Russia Cancels First Japanese Tourist Trip to Disputed Kuril Islands

[Suika]

It matters not when the islands were invaded, as the instrument of surrender signed by Japan clearly stipulated "Japanese Government and their successors to carry out the provisions of the Potsdam Declaration in good faith, and to issue whatever orders and take whatever actions may be required by the Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers or by any other designated representative of the Allied Powers for the purpose of giving effect to that Declaration."
And the Potsdam Declaration had already laid out the terms "Japanese sovereignty shall be limited to the islands of Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, Shikoku, and such minor islands as we determine."

All the territorial demands made by Japan against its neighbors therefore are without merit.

"...and such minor islands as we determine".

There you go. The Japanese surrendered. No more use of force should have been required since then.

White Man logic is 0 or 1. There is no gray space. Japanese are not White Man. Japanese do not understand Russian claim to Kurils. Emperor's words mean nothing to Russians. Only Emperor's signature on the paper means end of war. Every country recognizes Kurils as Russia land except Japan.

You are dealing with Japan and its sentiments. If the SU started the battle before August 15th, then fair game. But it game afterwards.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

"...and such minor islands as we determine".

There you go. The Japanese surrendered. No more use of force should have been required since then.



You are dealing with Japan and its sentiments. If the SU started the battle before August 15th, then fair game. But it game afterwards.

Japan surrendered on September 2 when Emperor signed his name. Whatever he said before that counts nothing in terms of White Man 0 or 1 logic.

You are dealing with Japan and its sentiments. If the SU started the battle before August 15th, then fair game. But it game afterwards.

If Japan thinks Kurils is Japan land then Japan is welcome to fight for it the way Argentina fought for Falklands and took it back.

 

[Suika]

Japan surrendered on September 2 when Emperor signed his name. Whatever he said before that counts nothing in terms of White Man 0 or 1 logic.



If Japan thinks Kurils is Japan land then Japan is welcome to fight for it the way Argentina fought for Falklands and took it back.

The Japanese layed down hostilities upon the emperor's announcement.

Even "white man logic" understand that the Japanese took the emperor literally and absolutely.

Stop playing dumb as forgetting about "Tenno Heika Banzai!". You're trolling is sticking out like a sore thumb.

And you are ignoring the fact that the last bombing mission sent to Japan was on August 14th because no more bombing missions were seen necessary because of Japan's surrender the following day.

Its Russia's decision whether or not to make a peace treaty. If a peace treaty is made,then Japanese investments pour into the Russian Far East as reward. If not, then the island dispute lingers on. That's all. Japanese don't care to use force to get the islands back right now and for the forseeable future.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

The Japanese layed down hostilities upon the emperor's announcement.

Emperor might have been lying. Soldiers may have been faking. It happens in war all the time to trick enemy. Only when emperor signed paper did war end.

Its Russia's decision whether or not to make a peace treaty. If a peace treaty is made,then Japanese investments pour into the Russian Far East as reward.

Why would Russia need Japanese investment? Russia can print trillions of USD. Money ain't tied to gold or silver since the 1930s. Now money is number. Number is infinite.

 

[Suika]

Emperor might have been lying. Soldiers may have been faking. It happens in war all the time to trick enemy. Only when emperor signed paper did war end.



Why would Russia need Japanese investment? Russia can print trillions of USD. Money ain't tied to gold or silver since the 1930s. Now money is number. Number is infinite.

"The emperor might have been lying" I think is the most retarded thing I have seen yet on these boards. Well done troll-comrade.

Russia's decision whether or not it wants additional Japanese investment in the region. That's all. If Russia doesn't, then its better for the UK, Poland, and the Ukraine but worse for Russia. If Russia does, then its worse for the UK, Poland, and the Ukraine, but better for Russia. Whichever..

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

"The emperor might have been lying" I think is the most retarded thing I have seen yet on these boards. Well done troll-comrade.

Are you suggesting Japanese emperor is incapable of lying? Are you suggesting when Japanese emperor said he would surrender there was no possibility he was lying to trick enemy? Do you even understand what is White Man 0 or 1 logic?

Russia's decision whether or not it wants additional Japanese investment in the region. That's all. If Russia doesn't, then its better for the UK, Poland, and the Ukraine but worse for Russia. If Russia does, then its worse for the UK, Poland, and the Ukraine, but better for Russia. Whichever..

What can Japan make Russia can't? I can't think of any. I think Russia has better technology than Japan because Russia has access to all White Man technology which is best in the world.

 

[Suika]

Are you suggesting Japanese emperor is incapable of lying? Are you suggesting when Japanese emperor said he would surrender there was no possibility he was lying to trick enemy? Do you even understand what is White Man 0 or 1 logic?

Thank you for the exchanges up to this point.

Are you suggesting Japanese emperor is incapable of lying? Are you suggesting when Japanese emperor said he would surrender there was no possibility he was lying to trick enemy? Do you even understand what is White Man 0 or 1 logic?



What can Japan make Russia can't? I can't think of any. I think Russia has better technology than Japan because Russia has access to all White Man technology which is best in the world.

Thank you for the exchanges.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Thank you for the exchanges up to this point.


Thank you for the exchanges.

America gave Russia the green light to invade Sakhalin and Kurils. Whether the emperor announced surrender means nothing. The war only ends when Russia takes all of Sakhalin and Kurils. They did that on September 1. Emperor signed his name on September 2. Japan has no legitimate claim to Sakhalin or any Kuril.

Emperor surrendered on August 15 but Allies did not accept Japan's surrender until September 1 when Russia took all of Sakhalin and Kurils which was deal between America and Russia. Emperor signed his name on September 2.

