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Russia-China Warn US That Israeli Attack On Iran Means “World War”

I do not belive that God exists.

But when I read about the three Abrahamic religions [Jewism/Islam/Christanity], something makes me feel that if GOD ever exists, he is with Israel.

Israel apparently existed before 2000 years and was destroyed by romans and by islam when it started in around 600 AD.

If you look at how Israel was formed after 2000 years like a phonix, and took on the Arab world single handedly, it makes you think.

They are the proxy behind the US and they are doing very well by dividing the the Muslim world and have ensured that there is no unity in the Muslim world.

Jo jitha whoh sikander
 
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It,s not a question of if but when israel decides to attack. You see iran has not just denied to accept the existence of the state of israel but also taken on the agenda of vocally disagreeing with American influence in the reigon.
Now what would happen if israel also targets Pakistan in the process (as someone said earlier), this would be world war III for definate as a sinking and dying pakistan would also nuke everyone of it,s enemies and the zionist state of israel would only require one nuke.
The americans don,t really have much say as we all know that powerfull jewish lobbies get their way in capitol hill backed by hardline pro christian groups (that believe the coming of christ after the jews get their own state), you see the zionist jews and these apocalyptic christians see this as a step towards this.
When israel attacks iran, how iran responds to israel is anyones guess, but this will definately be long range missiles, unleashing of hezbullah, attacks on occupying troops in iraq (mahadi army has allegiance and is guided by iranian religous cleric) and also afghanistan. Unholy alliances will be sort with the taliban and al-qaida and other terrorist groups from yemen to the horn of africa.
If the attack is nuclear by israel, then the response may be nuclear by iran if it has the bomb, or otherwise without a doubt will definately be a chemical/biological attack that could also see a small state such as israel totally devastated.
Israeli jews zionist (not orthodox) believe by causing a mass world war on a global scale will bring about the new israel which has its borders from the nile to the euphrates and also the coming of the messiah.

What the UN and civilised nations should do is pressurise the israelis to put their fanatical beliefs to asside (and let god send the messiah when he chooses to) and inform them that any misadventure may lead to the extinction of their race in the middle east on a scale never wittnessed before.

The difference between the iranians and other arab states is that the entire iranian people will be ready to take arms against america and israel if it comes to war. We saw how the iranians fought the war against iraq, civilians, students and even women and children.
I may totally disagree with the iranians even their religous ideologies, but agree with them on defending their nation and having the balls to address israel as an illegal and gonocidal state of racists.

Good Luck
"oh children of israel"
 
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I do not belive that God exists.

But when I read about the three Abrahamic religions [Jewism/Islam/Christanity], something makes me feel that if GOD ever exists, he is with Israel.

Israel apparently existed before 2000 years and was destroyed by romans and by islam when it started in around 600 AD.

If you look at how Israel was formed after 2000 years like a phonix, and took on the Arab world single handedly, it makes you think.

They are the proxy behind the US and they are doing very well by dividing the the Muslim world and have ensured that there is no unity in the Muslim world.

Jo jitha whoh sikander

You can belive what you like

Proxy that dividing the Muslim world is no other then Installed puppets on muslim world Almost All arab leaders are sold out and will do any thing to obey the Master including dividing the muslim world.

Installed Arab Puppets dont trust there own Military so they are Given Guns but no bullets............................:rofl:

AS far as fighting the whole Arab world and wining could be answered by another question how come the same Mighty Military got its Azz whopped by hizbullah(make what you like of it)as far as i am concerned Arab Leaders do what whashington Tells them and washington gets its advice from Tel Aviv ponder that.
 
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I do not belive that God exists.

But when I read about the three Abrahamic religions [Jewism/Islam/Christanity], something makes me feel that if GOD ever exists, he is with Israel.

Israel apparently existed before 2000 years and was destroyed by romans and by islam when it started in around 600 AD.

If you look at how Israel was formed after 2000 years like a phonix, and took on the Arab world single handedly, it makes you think.

They are the proxy behind the US and they are doing very well by dividing the the Muslim world and have ensured that there is no unity in the Muslim world.

Jo jitha whoh sikander


Hmm, ........... :coffee:

In my humble opinion, it is very sad to know that our Indian brothers, have come to take this version of the reality. Maybe, and I am not accusing you in any way, just maybe, this is because of the recent love that you guys might have developed for them after they sold you Harpy, AWACS, and other cool military hardware. I have this opinion because, if I were in your shoes, I would have thought the same, so I am not rejecting you, I am empathizing.

