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Russia keen to sell new fighter jet MiG-35 to IAF: Official

Like I said earlier its all speculations on basis of these words "India may require 200-250 aircraft of the Dassault Rafale type of which 36 have been ordered." Ofcourse west and others would want to pursue such news for their propaganda of selling their jets. Above source proves nothing.

I am not here to convince you. We can come back and revisit this in 2 years. Anyway, the point I was trying to make was that MIG-35 is being pitched for the IAF's twin engine fighter program and not for the IN's MRCBF.
 
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I am not here to convince you. We can come back and revisit this in 2 years. Anyway, the point I was trying to make was that MIG-35 is being pitched for the IAF's twin engine fighter program and not for the IN's MRCBF.
Earlier Russian's Rosoboronexport participated in MRCBF deal so it wasn't clear as they didn't specified which aircraft they are purposing for this deal. But now they have purposed MiG-35 this month, so its basically its for navy current on going tender rather some other deal in 2yrs.
 
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Earlier Russian's Rosoboronexport participated in MRCBF deal so it wasn't clear as they didn't specified which aircraft they are purposing for this deal. But now they have purposed MiG-35 this month, so its basically its for navy current on going tender rather some other deal in 2yrs.

Its mentioned in the OP that they are working with the IAF.


"We are proposing supply of the aircraft for tenders in India and we actively work with its Air Force in order to win the tender," he said while talking to reporters on the sidelines of the MAKS 2017 air show here.
 
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Its mentioned in the OP that they are working with the IAF.

I did research myself and this directly from the man & the news agency:

"Principally, Russia is ready to participate in future aviation tenders in India. However, as of now, we do not have information on the opening of a tender and, correspondingly, on the plane’s technical requirements set by the Indian side," Director of Russia’s Federal Service for Military and Technical Cooperation Dmitry Shugayev told TASS on Wednesday.

More:
http://tass.com/defense/956886
 
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I did research myself and this directly from the man & the news agency:

"Principally, Russia is ready to participate in future aviation tenders in India. However, as of now, we do not have information on the opening of a tender and, correspondingly, on the plane’s technical requirements set by the Indian side," Director of Russia’s Federal Service for Military and Technical Cooperation Dmitry Shugayev told TASS on Wednesday.

More:
http://tass.com/defense/956886

Of course how can the vendors have information on the requirements without RFP being issued? That is on expected lines.
 
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Of course how can the vendors have information on the requirements without RFP being issued? That is on expected lines.
He said about opening of tender rather about its content which is on second phrase, I wanted your comment on highlighted part as you said it 's opening around 2019.
 
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He said about opening of tender rather about its content which is on second phrase, I wanted your comment on highlighted part as you said it 's opening around 2019.

Opening of tender is tied to completion of RAFALE's offset i.e Safran completing the work on Kaveri engine by 2019. Look at the below highlighted part.

French boost to jet engine plan, Kaveri project being revived
By
Manu Pubby
, ET Bureau|
Nov 30, 2016, 06.25 AM IST
french-boost-to-jet-engine-plan-kaveri-project-being-revived.jpg

Apart from the initial consultancy fees, India may not need to spend on development as the French side has proposed to make the Kaveri flight-worthy within 18 months for integration into the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft by 2020.
NEW DELHI: India’s quest to develop its own fighter jet engine got a leg up after a $2-million consultancy agreement was finalised with leading French defence manufacturer Safran to help revive the Kaveri project.

The project stalled in 2014 after the Kaveri gas turbine engine developed for combat planes and unmanned aircraft was unable to provide the required power thrust — a fact French experts expect to correct after study.

Initial assessments by the French company show that 25-30% more work is needed for the Kaveri engine to be combat-worthy.

A detailed joint development plan will be drawn up that could use offset credits — the obligation is 50% of contract cost, which translates to over 3 billion euros — coming from the Rafale fighter jet deal.

As reported by ET in July, France has offered a 1-billion euro investment to revive the project. Several rounds of discussions have already taken placesince January between Safran, which has developed the M88 engines for Rafale, and Indian developers.

