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Russia Hikes SU 30MKI Prices Twice For India Might Be The revange That MI 35 got Elim

joint venture like pakistan cant export the jf 17!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!wow that's one hell of joint venture u got there

You kidding me? We need plenty for ourselves first, when time comes, they will be exported with "Joint decision" and "joint Income".
You should tell us, how many "Indigenous" Russian weapons have you exported??????????:disagree::disagree::cheesy:
 
You see, this is the difference, you use the mantra of "indigenous" even after TOT agreements with Russia. We simple call what it is, a joint venture.:lol:

Joint venture = Pakistani Money, Chinese expertise..
 
Our Indian friends here have been claiming for a long long time that the Su-30MKI is about 80% "indigenous".

Yes it is.. in terms of manufacturing.. But the IP is still owned by Russia.. Just like JFT, where manufacturing is done in Pakistan (about 65% when i saw last) and control being with China..
 
Joint venture = Pakistani Money, Chinese expertise..

Yeah, we know the truth about Russian technology transfers (TOT) 100% Russian technology, and 100% Indian money makes every thing "Indigenous" for Indians.
Silly me, even the money is American dollars. So nothing Indian I suppose.:lol::lol::lol:
 
We Indians are very practical all of us know that countries cannot have friendship like humans. No country will leave its profit because it is friend. Russia is a very strong ally and before commenting on the price I would like to know what all is included.

Nice try but it is true the Indians will have to pay 3 times, Yes and no extra goodies included.
 
Nice try but it is true the Indians will have to pay 3 times, Yes and no extra goodies included.

Strengthened airframe to carry brahmos missile, Phazotron Zhuk AE AESA radar.

Get your facts right before posting any baseless claims.
 
Yeah, we know the truth about Russian technology transfers (TOT) 100% Russian technology, and 100% Indian money makes every thing "Indigenous" for Indians.
Silly me, even the money is American dollars. So nothing Indian I suppose.:lol::lol::lol:

Are we getting military AID? didn't know that. :what:
 
Joint venture = Pakistani Money, Chinese expertise..

No, Pakistan Talent & Experiences and Chinese Money.

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The LCA is powered by an American engine.

No, the deal was cancelled....LCA dont have final engine.
 
Yeah, we know the truth about Russian technology transfers (TOT) 100% Russian technology, and 100% Indian money makes every thing "Indigenous" for Indians.
Silly me, even the money is American dollars. So nothing Indian I suppose.:lol::lol::lol:

The dollars might be American, but they are OWNED by us.. :).. If you get my drift. :azn:

That's why a lot of countries line up to do business with us because they know we have the capacity to keep making them Dollars..

Rarely do I hear in India about French sellers cancelling the sale because they dont have confidence in the buyer's ability to pay up :rofl:

For the uninitiated, I am referring to the Pak French Avionics deal ;)

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No, Pakistan Talent & Experiences and Chinese Money.



Thats why Pakistan did not get Chinese permission to export the Thunder ?? ;)
 
Mad Dogs, Englishmen And Su-30MKIs

January 18, 2012: The Indian government is investigating a number of recent accidents involving its Russian Su-30MKI jet fighters. Recently, investigators discovered that many of the Su-30MKI aircraft were routinely parked in the open. India is a tropical nation and the direct sunlight not only heats up the aircraft, but the ultraviolet radiation levels are highest in the tropics. The prolonged exposure to all this heat and radiation is not good for a high-performance aircraft. Although built to handle high-altitude, high-speed conditions, these aircraft are usually parked in a shelter to reduce the potential weather damage. When powered down, components normally protected by cooling systems are exposed to extremely high levels of heat. It's not known what sort of component failure this might induce, so the investigators are trying to find out what long periods of high internal heat might do to aircraft performance. Russian aircraft designers have long paid more attention to designing aircraft that survive prolonged exposure to extreme cold. In the past, Russian military equipment has been found unable to handle exposure to the tropical heat of India, and other tropical countries.

Among the other suspected causes for recent Su-30MKI crashes are shoddy Russian made components, especially in the Russian designed AL-31 engines. There have been several AL-31 failures lately, both in Indian and Russian Su-30s. The $3.5 million AL-31 (for the Su-27/30, and the Chinese J-11, and J-10) is assembled in India. The assembly process is exacting and India has created thousands of technicians and engineers with valuable experience working on these engines. India has not been able to develop the technology to manufacture core components (that deal with very high pressures and temperatures) and buys these components from Russia. It is some of these components that are failing and India is telling the Russians that the problem must be fixed, soon, or Russia will lose more weapons export sales. But shoddy aircraft maintenance by the Indian Air Force is also suspected.

India buys bare bones fighters from Russia, and equips these Su-30MKIs with Israeli sensors and communications gear. India has about a hundred Su-30MKIs in service, and is building about one a month under license. India bought fifty in the late 1990s, and another 40 three years ago. This is in addition to the license to build 140 locally. Another 42 are on order. India wants to have nearly 300 within four years, partly because of the increasing threat of invasion by China. The first 18 Su-30s India received from Russia have been retired after a decade of service. In many respects, the Indian made Su-30s, the Su-30MKI, is the most capable version available, due to its Israeli and European electronics, and the well trained Indian pilots.

The 38 ton SU-30MKI is most similar to the two seat American F-15E fighter-bomber. Even though equipped with Western electronics, the aircraft cost less than $40 million each, about half what an equivalent F-15 costs. The Su-30MKI can carry more than eight tons of bombs and hit targets over 1,500 kilometers away

Attrition: Mad Dogs, Englishmen And Su-30MKIs
 

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