As for the "Almighty's support", since I will be considered biased because of my religion and nationality, Lemme just urge you to conduct your own research from neutral and un biased sources!!.

There is truth, and then there is "Truth". Today, there are so many versions of Truth, that, it is difficult to get to the "Truth".

If you ever do this research, it will take you years, you may or may not end up at the Truth, but you sure will have gained a lot of knowledge that will guide you to a statement more wider than what you have just spoken.

I would urge you to begin from one basic question and fundamental question:

Are "they" who currently claim Palestine, really who they claim they are, for the claims to be Abraham's seed are hidden by planned veils!!
 
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Hmm, ........... :coffee:

In my humble opinion, it is very sad to know that our Indian brothers, have come to take this version of the reality. Maybe, and I am not accusing you in any way, just maybe, this is because of the recent love that you guys might have developed for them after they sold you Harpy, AWACS, and other cool military hardware. I have this opinion because, if I were in your shoes, I would have thought the same, so I am not rejecting you, I am empathizing.

The Soviet/Russians have sold many more weapons that helped India to win wars, still I do not feel that they have a super natural power behind it. Instead, I feel that they are on the other side or it.

It is the immense potential of such a small state that indirectly controls US and thus the whole world is something to be amazed about.

I am sure the Arabs also respect Israels power.



As for the "Almighty's support", since I will be considered biased because of my religion and nationality, Lemme just urge you to conduct your own research from neutral and un biased sources!!.

There is truth, and then there is "Truth". Today, there are so many versions of Truth, that, it is difficult to get to the "Truth".

If you ever do this research, it will take you years, you may or may not end up at the Truth, but you sure will have gained a lot of knowledge that will guide you to a statement more wider than what you have just spoken.

I would urge you to begin from one basic question and fundamental question:

Are "they" who currently claim Palestine, really who they claim they are, for the claims to be Abraham's seed are hidden by planned veils!!

Well as per the history of Jewism, Jews are a collection of the 12 tribes, which were the sons of jacob.

Levites
Ruben
Simeon
Judah....to name a few

and the sons of Judah were called Jews. But now, all the generations of Jacob are called Jews.

Muslims are apparently the generation of Ismail. Who was born to Abraham through Hagar.

Christians dont have any roots, they are just collection of People who belived in Jesus, who was a jew.

In other words, Islam and Christainity are derived from Jewism.

Some Islamic cultures like Circumsition, beard, covered head...are all derived from Jewism.
 
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And yes, thanks for "empathizing".

You belive in Islam just because you were born in a Muslim family ? Or did you search the truth.
 
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The Soviet/Russians have sold many more weapons that helped India to win wars,

My friend, I am disappointed. The Soviets you said!, they didnt even believe in God, how can my argument be taken to support them of having a divine connection.

It is the immense potential of such a small state that indirectly controls US and thus the whole world is something to be amazed about.

As I said, just one version of the Truth my dear friend, this "immense Potential" that you speak of, just google how much billions do "they" get every year from the west in support. I wont say more, you can research it.

We as per the history of Jewism


So you are Jo oo ish. Nice to have you here. I will say this my friend, that unlike other sites, you will find us here and other Pakistanis to be open minded. Many do support the Palestinian cause but that doesnt mean that they will block you out or reject you. :cheers: .

Though dont say that word, jo oo ism, this is wrong, the proper word is Jo oo day ism.

We as per the history of Jewism, Jews are a collection of the 12 tribes, which were the sons of jacob.

Levites
Ruben
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and the sons of Judah were called Jews. But now, all the generations of Jacob are called Jews.

I already know all that, Just One question for you:

"To which of the original 12 tribes do the European and Russian Jo oo z belong who currently claim Palestine???"

There is one "BIG" thing you are missing here, "there is a big difference between being Jo oo ish and being a Semite (that is, the seed of Abraham)!!!

Research that very point, then we can discuss more.
 
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good for us... Isreal Attack on Iran hamain b mooka milay missile chalanay ka bohat arsa hogaya Hawa may Pencil ghomtay dekhay lolZ!

thats all BS. Isreal don have guts to Attack on Iran becuz Iran much much bigger with huge Ground force as compare to Isreal.. AIRFORCE is not everything 2nd RUSSIA and CHINA with Iran so thats impossible.

