Russia blames CIA special forces for Nord Stream 1 attack to cripple Germany economically so Airbus cannot compete with Boeing

[jhungary]

What would Russia gain from blowing up a huge potential income source?
I see none, but that just me.

Insurance payout. Especially so if Russia believe they are not going to resume gas/oil delivery to EU anytime soon.

That pipeline still needs regular maintenance work even if it is not sending oil and gas to Europe, which means it will take resource and money to maintain an empty pipeline. Why not just destroy part of it and claim the insurance pay out than just leave it hanging over time??

 

[MH.Yang]

Insurance payout. Especially so if Russia believe they are not going to resume gas/oil delivery to EU anytime soon.

That pipeline still needs regular maintenance work even if it is not sending oil and gas to Europe, which means it will take resource and money to maintain an empty pipeline. Why not just destroy part of it and claim the insurance pay out than just leave it hanging over time??

You mean Russia bombed Nord Stream to defraud insurance compensation?

 

[mike2000 is back]

We're talking about who blew up Nord Stream. Or do you mean the European Parliament bombed Nord Stream?

I was talking not just about north stream bombing and who's responsible. But more about the consequences and how its actually a good thing for Europe as whole unlike what some of you guys are parroting on here. And no, it's not bad news for Germany either. More like it will be very bad news for Russia in the long term.

Moroever, we will not know who is responsible since those responsible will obviously cover their track. Could be Russia, Ukraine , Poland, etc who knows? Only maybe after years and decades might we actually know who did it, barring some credible discovery/leakage.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Germany has political, economic, security commitments through NATO and EU to other European states. Russia is the offender here

To be honest, I believe the West is to blame for emboldening Putin . Western powers should have acted the way we acted now long ago when Russia invaded parts of Georgia to carve out what it considered protecting ethnic Russians . If we had imposed maximum sanctions on Russia and cut them off from SWIFT, cut off their oil exports(their main revenue stream) the way we just did, support georgia with full military equipment and training etc the way we just did with ukraine, then Russia would have never go ahead invaded and annexed Crimea, since they will know the cost of doing so will be too much. and even less so Eastern Ukraine. When you give someone an inch they will want even more. So here we are today

 

[nangyale]

To be honest, I believe the West is to blame for emboldening Putin . Western powers should have acted the way we acted now long ago when Russia invaded parts of Georgia to carve out what it considered protecting ethnic Russians . If we had imposed maximum sanctions on Russia and cut them off from SWIFT, cut off their oil exports(their main revenue stream) the way we just did, support georgia with full military equipment and training etc the way we just did with ukraine, then Russia would have never go ahead invaded and annexed Crimea, since they will know the cost of doing so will be too much. and even less so Eastern Ukraine. When you give someone an inch they will want even more. So here we are today

It was impossible for the west to do what they are doing in Ukraine today.
Back in 2008 US+NATO were facing two active insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan. Imagine the results if Russia supplied 1/10 to the Taliban of what the US is supplying Ukraine.

 

[nang2]

Poland is not only unable to do this, but it will actually undermine Poland's security interests in the long run.

In fact, this is not only damaging and humiliating Germany's sovereignty, but also a major blow to the necessity of EU existence. The energy crisis and the devaluation of the euro have proved that Germany is unable to protect the economic security of EU countries. The Nord Stream incident has proved that Germany is unable to protect the sovereign security of EU countries. Germany could not even protect its own sovereignty.


If the EU cannot guarantee economic and sovereign security. What is the reason for EU countries to continue to unite under the flag of Germany? If the EU splits, it will severely damage Poland's security interests.

Even if Poland wanted to destroy Nord Stream, it would still be after the end of the Ukrainian war, not now.

The whole thing is supposed to be a secret. They won't think about what will happen if they get caught. Otherwise, nobody would do it because the consequence is huge.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

To be honest, I believe the West is to blame for emboldening Putin . Western powers should have acted the way we acted now long ago when Russia invaded parts of Georgia to carve out what it considered protecting ethnic Russians . If we had imposed maximum sanctions on Russia and cut them off from SWIFT, cut off their oil exports(their main revenue stream) the way we just did, support georgia with full military equipment and training etc the way we just did with ukraine, then Russia would have never go ahead invaded and annexed Crimea, since they will know the cost of doing so will be too much. and even less so Eastern Ukraine. When you give someone an inch they will want even more. So here we are today

Georgia has 3 million people. Even with American weapons supply, Georgia would have been annexed if they fought Russia.

 

[Meengla]

Definitely USA involved in it because Russia will never do it because through Nord spring they can blackmail Europe

And that's what USA never want time for EU to understand who is nemesis here if EU can bring peace with Russia it will benefit both leaving USA alone

Beneficery of all this is usa

Agreed. My first thought was Americans behind this and hig-profile people like Tucker Carlson and Tulsi Gabbard are already implying the connection! They have millions of followers.

