third country being China.

It is quite possible that Moscow may have taken the Indians into its confidence on its upcoming policy change and put forth its strategic compulsions.

Russia and India are working very closely in the Afghan theater and have embarked on a novel understanding wherein India pays for Russian arms supplied by Russia to Afghanistan for boosting Afghan armed forces’ capabilities. Is there a possibility that the Russians have taken a sort of ‘no-objection certificate’ from the Indians for their unprecedented outreach to Pakistan?

One cannot rule out anything. Games such as these are often played on the strategic chessboards. What can be a bigger strategic chessboard than Afghanistan where all the top powers of the world are directly involved?

Moreover, one should not expect an official statement from either Moscow or New Delhi on this issue. Games such as these are often played in the back alleys, far from the media glare.

Why is Russia lifting embargo on military supplies to Pakistan? — RT Op-Edge

 

[Amaa'n]

Purchase of Helicopter will depend on our Strategy, how are we going to play in COINops, if it is CAS or Close Quarter Support then for that role Mi 28 would be an ideal choice.
If we want to continue with the current strategy of dropping in the troops and Air support for specific situations that Mi 35 suit our needs perfectly,

 

[Irfan Baloch]

a bit off-topic, but i don't understand either;what the eff were we doing back in days - according to some unofficial reports, some Tanks of ours were found eating dust in the back yard of Iran - that we loaned out to them but forgot to get them back???

the helicopters we gave to the Americans whould have gathered dust in our country like the ones we didnt give away. our planners then either didnt see the need for them because we were expecting to get Apaches before the assassination of General Zia or we just lacked the will or spares to keep them airworthy,

just bad planning in my opinion. we could have sourced equipment from Arab and recently freed Eastern European countries. .. at best kept them in Museums or workshops to protect them from elements but thats history now.

I am not aware of what we gave to Iranians..

Why is Russia lifting embargo on military supplies to Pakistan?

Russia has just announced a hugely strategic decision that may alter the regional power matrix and bug India at a time when the just-installed Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi was looking to deepen ties with Moscow.

Sergey Chemezov, head of Russian state-run technologies corporation Rostec, announced on Monday that Russia has lifted an embargo on supplying weapons and military hardware to Pakistan. He also said that Moscow is negotiating the delivery of several Mi-25 helicopter gunships to Islamabad."The decision was taken and we are negotiating the delivery of helicopters,"the Voice of Russia quoted Chemezov as saying.

Why this move and why now?
The Russian decision is indicative of a paradigm shift in Russian foreign policy, a kind of move which one sees once in several decades.

Naturally, when a state takes such a decision it must not be without considering the pros and cons of the matter, the strategic takeaways and the possible pitfalls.

Two compelling reasons for the Russian move may well be Afghanistan and the Russia-West spat over Ukraine.

Like India and China, Russia too is waiting with bated breath the post-2014 Afghanistan as American/NATO are scheduled to pull out most of their troops from the land-locked country by this year end. The Taliban is in a resurgent mode. Everybody knows that during the Taliban rule (1996-2001), Afghanistan had become the most productive and flourishing factory of jihad in the world. Therefore, the withdrawal of American/NATO troops from Afghanistan by the end of 2014 may well turn the country into a tinder box again.

While Russia would definitely not like this scenario, it can hardly change the situation and counter the new situation with a Plan B. Pakistan’s importance would increase enormously in the post-2014 situation in Afghanistan.

Improving relations with Pakistan would give an important leverage to Russia in the post-2014 Afghanistan. If Russia and China do not want the loose canons of the Taliban to unleash themselves at them, then it is Pakistan and no one else that can make it happen.

The Russian move may be far shrewder than one can think. It may well be indicative of a China-Russia-Pakistan (CRP) axis, largely because of flawed policies of the Obama administration.

Russia and Pakistan have had a rather cold relationship, despite the latter’s sustained attempts over recent years to mend the ties. Reasons for the Russian coldness toward Pakistan are not difficult to see. It is the India factor. India clearly does not favor Russia cozying up to Pakistan and Russia could not have afforded to annoy the Indians. Why, after all, Russia should play a zero-sum game in South Asia when it is having the best of relations with India, a sworn enemy of Pakistan?

That was the argument of most Russians who opposed the very idea of needling India, the largest importer of Russian weapons. But even this defense relationship received setbacks in the past two years as Russia lost out to other competitors like Israel, the United States and Europe on several big-ticket Indian defense deals.

The India angle
Let me begin the India angle in this context with two seemingly contradictory statements.

One, the Russian decision of lifting its embargo on weapons supplies to Pakistan is a huge setback to India. Two, India and Russia will continue to do business together as both need each other immensely.

It is highly unlikely that the Russian move would have come as a complete surprise to the Indians. New Delhi has been aware of formal consultations between Russia and Pakistan in the trilateral format on Afghanistan – the third country being China.

It is quite possible that Moscow may have taken the Indians into its confidence on its upcoming policy change and put forth its strategic compulsions.

