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Russia and China have to keep their vassal state in power. Remember when Islamist used to shout "Not western , not eastern only Islamic republic!" .
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Much like how western Imperialists are trying to keep their lap dogs afloat? Servitude comes inherent to some, Concept of freedom might sound strange to someone whose whole history is full of being Sipahi in colonial Army.
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LOL!!
You have a funny conception of a "vassal".A vassal is a saudi or an israel,or even hindutva india these days, judging by indias slavish towing of the us line when it came to iran[
"but....but..sanctions!"]. 
If the iri was a vassal then it would have no sanctions and all of the imported weapons that it could ever want,just like it was under the old pahlavi regime,which was installed via a coup by the us.
As for russia,well these days it cant afford to have vassals,it aint the ussr no more.[lol!],and as for china,well they just dont seem to do western style cold war era vassalage,they prefer debt peonage instead,smart boys,and thats probably why they`re going to be the ones calling the shots globally in the next half century or so.
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Gosh,this pic reminds me of the the theme song of a certain 70s brit sit com.....
"meet the gang coz the boys are here,the boys to entertain you...."
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You are both extrapolating the Indian premise on Iran which results in wrong conclusions. Your observations are only correct in regards to your own country, India.
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How did you figure out Noor was 10 Kg? I told you cow urine destroys your brain cells, but it looks like you never learn.
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The point is, Russia as a military power and in most of the cases as one of the top 2 would never share us the sensitive technologies specially the ones that we cannot develop a similar one.
Even if they had offered us with this satellite, its because we can reach its technology inhouse in a short span of time. That's my understanding from dealing with this military power when it comes to an ambitious country like Iran.
This will delay upgrading Noor, and making a network of Noor satellites for real time purposes.
We can spend that money on homemade plans.
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Says the cow urine drinking hindu bugandu. Your country is losing territory to China on a monthly basis while you are still the most obedient dog of the West in South Asia. Go hindu Bugandu.. find some oxygen first then come bark. Madarj....
Putin denies Russia will provide Iran advanced satellite system
June 12, 2021 - 16:32
TEHRAN — Russian leader Vladimir Putin refuted on Friday a U.S. media report that Moscow is preparing to transfer to Iran an advanced satellite system that will substantially boost its surveillance capabilities.
"We have plans for cooperation with Iran, including military and technical cooperation," Putin told NBC News.
"It's all fake news. At the very least, I'm not familiar with this type of thing... It's all gibberish and garbage."
In a report on Thursday, the Washington Post, citing current and former U.S. and West Asian officials, claimed the satellite system delivery might take place within months and is the product of several trips to Russia by Iranian officials.
U.S. President Joe Biden, who is on his first foreign trip since taking office in January, is anticipated to discuss issues related to Iran, including the 2015 nuclear deal, among other things.
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June 12, 2021 - 16:32
TEHRAN — Russian leader Vladimir Putin refuted on Friday a U.S. media report that Moscow is preparing to transfer to Iran an advanced satellite system that will substantially boost its surveillance capabilities.
"We have plans for cooperation with Iran, including military and technical cooperation," Putin told NBC News.
"It's all fake news. At the very least, I'm not familiar with this type of thing... It's all gibberish and garbage."
In a report on Thursday, the Washington Post, citing current and former U.S. and West Asian officials, claimed the satellite system delivery might take place within months and is the product of several trips to Russia by Iranian officials.
U.S. President Joe Biden, who is on his first foreign trip since taking office in January, is anticipated to discuss issues related to Iran, including the 2015 nuclear deal, among other things.
SA/PA
Putin denies Russia will provide Iran advanced satellite system
TEHRAN — Russian leader Vladimir Putin refuted on Friday a U.S. media report that Moscow is preparing to transfer to Iran an advanced satellite system that will substantially boost its surveillance capabilities.
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There is a small chance Iran has control of an old Russian satellite or Soviet satellite.