Apart from the initial consultancy fees, India may not need to spend on development as the French side has proposed to make the Kaveri flight-worthy within 18 months for integration into the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft by 2020.

The Indian Air Force is committed to buying at least 80 of the LCA Mk 1A fighters that will meet higher technical requirements than the version inducted this year.

The aircraft is currently powered by American GE 404 engines that faced a procurement delay after the nuclear tests in 1998, causing a setback to the Tejas programme. A joint working group on jet engine technology has also been formed with the US under the Defence Technology and Trade Initiative (DTTI).

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...roject-being-revived/articleshow/55694504.cms
 
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Opening of tender is tied to completion of RAFALE's offset i.e Safran completing the work on Kaveri engine by 2019. Look at the below highlighted part.

French boost to jet engine plan, Kaveri project being revived
By
Manu Pubby
, ET Bureau|
Nov 30, 2016, 06.25 AM IST
french-boost-to-jet-engine-plan-kaveri-project-being-revived.jpg

Apart from the initial consultancy fees, India may not need to spend on development as the French side has proposed to make the Kaveri flight-worthy within 18 months for integration into the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft by 2020.
NEW DELHI: India’s quest to develop its own fighter jet engine got a leg up after a $2-million consultancy agreement was finalised with leading French defence manufacturer Safran to help revive the Kaveri project.

The project stalled in 2014 after the Kaveri gas turbine engine developed for combat planes and unmanned aircraft was unable to provide the required power thrust — a fact French experts expect to correct after study.

Initial assessments by the French company show that 25-30% more work is needed for the Kaveri engine to be combat-worthy.

A detailed joint development plan will be drawn up that could use offset credits — the obligation is 50% of contract cost, which translates to over 3 billion euros — coming from the Rafale fighter jet deal.

As reported by ET in July, France has offered a 1-billion euro investment to revive the project. Several rounds of discussions have already taken placesince January between Safran, which has developed the M88 engines for Rafale, and Indian developers.

Apart from the initial consultancy fees, India may not need to spend on development as the French side has proposed to make the Kaveri flight-worthy within 18 months for integration into the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft by 2020.

The Indian Air Force is committed to buying at least 80 of the LCA Mk 1A fighters that will meet higher technical requirements than the version inducted this year.

The aircraft is currently powered by American GE 404 engines that faced a procurement delay after the nuclear tests in 1998, causing a setback to the Tejas programme. A joint working group on jet engine technology has also been formed with the US under the Defence Technology and Trade Initiative (DTTI).

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...roject-being-revived/articleshow/55694504.cms

I don't get the relation, well we will know in 2yrs if there is some tender for light fighter jets.
 
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MiG-35: Everything you must know about the fighter jet Russia wants to sell to India
After-sales service for 40 years! (Come on, what else do you want?)
  • 268
Meghana Ganeshan
Jul 24, 2017
Mig-2-866x487.jpg

Russia has introduced MiG-35, the latest generation of MiG aircraft at the MAKS 2017 Airshow in Moscow over the weekend. The MiGs have been an important part of the Indian Air Force for over half a century now so it makes perfect sense for Russia to pitch this as an upgrade to India.

MiG-35 is Russia’s most advanced 4 ++ generation multipurpose fighter jet which has been developed as yet another instalment of the serial-produced MiG-29K/KUB and MiG-29M/M2 combat aircraft. It has been actively promoted in India and other parts of the world since it was initially presented in January 2017. While talks with the Indian Air Force (IAF) of winning the tender for the supply of these aircraft in India are still underway, the proposal is still only at the negotiation stage where the technical and technological specifications offered by MiG can be re-structured to meet India’s requirements.

Should India buy Mig-35?

MiGs are a preferred choice of aircraft for countries such as India because they aren’t just less expensive but are also a lot easier to maintain with spare parts being significantly cheaper than those of their European and American competitors. But MiG offers the one thing that every Indian who’s ever owned a car has always bargained for: great after-sales service. If India chooses to buy MiG-35, we will also get premium training as well as servicing of the aircraft for the next f-o-r-t-y years. Ilya Tarasenko, the Chief Executive officer of the MiG Aircraft Corporation, whose job it is to hardsell his product reminded reporters in Moscow that the MiG-35 is a lot more economical in the long run since it is almost 25 per cent cheaper than its competitors.