My point of view is if Israel Attack on Iran .... America position totally LOST in Afghanistan and also in our Region thats bit good for us.... America will loose everything if Israel go for WAR iwth Iran because its not a WAR!!! its MASSIVE WAR btw Isreal/America/Iran/Pakistan/Russia/China/India All NuclearPower countries in SINGLE BATTLEGROUND STADIUM!!!!


wesay Dunya shukar karayge ye sab akhatay farig hogaye agar lol

Iran's ground forces won't do it much good. and it's air force is in pretty bad shape compared to Israel's.
 
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Amazing the delusions of some people here, that the US is afraid of NKR, that Israel is afraid of Iran, that it is serious that Iran, Russia and China would be in an alliance against US.
 
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You can belive what you like

Proxy that dividing the Muslim world is no other then Installed puppets on muslim world Almost All arab leaders are sold out and will do any thing to obey the Master including dividing the muslim world.

Installed Arab Puppets dont trust there own Military so they are Given Guns but no bullets............................:rofl:

AS far as fighting the whole Arab world and wining could be answered by another question how come the same Mighty Military got its Azz whopped by hizbullah(make what you like of it)as far as i am concerned Arab Leaders do what whashington Tells them and washington gets its advice from Tel Aviv ponder that.

Israel didn't get beat in Lebanon. it was more of a stalemate with Lebanon getting the worst of it. Israel's error was that it got to complacent in it's ability and how much Hezbollah had built it's self up. it was a learning experience. and you can bet Israel has learned from it.
 
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Well Israel does not get aid from US, the get it because they control the economy in US. Do you want me to list major US firms owned by Jews ?

Jews were persecuted, they got united, controlled economy of US, influenced global affairs indirectly, built military capability...and fought for their cause.

But Islam has not be able to do so. They do not control global affairs, they do not have self built military capablity..and most bad of it all...they are not united and fight among themselves.

This is what makes me feel...
 
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Iran is no match for Israel.

The satellites launced by Iran are not even as capable as satellites made by university students in India.

Israel has ABM...while iran is just testing missiles that can reach israel.

Their ground force is of no use...they do not share borders.
 
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China’s Ties With Iran Complicate Diplomacy​



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Leaders of the House Foreign Affairs Committee swept into Beijing last month to meet with Chinese officials, carrying a plea from Washington: if Iran were to be kept from developing nuclear weapons, China would have to throw more diplomatic weight behind the cause.

In fact, the appeal had been largely answered even before the legislators arrived.

In June, China National Petroleum signed a $5 billion deal to develop the South Pars natural gas field in Iran. In July, Iran invited Chinese companies to join a $42.8 billion project to build seven oil refineries and a 1,019-mile trans-Iran pipeline. And in August, almost as the Americans arrived in China, Tehran and Beijing struck another deal, this time for $3 billion, that will pave the way for China to help Iran expand two more oil refineries.

The string of energy deals appalled the Democratic chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee, Representative Howard L. Berman of California, who called them “exactly the wrong message” to send to an Iran that seemed determined to flout international nuclear rules.

But some analysts see another message: as the United States issues new calls to punish Iran for secretly expanding its nuclear program, it is not at all clear that Washington’s interests are the same as Beijing’s.

That will make it doubly difficult, these analysts say, to push meaningful sanctions against Iran through the United Nations Security Council, where China not only holds a veto but has also been one of Iran’s more reliable defenders.

“Their threat perception on this issue is different from ours,” said Zalmay Khalilzad, who as the American ambassador to the United Nations under President George W. Bush helped persuade China to approve limited sanctions against Iran. “They don’t see Iran in the same way as we do.”

François Godement, a prominent China scholar and the president of the Paris-based Asia Center, put it more bluntly. “Basically,” he said, “the rise of Iran is not bad news for China.”

To be sure, China and the United States, leading members of the club of nuclear nations, share a practical interest in halting the spread of nuclear weapons to volatile areas like the Middle East. And it is in China’s interest to avoid alienating the United States, its economic and, increasingly, diplomatic partner on matters of global importance.

But beyond that, many experts say, their differences over Iran are not only economic but also ideological and strategic.

The United States has almost no financial ties with Iran, regards its government as a threat to global stability and worries that a rising Tehran would threaten American alliances and energy agreements in the Persian Gulf.

In contrast, China’s economic links to Tehran are growing rapidly, and China’s leaders see Iran not as a threat but as a potential ally. Nor would the Chinese be distressed, the reasoning goes, should a nuclear-armed Iran sap American influence in the region and drain the Pentagon’s resources in more Middle East maneuvering.