That is more believable than Russia selling Iran a brand new satellite,
Turkey? Sure! Fake monarchs in the PG? Of course! But when it comes to Iran, Russia and China lack the balls to sell anything worthwhile.
That is more believable than Russia selling Iran a brand new satellite,
Turkey? Sure! Fake monarchs in the PG? Of course! But when it comes to Iran, Russia and China lack the balls to sell anything worthwhile.
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Hows that dung industry going in India. I'm planning to invest in some Asian company stonks. They say dung is way to go besides cryptomining.
bullsh!t
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Nice commenting in this thread, until a couple of superfluous trolls made their appearance... Let's ignore them and stay focused.
For there is one point all of you gentlemen seem to have missed (or did not deem necessary to evoke), especially those of you rightfully highlighting Iran's effective capability to autonomously design, produce and launch satellites similar to the Kanopus-V, as well as those who pointed to Russia's general tendency to offer only weapons systems Iran is already on the verge of producing domestically... And that is the political dimension specific to the present case.
Indeed, putting a satellite of these dimensions into the adequate orbit, and thereby effectively fielding a SLV akin to an ICBM (or close to one), is politically controversial.
Now I certainly hope that in a not too distant future, Iran will consider time is ripe for taking this step. But it depends on a great many factors, and Iran isn't going to go ahead with this decision until all political criteria are met, which may take another five to ten years, notwithstanding the fact that the technological ability has been there for quite some time already. Meanwhile however, I for one would prefer Iran to be equipped with a military satellite of this caliber rather than to be deprived of it. And Russia is the logical go-to partner for this.
Also, purchasing the satellite from the Russians and letting them launch it, is not going to compromise Iran's asymmetric defence doctrine in its core aspect, namely cost-effectiveness. Because after all, this is nothing like placing an order for 67 Su-35 fighter jets or 500-800 Tu-90SM main battle tanks - it will cost merely a fraction of these.
Not to mention the fact that in the long term, given the enemy's considerable ASAT capabilities, Iran will need not one but multiple satellites of this kind - as well as road-mobile, short-notice, solid propellant SLV launching capability in order to be able to place into orbit more of them on demand in case of an all out war against the US. So in this area, there will be no loss of incentive anytime soon for Iran's domestic industries.
What is more, there might actually be significant Iranian input in this customized satellite. The Washington Post references a Press TV news item clearly stating that Russia's NPK BARL and VNIIEM firms "would build and launch the satellite in a partnership with the Iranian state-operated trade company Bonyan Danesh Shargh and the Iranian Space Agency."
Which seems to suggest joint design and production. In order to keep enemy intelligence guessing, and also in order to acquire plausible deniability (especially for Moscow) it would be nothing short of brilliant to not only disguise the whole thing as a contract for a civilian satellite, by naming it after Kanopus-V, but moreover to have the satellite retain nothing but the outer shell of a Kanopus-V, most of the internal components being entirely different, jointly developed military-grade ones. This could explain the contrast in specs between the Kanopus-V and the satellite made for (or rather, with?) Iran, such as announced by TASS.
Last but not least, take a look at the remote sensing infrastructure put in place by Iran, as shown in the photograph shared by skyshadow.
In light of this, it wouldn't be surprising if the Washington Post article was meant to pressure Russia to forgo the sale by publishing, ahead of Biden's meeting with Putin, more detailed information fed to them by western and zionist intelligence sources (as Surenas said, the mere existence of such a deal was made public earlier).
Likewise, Putin's denial and the vocabulary he used, do not strike me as proof that Moscow will cancel the deal, or that no such agreement ever existed: on the contrary and in line with what navigator observed above, they might as well hint at the previously described strategy, i.e. official silence on the military nature of the project - which forms the main object of the Washington Post piece, derided with apparent sarcasm by Putin.
In conclusion, if you connect the dots from this perspective, then it could all make perfect sense. Personally, I would tend to see this as a done deal. The only question now is whether the US regime can bring Russia to agree to a last minute annulment of the contract in exchange for some concession.