From before this war begain, I had seen the coyness of the American govt. It was the 'Bipartisan' war-mongers in Washington who WANTED this war and forced a spineless Europe to follow the plan. The politicians in Washington can't agree upon anything except foreign wars. Just think about that!!!! Oh you Europeans. Woe to you. You are so unimaginative and full of low self-esteem!! Well, your loss will be gain for Americans, for the Chinese, and perhaps for many Asian nations. You suckers have once again allowed a major war to happen in Europe. But this one can wipe off Europe, if not much of the world. You idiots! Putin can't manage even Ukraine but you were made scared to think that he would invade NATO countries!

 

[Path-Finder]

Actually, Russia blames CIA special forces for Nord Stream 1 attack to cripple Germany economically so Mercedes cannot compete with GM in making cars.

Mercedes will always be a better product than jm.

 

[monitor]

Its difficult to know who blew up the Nord Stream pipelines. If we go for motives, Russia has none; they can turn off the gas when they want if they destroy it any chance of selling gas through it will stop if any deal comes in future. The U.S. has plenty: Blame Putin, escalate the war, advance green agenda, make EU dependent on us for energy and make it impossible for Europeans for any negotiations for gas for coming winter.

Nord stream pipelines are situated behind the level of frogmen for any attack. Only remotely operated underwater vehicles can do this attack . US and Russia are two country who have this capability. Some Baltic country too have this capability but very unlikely they will do this .

 

[VCheng]

Mercedes will always be a better product than jm.

Of course. But a lack of energy supplies might bring Mercedes down. Sounds like a plan!

 

[SecularNationalist]

Wouldn't Russia have a greater reason to blow this up than the US?

Not really.
They would have to stop the gas supply openly if the want to send message to the EU. Specially these days with the conflict in Ukraine ,Russia sends a message openly rather than blowing things secretly.
Its looks like an act of some third party who wants to drag EU in war with Russia or hurting both sides economically.
Could be CIA, M16 or Mossad.

 

[jhungary]

You mean Russia bombed Nord Stream to defraud insurance compensation?

No.

I said Russia have motive to do so, I didn't say they did it.

 

[jamal18]

So America has destroyed Germany's most vital energy lines? What will the gutless Germans do, blame the Russians as per US instructions?

Western Europe has jumped off a cliff on US orders. This is the end of Western Europe as an economic powerhouse. The US gains in massive sales of gas and oil. Not to mention arms supplies for resurgent Eurpean militaries.

And the European citizen is destined for poverty. Food and heating in short supply soon.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Georgia has 3 million people. Even with American weapons supply, Georgia would have been annexed if they fought Russia.

Yeah maybe, but it would have cost Russia far more than it did and they would have had to think twice about invading any more country in Europe. The fact that Western powers did absolutely nothing only embolden Putin that the west is Weak minded and unwilling to take any crucial drastic measures against Russia. Even if I was Putin I will keep pushing my luck and pushing the goal for my country's interets to see how far I can go before encountering any resistance. Which is exactly what he did with the annexation of crimea (which again led to only symbolic Western sanctions ) again due to some European countries still harbouring some sort of hope that Russia will stop there, especially those European countries that actually had neutral or even good ties with Putin/Russia and they didn't want to make any tough decisions that will affect the status quo and economy to some extent..however they failed to realise that when it comes to such geopolitical matters of national security concerns and military intervention, you have to take drastic measures (even if it means it might affect you economically to some marginal extent).
I think many European countries have been soften by this long era of peace ans stability
and prosperity in Europe for so long that many began thinking they can never be conflict or an invasion in their neighbourhood again. This Russian invasion of Ukraine is actually a good wake up call to them(since georgia and crimea where smaller states hence less impact to the average european), it has made even those formerly neutral and semi pro Russian European countries to take the Russian threat now more seriously , hence the unanimous decisions of sanctions on Russia at all levels in the EU(something that is actually rare to see. lol) even if it means some economic cost. That's exactly what they should have done long ago. Else we won't be here today . I guess better late than never..I actually think this war can be a good thing and a new turning point for Europe I this regard..

So America has destroyed Germany's most vital energy lines? What will the gutless Germans do, blame the Russians as per US instructions?

Western Europe has jumped off a cliff on US orders. This is the end of Western Europe as an economic powerhouse. The US gains in massive sales of gas and oil. Not to mention arms supplies for resurgent Eurpean militaries.

And the European citizen is destined for poverty. Food and heating in short supply soon.

Let's mark this comment of yours and come back here a 2/3 years from now and let's see if Europe will be in poverty and demise by then as you said..... Lmao.