 

[Zsari]

"...and such minor islands as we determine".
There you go. The Japanese surrendered. No more use of force should have been required since then.

We the allied forces, not you. Lol. No more use of force, just taking control of the islands that no longer belong to Japan as we determined.

 

[Suika]

We the allied forces, not you. Lol. No more use of force, just taking control of the islands that no longer belong to Japan as we determined.

Determined as the allies based on the conditions of unconditional surrender. Japan surrendered unconditionally. Russia attacked after the surrender. It is quite possible that those islands would have been removed from Japanese territory as part of unconditional terms. However the difference between losing the island on unconditional terms and losing them because of a post-surrender attack is Japan suffering 600 more causalities which go on top of the already massive causalities. So for causing 600 entirely needless Japanese casualties after Japan announced unconditional surrender, the island dispute continues.

 

[vostok]

Japan was on the defensive. US bombing had ceased. Japan just had been nuked twice. The Japanese EMPEROR Hirohito himself delivered the surrender by radio waves to all Japanese radio sets. There's no faking that. There was no need for an offensive launched on August 18th at the northern islands. It was a greedy island invasion that caught the Japanese by surprise and got more people killed for no reason other than just greedy Stalin land grab after enemy leadership announced surrender. That is why the island dispute remains today and why no peace treaty has been signed yet.



The island dispute will remain indefinately then.

Oh, Japanese, who invaded half of Asia and killed dozens of millions of people is talking about unjustice of WW2. Wow.
Try to understaend - for Red Army does no matter what Hirohito or Miromito or whatever talks. What matter - is what orders have Red Army. They have orders - free North-Eastern China (occupied by Japan), free Northern Korea (occupied by Japan), free Southern Sakhalin (secceded to Japan after 1905 war), free Kuril islands (also secceded).
You can not just start the war of conquest and then say - "Stop, we surrender, the war is over, please let us choose what lands we will save and what we will leave". No, you must pay for your defeat, as all defeated nations. You paid it - now move on and forget about your looses. We are totally fine with status-quo. It is you who want grab some lands.

 

[Suika]

Oh, Japanese, who invaded half of Asia and killed dozens of millions of people is talking about unjustice of WW2. Wow.
Try to understaend - for Red Army does no matter what Hirohito or Miromito or whatever talks. What matter - is what orders have Red Army. They have orders - free North-Eastern China (occupied by Japan), free Northern Korea (occupied by Japan), free Southern Sakhalin (secceded to Japan after 1905 war), free Kuril islands (also secceded).
You can not just start the war of conquest and then say - "Stop, we surrender, the war is over, please let us choose what lands we will save and what we will leave". No, you must pay for your defeat, as all defeated nations. You paid it - now move on and forget about your looses. We are totally fine with status-quo. It is you who want grab some lands.

The only time Chicoms and Russians believe American propaganda is WW2 American propaganda. Wow.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/what-is-your-impression-of-china.638471/page-3#post-11818850


If the Soviet Union was certain that terms of unconditional surrender pushed on Japan were to include the removal of the northern islands from Japan just like with Taiwan, Okinawa, and Iwo Jima, then the SU shouldn't have even felt the need to invade the northern islands to begin with.

Nothing but greedy Stalin land grab. Stalin cares nothing for sending waves of humans in a meat grinder. "1 death is a tragedy, 1 million is a statistic" So whats another 1,000 going to mean? Just get the islands, da.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Determined as the allies based on the conditions of unconditional surrender. Japan surrendered unconditionally. Russia attacked after the surrender. It is quite possible that those islands would have been removed from Japanese territory as part of unconditional terms. However the difference between losing the island on unconditional terms and losing them because of a post-surrender attack is Japan suffering 600 more causalities which go on top of the already massive causalities. So for causing 600 entirely needless Japanese casualties after Japan announced unconditional surrender, the island dispute continues.

Russia attacked after the surrender because Allies did not accept Emperor's surrender until after Sakhalin and Kurils were taken. They took that on September 1. Allies accepted surrender on September 1. Emperor signed his name on September 2.

 

[vostok]

The only time Chicoms and Russians believe American propaganda is WW2 American propaganda. Wow.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/what-is-your-impression-of-china.638471/page-3#post-11818850


If the Soviet Union was certain that terms of unconditional surrender pushed on Japan were to include the removal of the northern islands from Japan just like with Taiwan, Okinawa, and Iwo Jima, then the SU shouldn't have even felt the need to invade the northern islands to begin with.

Nothing but greedy Stalin land grab. Stalin cares nothing for sending waves of humans in a meat grinder. "1 death is a tragedy, 1 million is a statistic" So whats another 1,000 going to mean? Just get the islands, da.

In fact, Soviet participation on the Far East save millions of lifes. Because it was one of conditions of USA participation in the war against Hitler. So, they opened Second Front in Normandia and that was real help for USSR. We would won in any case but there would be more losts and Nazi would fight may be one more year and kill more people in Europe. So by helping USA on the ar East and acting against Japan Stalin did great thing.

 

[Zsari]

Determined as the allies based on the conditions of unconditional surrender. Japan surrendered unconditionally. Russia attacked after the surrender. It is quite possible that those islands would have been removed from Japanese territory as part of unconditional terms. However the difference between losing the island on unconditional terms and losing them because of a post-surrender attack is Japan suffering 600 more causalities which go on top of the already massive causalities. So for causing 600 entirely needless Japanese casualties after Japan announced unconditional surrender, the island dispute continues.

The surrendering requires Japan to hand over territories the ally deems as no longer under Japanese sovereignty. That means Japan needs to vacate instead of resisting those that were there to take possession of these territories. If anyone continues to fight against the ally forces after the surrendering, then the commander is ultimately responsible for any lose of life.