Keep in mind that ultimately, politics always trump military affairs. And while it is true, as some of you have correctly stated before, that scientific and technological development can gain a life of their own once successfully kick-started (then again, by public authorities mostly...), and that the ball may then keep rolling all by itself, one thing science and technology are not going to do, is to become independent from politics.
For there is one point all of you gentlemen seem to have missed (or did not deem necessary to evoke), especially those of you rightfully highlighting Iran's effective capability to autonomously design, produce and launch satellites similar to the Kanopus-V, as well as those who pointed to Russia's general tendency to offer only weapons systems Iran is already on the verge of producing domestically... And that is the political dimension specific to the present case.
Indeed, putting a satellite of these dimensions into the adequate orbit, and thereby effectively fielding a SLV akin to an ICBM (or close to one), is politically controversial.
Now I certainly hope that in a not too distant future, Iran will consider time is ripe for taking this step. But it depends on a great many factors, and Iran isn't going to go ahead with this decision until all political criteria are met, which may take another five to ten years, notwithstanding the fact that the technological ability has been there for quite some time already. Meanwhile however, I for one would prefer Iran to be equipped with a military satellite of this caliber rather than to be deprived of it. And Russia is the logical go-to partner for this.
Also, purchasing the satellite from the Russians and letting them launch it, is not going to compromise Iran's asymmetric defence doctrine in its core aspect, namely cost-effectiveness. Because after all, this is nothing like placing an order for 67 Su-35 fighter jets or 500-800 Tu-90SM main battle tanks - it will cost merely a fraction of these.
Not to mention the fact that in the long term, given the enemy's considerable ASAT capabilities, Iran will need not one but multiple satellites of this kind - as well as road-mobile, short-notice, solid propellant SLV launching capability in order to be able to place into orbit more of them on demand in case of an all out war against the US. So in this area, there will be no loss of incentive anytime soon for Iran's domestic industries.
What is more, there might actually be significant Iranian input in this customized satellite. The Washington Post references a Press TV news item clearly stating that Russia's NPK BARL and VNIIEM firms "would build and launch the satellite in a partnership with the Iranian state-operated trade company Bonyan Danesh Shargh and the Iranian Space Agency."
Which seems to suggest joint design and production. In order to keep enemy intelligence guessing, and also in order to acquire plausible deniability (especially for Moscow) it would be nothing short of brilliant to not only disguise the whole thing as a contract for a civilian satellite, by naming it after Kanopus-V, but moreover to have the satellite retain nothing but the outer shell of a Kanopus-V, most of the internal components being entirely different, jointly developed military-grade ones. This could explain the contrast in specs between the Kanopus-V and the satellite made for (or rather, with?) Iran, such as announced by TASS.
Last but not least, take a look at the remote sensing infrastructure put in place by Iran, as shown in the photograph shared by skyshadow.
In light of this, it wouldn't be surprising if the Washington Post article was meant to pressure Russia to forgo the sale by publishing, ahead of Biden's meeting with Putin, more detailed information fed to them by western and zionist intelligence sources (as Surenas said, the mere existence of such a deal was made public earlier).
Likewise, Putin's denial and the vocabulary he used, do not strike me as proof that Moscow will cancel the deal, or that no such agreement ever existed: on the contrary and in line with what navigator observed above, they might as well hint at the previously described strategy, i.e. official silence on the military nature of the project - which forms the main object of the Washington Post piece, derided with apparent sarcasm by Putin.
In conclusion, if you connect the dots from this perspective, then it could all make perfect sense. Personally, I would tend to see this as a done deal. The only question now is whether the US regime can bring Russia to agree to a last minute annulment of the contract in exchange for some concession.
Keep in mind that ultimately, politics always trump military affairs. And while it is true, as some of you have correctly stated before, that scientific and technological development can gain a life of their own once successfully kick-started (then again, by public authorities mostly...), and that the ball may then keep rolling all by itself, one thing science and technology are not going to do, is to become independent from politics.
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