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Russia Cuts Gas Supplies to Europe as Temperatures Drop

You really think Russia will win in an economic war?
You really think Europe has more to loose from sanctions by Russia, than Russia has to loose from sanctions by Europe?
Russia's entire GDP is 40% of Germany's, 60% of France, 7% of the EU GDP.
Don't bother with Putin fan boys on here. Funny thing is many of them are Russian fanboys even more than Russians themselves. lol Its abit like admiring/wanking over someone powerful just because he is on bad terms with your enemy since you know you are nowhere near powerful enough to stand up to that enemy/adversary but that country is, so all you can do is cheer for them more enthusiastically than even that person/country itself. Lol
Having a rational discussion with such people is meaningless. To them Russia is a virgin naive girl who has never done anything bad but is being bullied and maltreated by evil western powers :lol: but at the same time Russia is a superpower who doesn't suffer from any sanctions/measures against it by the west , only the west suffers from sanctions against Russia. lool
That is always their line of thought on here. :D
 
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BTW Nordstream 2 is just a gas pipeline that is build to provide gas conveniently to Germany.

In agreeing to Nordstream 2, Russia has been very generous and the Germans are very grateful.

Gasprom is a gas supplier while Germany is the customer.

When you buy your needed provision at a nearby convenient store, does it favour you or the store?

iMO it favours you more otherwise you have to drive to another store faraway to pick up the stuff you needed urgently.
 
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Europe already depend of American gas.

The main gas supplier through LNG to Spain last year was USA.
Not just that even China gets most of her LNG now from the US as well(Australia is first followed by US).
The thing is that Russia has far more to lose in any confrontation against the west/Europe than vice versa since Russia survival depends mostly on its natural resources and revenue it derives from it . If Europe (by far its biggest customer ) is forced to cut its demand for Russian oil and gas the effects on Russia will be disastrous than for Europe since we have alternative but Russia can't easily replaced our demand . Only a fool will think otherwise and Putin knows this.



US-China gas deals defy tensions between world powers

China’s voracious appetite for natural gas has sparked a wave of deals with US exporters of the fuel, strengthening energy trade between the world’s two biggest economies even as their relationship grows more fraught.
The latest sales were announced on Monday when Venture Global LNG, a company building a pair of liquefied natural gas export plants in Louisiana, said it had agreed two contracts to ship 3.5m tonnes a year of the fuel to state-owned China National Offshore Oil Corporation, the country’s biggest LNG importer.
The Cnooc deals bring to seven the number of big contracts signed between US exporters and Chinese customers since October. Some of the contracts last decades. China is poised to surpass Japan as the world’s largest LNG buyer this year, analysts say, while the US will leapfrog Australia and Qatar in LNG export capacity next year, according to its Energy Information Administration.
Tensions between Washington and Beijing have escalated over everything from China’s persecution of Uyghurs in Xinjiang and the crackdown on the pro-democracy movement in Hong Kong to its military activity near Taiwan. China has meanwhile accused the US of acting like a hegemon and trying to create a cold war between the powers.
The gas sales, by contrast, are another sign of ties between the two powers on energy and climate issues. The two governments also defied expectations to reach an agreement on addressing climate change at last month’s COP26 summit in Glasgow and have negotiated a joint release of strategic oil stockpiles to cool prices.
“The US-China relationship in many respects is at a very low point,” said Jason Bordoff, dean at Columbia Climate School and a former energy official under president Barack Obama. “But energy and climate are a potential bright spot where there can be more co-operation notwithstanding the tension and conflict.”
Venture Global had already signed agreements in November to send 4m tonnes a year of LNG to China’s state-owned oil and gas group Sinopec for 20 years, along with shorter-term agreements totalling 3.5m tonnes with its trading subsidiary Unipec. One of the new contracts with Cnooc is also for 20 years.
Mike Sabel, Venture Global chief executive, said China’s efforts to cut carbon emissions by replacing coal with natural gas in power plants was behind the agreements. The Sinopec deal had been timed to deliver a good message before the climate summit, he added.
“China is moving faster right now on these new deals than the rest of Asia,” Sabel told the Financial Times. “But as we announce these deals, the rest of the countries will [respond] — and are responding — because otherwise China will get an advantage.”
“We’re at this extraordinary moment where the world really needs US LNG and US LNG is the fastest that can come on line,” he added.
Cheniere Energy, the largest US LNG exporter, is betting on China to underpin growth. The Houston-based company has recently secured deals with buyers including state-backed Sinochem that total 3m tonnes a year.
“We think that Asia is the growth driver for our industry for LNG demand for decades to come, and China is the single biggest piece in that,” Anatol Feygin, Cheniere’s chief commercial officer, told the FT in October.
Dealmaking and gas flows are picking up after stalling during the Trump administration, when China imposed tariffs on US gas in retaliation for tariffs on its exports. Chinese companies have been seeking secure supplies of gas amid an economically damaging power crunch and a global gas price jump.
The US was the second-largest LNG supplier to China in the first nine months of this year, according to trade data compiled by Refinitiv. It was behind only Australia — another country whose relations with Beijing have been deteriorating.
“China is getting half its LNG from Australia and the US — that can’t make Beijing happy,” said Nikos Tsafos, head of energy and geopolitics at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington think-tank. “But they have to go where the projects are, and that’s where they are right now.”