Features of Mig-35
Highlighting the key features of the MiG-35, Tarasenko explained that its technical specifications were close to a fifth generation aircraft, especially its flight capabilities, new range of weapons and defence systems as well as its stealth. The fact that it demonstrated the tail slide, barrel role and the nesterov loop at the MAKS 2017, is proof enough.

The plane is entirely made in Russia with Rostec companies like United Engine Corporation (UEC), KRET and Technodinamika contributing to the project. But what is most attractive about the MiG-35 is its new on board equipment and the high class quality of its weapons: air-to-air, air-to-ground and ground-to-sea features, Belyaev Mikhail, the Lead Test Pilot of the aircraft reported.

MiG-35 comes with improved avionics and weapons systems and can carry up to 7,000 kg of payload. Its radar system can detect up to 30 targets from a range of 130-160 km from air and engage with up to six targets simultaneously. MiG-35’s radar can also detect incoming fighter jets from 50 km and outgoing jets up to 90 km. Armed with a 30-mm cannon, the aircraft has 150 rounds of ammunition on board.

The two Klimov RD-33MK engines make the MiG-35 seven per cent more powerful than the MiG-29 and has an increased ferry range of up to 3100 km with its three external fuel tanks, along with an in-flight refuelling option taking its range up to 5,400 km. The MiG-29 on the other hand, has a ferry range of 1,500 km with no external fuel tanks, and 2,100 km with external tanks.

After a successful demonstration of the multi-role fighter plane at the MAKS 2017 air show, Russian officials estimate the first combat-ready plane to be delivered to the Indian Air Force next year. While 30 countries are currently using the MiG-29, talks are currently going on with potential buyers for purchasing its successor.

You can watch the MiG-35 in action below:


 
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MiG-35: Everything you must know about the fighter jet Russia wants to sell to India
After-sales service for 40 years! (Come on, what else do you want?)
  • 268
Meghana Ganeshan
Jul 24, 2017
Mig-2-866x487.jpg

Russia has introduced MiG-35, the latest generation of MiG aircraft at the MAKS 2017 Airshow in Moscow over the weekend. The MiGs have been an important part of the Indian Air Force for over half a century now so it makes perfect sense for Russia to pitch this as an upgrade to India.

MiG-35 is Russia’s most advanced 4 ++ generation multipurpose fighter jet which has been developed as yet another instalment of the serial-produced MiG-29K/KUB and MiG-29M/M2 combat aircraft. It has been actively promoted in India and other parts of the world since it was initially presented in January 2017. While talks with the Indian Air Force (IAF) of winning the tender for the supply of these aircraft in India are still underway, the proposal is still only at the negotiation stage where the technical and technological specifications offered by MiG can be re-structured to meet India’s requirements.

Should India buy Mig-35?

MiGs are a preferred choice of aircraft for countries such as India because they aren’t just less expensive but are also a lot easier to maintain with spare parts being significantly cheaper than those of their European and American competitors. But MiG offers the one thing that every Indian who’s ever owned a car has always bargained for: great after-sales service. If India chooses to buy MiG-35, we will also get premium training as well as servicing of the aircraft for the next f-o-r-t-y years. Ilya Tarasenko, the Chief Executive officer of the MiG Aircraft Corporation, whose job it is to hardsell his product reminded reporters in Moscow that the MiG-35 is a lot more economical in the long run since it is almost 25 per cent cheaper than its competitors.

Features of Mig-35
Highlighting the key features of the MiG-35, Tarasenko explained that its technical specifications were close to a fifth generation aircraft, especially its flight capabilities, new range of weapons and defence systems as well as its stealth. The fact that it demonstrated the tail slide, barrel role and the nesterov loop at the MAKS 2017, is proof enough.

The plane is entirely made in Russia with Rostec companies like United Engine Corporation (UEC), KRET and Technodinamika contributing to the project. But what is most attractive about the MiG-35 is its new on board equipment and the high class quality of its weapons: air-to-air, air-to-ground and ground-to-sea features, Belyaev Mikhail, the Lead Test Pilot of the aircraft reported.