Russia and India are working very closely in the Afghan theater and have embarked on a novel understanding wherein India pays for Russian arms supplied by Russia to Afghanistan for boosting Afghan armed forces’ capabilities. Is there a possibility that the Russians have taken a sort of ‘no-objection certificate’ from the Indians for their unprecedented outreach to Pakistan?

One cannot rule out anything. Games such as these are often played on the strategic chessboards. What can be a bigger strategic chessboard than Afghanistan where all the top powers of the world are directly involved?

Moreover, one should not expect an official statement from either Moscow or New Delhi on this issue. Games such as these are often played in the back alleys, far from the media glare.

Why is Russia lifting embargo on military supplies to Pakistan? — RT Op-Edge

India getting closer to China and Pakistan to Russia can be a mutually beneficial thing for all countries as they are all geographically together in this part of the world and can set things in motion to deescalation of hostilities ..

 

[Amaa'n]

Why is Russia lifting embargo on military supplies to Pakistan?

Russia has just announced a hugely strategic decision that may alter the regional power matrix and bug India at a time when the just-installed Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi was looking to deepen ties with Moscow.

Sergey Chemezov, head of Russian state-run technologies corporation Rostec, announced on Monday that Russia has lifted an embargo on supplying weapons and military hardware to Pakistan. He also said that Moscow is negotiating the delivery of several Mi-25 helicopter gunships to Islamabad."The decision was taken and we are negotiating the delivery of helicopters,"the Voice of Russia quoted Chemezov as saying.

Why this move and why now?
The Russian decision is indicative of a paradigm shift in Russian foreign policy, a kind of move which one sees once in several decades.

Naturally, when a state takes such a decision it must not be without considering the pros and cons of the matter, the strategic takeaways and the possible pitfalls.

Two compelling reasons for the Russian move may well be Afghanistan and the Russia-West spat over Ukraine.

Like India and China, Russia too is waiting with bated breath the post-2014 Afghanistan as American/NATO are scheduled to pull out most of their troops from the land-locked country by this year end. The Taliban is in a resurgent mode. Everybody knows that during the Taliban rule (1996-2001), Afghanistan had become the most productive and flourishing factory of jihad in the world. Therefore, the withdrawal of American/NATO troops from Afghanistan by the end of 2014 may well turn the country into a tinder box again.

While Russia would definitely not like this scenario, it can hardly change the situation and counter the new situation with a Plan B. Pakistan’s importance would increase enormously in the post-2014 situation in Afghanistan.

Improving relations with Pakistan would give an important leverage to Russia in the post-2014 Afghanistan. If Russia and China do not want the loose canons of the Taliban to unleash themselves at them, then it is Pakistan and no one else that can make it happen.

The Russian move may be far shrewder than one can think. It may well be indicative of a China-Russia-Pakistan (CRP) axis, largely because of flawed policies of the Obama administration.

Russia and Pakistan have had a rather cold relationship, despite the latter’s sustained attempts over recent years to mend the ties. Reasons for the Russian coldness toward Pakistan are not difficult to see. It is the India factor. India clearly does not favor Russia cozying up to Pakistan and Russia could not have afforded to annoy the Indians. Why, after all, Russia should play a zero-sum game in South Asia when it is having the best of relations with India, a sworn enemy of Pakistan?

That was the argument of most Russians who opposed the very idea of needling India, the largest importer of Russian weapons. But even this defense relationship received setbacks in the past two years as Russia lost out to other competitors like Israel, the United States and Europe on several big-ticket Indian defense deals.

The India angle
Let me begin the India angle in this context with two seemingly contradictory statements.

One, the Russian decision of lifting its embargo on weapons supplies to Pakistan is a huge setback to India. Two, India and Russia will continue to do business together as both need each other immensely.

It is highly unlikely that the Russian move would have come as a complete surprise to the Indians. New Delhi has been aware of formal consultations between Russia and Pakistan in the trilateral format on Afghanistan – the third country being China.

It is quite possible that Moscow may have taken the Indians into its confidence on its upcoming policy change and put forth its strategic compulsions.

Russia and India are working very closely in the Afghan theater and have embarked on a novel understanding wherein India pays for Russian arms supplied by Russia to Afghanistan for boosting Afghan armed forces’ capabilities. Is there a possibility that the Russians have taken a sort of ‘no-objection certificate’ from the Indians for their unprecedented outreach to Pakistan?

One cannot rule out anything. Games such as these are often played on the strategic chessboards. What can be a bigger strategic chessboard than Afghanistan where all the top powers of the world are directly involved?

Moreover, one should not expect an official statement from either Moscow or New Delhi on this issue. Games such as these are often played in the back alleys, far from the media glare.

Why is Russia lifting embargo on military supplies to Pakistan? — RT Op-Edge

absolute rubbish, it has less to do with Afghan stability and more about Internal Security and War at Home, unless you consider Pakistani helicopters voilating Afghan airspace "Again" and taking down the bad guys