“Chinese leaders view Iran as a country of great potential power, perhaps already the economic and, maybe, militarily dominant power in that region,” said John W. Garver, a professor of international relations at Georgia Tech and the author of “China and Iran: Ancient Partners in a Post-Imperial World.”

An alliance with Tehran, he said, would be a bulwark against what China suspects is an American plan to maintain global dominance by controlling Middle Eastern energy supplies.

Beyond that, China relies heavily on Iran’s vast energy reserves — perhaps 15 percent of the world’s natural gas deposits and a tenth of its oil — to offset its own shortages. The Chinese are estimated to have $120 billion committed to Iranian gas and oil projects, and China has been Iran’s biggest oil export market for the past five years. In return, Iran has loaded up on imported Chinese machine tools, factory equipment, locomotives and other heavy goods, building China into one of its largest trading partners.

China scholars say that the relationship is anything but one-sided. Iran has skillfully parceled out its oil and gas reserves to Chinese companies, holding exploration and development as a sort of insurance policy to retain Chinese diplomatic backing in the United Nations.

For its part, China has opposed stiff sanctions against Iran’s nuclear program, acceding mostly to restrictions on trade in nuclear-related materials and orders to freeze the overseas assets of some Iranian companies.

Many experts question how much more punishment Beijing would agree to support. Iran has already been cited three times by the Security Council, with Beijing’s backing, for flouting prohibitions against its nuclear program.

In each case, Beijing agreed to measures only after stronger American proposals had been watered down and after Russia, the Council’s other critic of stiff sanctions and a close ally of Iran, had signed off on the proposal.

One noted Chinese analyst, Shi Yinhong of People’s University in Beijing, said in a telephone interview this week that China would probably follow much the same course should a new sanctions proposal reach the Security Council.

“China will do its utmost to find a balance” between Iran and the United States, Mr. Shi said. If Russia joins the other Council members in supporting a new sanctions resolution, he said, “China will do its best to try to dilute it, to make it limited, rather than veto it.”

But it is unlikely to do so happily. Supporting stronger sanctions might elevate China’s image as a global diplomatic leader, but the United States, not China, would reap the real benefits.

“China is not anxious to jump on this American train,” said one Chinese analyst, who spoke on the condition of anonymity in order to freely assess China’s foreign policy.




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Well Israel does not get aid from US, the get it because they control the economy in US. Do you want me to list major US firms owned by Jews ?

Jews were persecuted, they got united, controlled economy of US, influenced global affairs indirectly, built military capability...and fought for their cause.

But Islam has not be able to do so. They do not control global affairs, they do not have self built military capablity..and most bad of it all...they are not united and fight among themselves.

This is what makes me feel...

All of that is correct. However, Israel is not winning because of any divine intervention; they are winning because of their own hard work and planning. Jews have been living in Europe for 2000 years and know exactly how to work the system from the inside.

China/Russia will probably sit out any Israeli strike on Iran but, if it escalates into a full scale war, they will surely supply Iran with the latest weapons -- not least to try them out against Western technology. Also, an Israeli victory would be seen as a Western/US victory and the last thing that Russia/China want is to boost US confidence.
 
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All of that is correct. However, Israel is not winning because of any divine intervention; they are winning because of their own hard work and planning. Jews have been living in Europe for 2000 years and know exactly how to work the system from the inside.

China/Russia will probably sit out any Israeli strike on Iran but, if it escalates into a full scale war, they will surely supply Iran with the latest weapons -- not least to try them out against Western technology. Also, an Israeli victory would be seen as a Western/US victory and the last thing that Russia/China want is to boost US confidence.

It depends if Iran tries to close the Straight of Hormuz. If that happens China and Russia would not be able to supply the weapons fast enough. Since the war would escalate far beyond Israels attacks. If they do not try to close the straights they can play the victim to the fullest. I'm sure their pride will not allow that though.

It also would not be wise for Syria to get involved since it would result in the destruction of what little air force they have. While Hezbollah could probably put up a decent guerrilla warfare type defense their offensive ability to penetrate into Israel on a massive scale is almost none existent.

About the best Iran could hope for is their missiles to make it through Israels anti missile defenses. Down some attacking aircraft. Or hit any Israeli ships. Unconventionally they could use their proxy Hezbollah to attack Israeli Interests around the world.

On the religious side of things if Russia and China were to get involved with Iran. Many people will see it as the run up to the battle of Armageddon.
 
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