MiG-35 comes with improved avionics and weapons systems and can carry up to 7,000 kg of payload. Its radar system can detect up to 30 targets from a range of 130-160 km from air and engage with up to six targets simultaneously. MiG-35’s radar can also detect incoming fighter jets from 50 km and outgoing jets up to 90 km. Armed with a 30-mm cannon, the aircraft has 150 rounds of ammunition on board.

The two Klimov RD-33MK engines make the MiG-35 seven per cent more powerful than the MiG-29 and has an increased ferry range of up to 3100 km with its three external fuel tanks, along with an in-flight refuelling option taking its range up to 5,400 km. The MiG-29 on the other hand, has a ferry range of 1,500 km with no external fuel tanks, and 2,100 km with external tanks.

After a successful demonstration of the multi-role fighter plane at the MAKS 2017 air show, Russian officials estimate the first combat-ready plane to be delivered to the Indian Air Force next year. While 30 countries are currently using the MiG-29, talks are currently going on with potential buyers for purchasing its successor.

You can watch the MiG-35 in action below:



An American Marketing guy was asked if he could guarantee that his product could be bought for the next ten years.
He paused, thought a bit and replied that he could not guarantee that his company existed in five years.
 
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An American Marketing guy was asked if he could guarantee that his product could be bought for the next ten years.
He paused, thought a bit and replied that he could not guarantee that his company existed in five years.

Doing you really think defense entities like LM, Boeing, Dassault, Rolls Royce, BAE, SAAB, Sukhoi, Mikoyan, AVIC etc would go belly up? Their respective governments would surely ensure that would never happen even if they were to make losses.
 
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Doing you really think defense entities like LM, Boeing, Dassault, Rolls Royce, BAE, SAAB, Sukhoi, Mikoyan, AVIC etc would go belly up? Their respective governments would surely ensure that would never happen even if they were to make losses.

Mikoyan definitely.
They have been in problems for some time.
The others, not so much.
As You probably know, Antonov just closed shop.
 
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Mikoyan definitely.
They have been in problems for some time.
The others, not so much.
As You probably know, Antonov just closed shop.

Once Egypt became the first foreign buyer of the Rafale after more than 20 years of Dassault failing to find a single foreign customer, it automatically opened the door and now they have several contracts, including reviving the Indian one that fell flat dead after their MMRCA competition, which included the Grippen.

Despite India buying the MiG-29K, it didn't really trigger more sales for MiG and the MiG-35 has suffered the same lagging that Dassault had with the Rafale. What MiG has going for it is the cost of the MiG-35 is considerably lower than the Rafale, but their problem has been developing the Zhuk-AE AESA radar and the fusion data in the Rafale is probably superior to the one in the MiG-35. Once the RBE2 AESA was installed in the Rafales, it became a lot more attractive and that's what Mikoyan needs to do. Their problem is what they advertise the MiG-35 as is not the way they're capable of delivering it until 2018 because the AESA radar is not ready yet. So if anything will help them, it should be the cost they've sold the 50+/- MiG=29M/M2/35 to Egypt AND, the quick turnaround delivery time since it appears that 22 platforms will be ready by the end of 2017. That's pretty quick. So IMO, if this Egyptian MiG-35 contract is executed with the proficiency we've seen so far, and they have the Zhuk-AE ready by the end of the year, this Egyptian contract should open the door for MiG. It's up to them to deliver and deliver well. But I do agree with you, they are at a precarious "make or break" point.
 
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Mikoyan definitely.
They have been in problems for some time.
The others, not so much.
As You probably know, Antonov just closed shop.

1) RuAF itself is planning to upgrade/induct MIG-35s

2) Antonov is different case as it had exposure to Ukraine and carries the baggage of USSR

3) Russia is more homogeneous than former USSR and much stronger as a nation today

4) The risk/probability of Mikoyan and/or Russia going kaput is same as Sweden being taken over by Russia and SAAB going kaput

@vostok
 
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