Column chart of US LNG exports to China and total, bn cubic feet per day showing America's surging LNG exports

Xi Jinping, Chinese president, told his US counterpart Joe Biden that he wanted to “strengthen co-operation on natural gas” during the leaders’ first meeting last month, according to a summary of the call from China’s foreign ministry, a sign that Beijing sees the country as central to its fuel supply.

Yet selling gas overseas has become more politically sensitive inside the US after a rally recently took domestic prices above $6 a million British thermal units, the highest since 2008.

Elizabeth Warren, an influential Democratic senator, sent a letter to chief executives of 11 big natural gas producers including ExxonMobil and BP, asking if the companies had “considered cutting, suspending, or ending exports of natural gas to help ease spiking domestic prices”.

Some gas executives have pushed back, describing LNG exports as an opportunity for the US to help other countries to retire coal-fired electricity plants in favour of natural gas plants.

Bordoff at Columbia Climate School said any move to curtail exports would undermine confidence in America as a “reliable energy supplier”. He drew a parallel with European countries’ concerns about their reliance on Russian supplies, which “do have a political and geopolitical dimension to them”.

The booming international gas trade is also politically awkward for the Biden administration as it pushes to shift the economy away from fossil fuels. While natural gas emits less carbon dioxide than coal when it is burnt, it is still a big source of greenhouse gas emissions.

Tsafos at the CSIS think-tank said it reflected the “messy reality of the energy transition” — that the world remains heavily reliant on fossil fuels and the US is a large producer of oil and gas.

“The fact is, this is making both sides a bit uncomfortable,” he said.


 
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You really think Russia will win in an economic war?
You really think Europe has more to loose from sanctions by Russia, than Russia has to loose from sanctions by Europe?
Russia's entire GDP is 40% of Germany's, 60% of France, 7% of the EU GDP.

Russia has gold reserve worth $600 billion and climbing. Russia has the largest markets the world as it's customer for it's natural gas supplies in the shape of China (billion plus population), India (billion plus population) and Europe (500 million plus population). Unlike most countries, Russia dramatically reduced it's USD reserves. Russia is working with China to establish an IPS (International Payment System) which will be a viable alternative to the American controlled SWIFT service. Russia has also worked on mechanisms to bypass the petrodollar system for Oil Trade. When Western economic sanctions were imposed on Russia, it diversified it's economy to blunt the effects of those unjustified sanctions. Russia is one of the top producers of wheat.

Europe will loose tremendously when the USD collapses. Today, Bitcoin is hastening that USD collapse. Europe also stands to loose more as it sits under the Anglo-American thumb. France lost billions when America and Britain usurped the Nuclear Submarine of Australia. European produce exports suffered a lot when Russia hit back with its own sanctions.

So yes, to answer your question, Europe will stand to loose when forced to wage economic war on Russia.
 
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lol Its abit like admiring/wanking over someone powerful just because he is on bad terms with your enemy since you know you are nowhere near powerful enough to stand up to that enemy/adversary but that country is, so all you can do is cheer for them more enthusiastically than even that person/country itself. Lol
So accurate it hurts
 
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That is the consequences for buying gas in the spot market instead signing for more permanent option.

