Russia Cancels First Japanese Tourist Trip to Disputed Kuril Islands

[Suika]

UN Charter became effective on 24 October 1945. Lands taken by military before 24 October 1945 is legal. For example Britain took Falkland islands from Argentina before 24 October 1945 so Argentina has no legitimate claim to Falkland islands. Russia took Karafuto perfecture before 24 October 1945. So it was legal conquest.Yet Japan claims the part of Sakhalin island south of 50th parallel still belongs to Japan. This claim has no legitimacy because Russia took the part of Sakhalin island south of 50th parallel before the UN charter became effective on 24 October 1945.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karafuto_Prefecture

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_of_the_United_Nations

UN is post-war America system. Not about ending the Pacific War. The war ended when the Japanese surrendered on August 15th.

 

[vostok]

The last bombing run by the US on Japan was on August 14th because the following day Japan surrendered. Russia attacked after Japan surrendered.



Just this month, Malabar 2019.

The great majority of fighting stopped. US bombing of Japan stopped. Russia made more advances after Japan officially surrendered. No more men had to be killed in the Battle of Shumshu. But SU had to attack and disrespect Japanese surrender instead of letting things be. So Japanese maintain the island dispute.

Respect or disrecpect means nothing. The war stops after signing act of capitulation, not after that or this army surrender or not surrender.

 

[beijingwalker]

UN is post-war America system. Not about ending the Pacific War. The war ended when the Japanese surrendered on August 15th.

You surrendered but was not tried and punished yet, those happened later, you should feel lucky that allies didn't kill your emperor and divide your country like they did to Germany.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

UN is post-war America system. Not about ending the Pacific War. The war ended when the Japanese surrendered on August 15th.

According to wiki WW2 ended in September, not in August.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II

Respect or disrecpect means nothing. The war stops after signing act of capitulation, not after that or this army surrender or not surrender.

Yes. This is Western black or white logic. 0 or 1.

 

[Suika]

I said you will be further isolated in this region, north east Asia, you've made every single country in this region your enemy. I don't know US and India are East Asian countries.

You say lots of things. Keep waving your jedi-troll jedi hand.

Respect or disrecpect means nothing. The war stops after signing act of capitulation, not after that or this army surrender or not surrender.

It does matter, Japanese surrendered. But Russia still invaded. Japan will maintain the island dispute because it can. If Russia did not attack after Japanese surrender, then there would be no island dispute.

You surrendered but was not tried and punished yet, those happened later, you should feel lucky that allies didn't kill your emperor and divide your country like they did to Germany.

No, the US push for unconditional surrender was stupid. Plenty more than necessary damage was dealt.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

You say lots of things. Keep waving your jedi-troll jedi hand.



It does matter, Japanese surrendered. But Russia still invaded. Japan will maintain the island dispute because it can. If Russia did not attack after Japanese surrender, then there would be no island dispute.

Japan claims the southern half of Sakhalin belongs to Japan. But it does not dare to invade like Argentina took back Falklands.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karafuto_Prefecture

 

[Suika]

Japan claims the southern half of Sakhalin belongs to Japan. But it does not dare to invade like Argentina took back Falklands.

Japan is claiming the bottom four islands only.

Keep feeling might about Russia Stronk sentiment. Japan GDP is 3 times that of Russia's. Russia military spending is running at 5% of GDP. If Japan goes to 2%, then it already exceeds Russia's.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Japan is claiming the bottom four islands only.

Keep feeling might about Russia Stronk sentiment. Japan GDP is 3 times that of Russia's. Russia military spending is running at 5% of GDP. If Japan goes to 2%, then it already exceeds Russia's.

Japan claims Karafuto Prefecture belongs to Japan because Russia took it from Japan in August 1945.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karafuto_Prefecture

 

[vostok]

It does matter, Japanese surrendered. But Russia still invaded. Japan will maintain the island dispute because it can. If Russia did not attack after Japanese surrender, then there would be no island dispute.

No it does not. Russia attacked Japan at 9th August, and war stopped at 2nd September. Try to understand it. Your surrender or not surrender - does not matter.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Japan is claiming the bottom four islands only.

Keep feeling might about Russia Stronk sentiment. Japan GDP is 3 times that of Russia's. Russia military spending is running at 5% of GDP. If Japan goes to 2%, then it already exceeds Russia's.

Russia has more trees than Japan. Russia can print more money than Japan. Russia can print 1 trillion USD. Money is not tied to gold or silver anymore.

 

[Suika]

No it does not. Russia attacked Japan at 9th August, and war stopped at 2nd September. Try to understand it. Your surrender or not surrender - does not matter.

US stopped its offensive because of announcement of surrender by the Japanese emperor. The SU made an attack afterwards. Had the SU not attacked afterwards, the signing might have happened a weak earlier. Formalities and such need to be prepared first. Attacking after announcement if surrender is a dirty shot and so the the dispute remains. Japan never signed an end of war treaty with Russia because of that.

Return the bottom 2 or 4 islands, then a peace treaty between Japan and Russia can be signed. Japan has such peace treaty with the US and Republic of China already. Still waiting on the SU/Russia.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

US stopped its offensive because of announcement of surrender by the Japanese emperor. The SU made an attack afterwards. Had the SU not attacked afterwards, the signing might have happened a weak earlier. Formalities and such need to be prepared first. Attacking after announcement if surrender is a dirty shot and so the the dispute remains. Japan never signed an end of war treaty with Russia because of that.

Return the bottom 2 or 4 islands, then a peace treaty between Japan and Russia can be signed. Japan has such peace treaty with the US and Republic of China already. Still waiting on the SU/Russia.

Only Habomai can be returned. Shikotan have thousands of Russian citizens on it, so it will never be returned.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...-russian-held-isle-off-hokkaido/#.XaXhi_dE3CI

Still waiting on the SU/Russia.

Russia and Japan are not at war so no peace treaty needs to be signed. Russia never declared war on Japan in 1945.

 

[Suika]

Only Habomai can be returned. Shikotan have thousands of Russian citizens on it, so it will never be returned.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...-russian-held-isle-off-hokkaido/#.XaXhi_dE3CI



Russia and Japan are not at war so no peace treaty needs to be signed. Russia never declared war on Japan in 1945.

Russian citizens can continue to live on those islands. The idea has already been proposed by Abe.

Technically speaking, without a peace treaty, the war has not ended. Just a very long gentlemen's agreement.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Technically speaking, without a peace treaty, the war has not ended. Just a very long gentlemen's agreement.

Technically, Russia and Japan are not at war. Russia never formally declared war on Japan in August 1945 like this.

So there is no need to sign some peace treaty.

 

[Suika]

Technically, Russia and Japan are not at war. Russia never formally declared war on Japan in August 1945 like this.

So there is no need to sign some peace treaty.

Technically speaking, no declaration of war was made between Republic of China and Japan either. But they signed a peace treaty. Putin has also on many occassions said that a peace treaty could be signed under certain conditions. So there is meaning in having a peace treaty signed between Russia and Japan.