Why is EU delaying the approval for Nordstream 2 pipeline? :coffee:

Why blame Gasprom?

The EU politicians ought to take responsibility for their follies as winter approachs.

I think RU may be preferring its own citizens,
EU [and US] trying to get it via Syria route, but failed, innocent Syrian were butchered by UMA CHUMA Mujahideen..
 
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Russia has gold reserve worth $600 billion and climbing. Russia has the largest markets the world as it's customer for it's natural gas supplies in the shape of China (billion plus population), India (billion plus population) and Europe (500 million plus population). Unlike most countries, Russia dramatically reduced it's USD reserves. Russia is working with China to establish an IPS (International Payment System) which will be a viable alternative to the American controlled SWIFT service. Russia has also worked on mechanisms to bypass the petrodollar system for Oil Trade. When Western economic sanctions were imposed on Russia, it diversified it's economy to blunt the effects of those unjustified sanctions. Russia is one of the top producers of wheat.

Europe will loose tremendously when the USD collapses. Today, Bitcoin is hastening that USD collapse. Europe also stands to loose more as it sits under the Anglo-American thumb. France lost billions when America and Britain usurped the Nuclear Submarine of Australia. European produce exports suffered a lot when Russia hit back with its own sanctions.

So yes, to answer your question, Europe will stand to loose when forced to wage economic war on Russia.
"So yes, to answer your question, Europe will stand to loose when forced to wage economic war on Russia."
Hilarious
BTW Nordstream 2 is just a gas pipeline that is build to provide gas conveniently to Germany.

In agreeing to Nordstream 2, Russia has been very generous and the German are very grateful.

Gasprom is a gas supplier while Germany is the customer.

When you buy your needed provision at a nearby convenient store, does it favour you or the store?

iMO it favours you more otherwise you have to drive to another store faraway to pick up the stuff you needed urgently.
Yes, Russia is very generous to agree to sell the only resource Russia's entire economy depends on. Extremely generous.
 
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Europe dont have gun, they are deer! :enjoy:

Deers do fine. Bears go extinct.

And dude, Europe has hundreds of nukes itself. Russia is just a nigeria with snow. You know that yourself.
 
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Russia has gold reserve worth $600 billion and climbing. Russia has the largest markets the world as it's customer for it's natural gas supplies in the shape of China (billion plus population), India (billion plus population) and Europe (500 million plus population). Unlike most countries, Russia dramatically reduced it's USD reserves. Russia is working with China to establish an IPS (International Payment System) which will be a viable alternative to the American controlled SWIFT service. Russia has also worked on mechanisms to bypass the petrodollar system for Oil Trade. When Western economic sanctions were imposed on Russia, it diversified it's economy to blunt the effects of those unjustified sanctions. Russia is one of the top producers of wheat.

Europe will loose tremendously when the USD collapses. Today, Bitcoin is hastening that USD collapse. Europe also stands to loose more as it sits under the Anglo-American thumb. France lost billions when America and Britain usurped the Nuclear Submarine of Australia. European produce exports suffered a lot when Russia hit back with its own sanctions.

So yes, to answer your question, Europe will stand to loose when forced to wage economic war on Russia.

Spot on.

Russia is self-sufficient in many areas that other countries can only dream of.

Food, energy, metals, military technology, space technology, many industrial technologies.

Russia need to improve its electronics industry and financial sector. China and Russia should cooperate in these 2 areas.
 
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Spot on.

Russia is self-sufficient in many areas that other countries can only dream of.

Food, energy, metals, military technology, space technology, many industrial technologies.

Russia need to improve its electronics industry and financial sector. China and Russia should cooperate in these 2 areas.

Russias space program is virtually dead.

Russias biggest problem is extreme corruption on unimaginable levels. Thats the main reason why its called nigeria with snow.
 
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Deers do fine. Bears go extinct.

And dude, Europe has hundreds of nukes itself. Russia is just a nigeria with snow. You know that yourself.
LOL.. Russia has few nuke only and Europe nuke triumph Russia by thousands . Hope this makes u sleep better. :rofl:
 
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