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Russia asked China for military and economic aid for Ukraine war, U.S. officials say

As of now, no concessions are necessary. China started the slow walk away from Russia last week.

As the war continues, images of destroyed Ukrainian cities will be published all over the world. The peoples of Australia, JPN, SKR, Taiwan, and Singapore will mentally substitute in their cities, and if you think that will make them move closer to China, you are as mistaken as Poutine when he started the war. Instead, JPN, SKR, Taiwan, Australia, and Singapore will be frightened enough that they will move closer to the US. China's quick tongue kiss of Russia impressed Asia that there is no telling what China will do. SKR recently elected president Yoon Suk-Yeol is a conservative and he want a closer relationship with the US. Now that he seen those images of devastation of Ukraine by China's new love Russia, looks like the American THAAD air defense missile system is back on the menu for SKR.

So if China is going to get the bad rep regardless of what they do or won't do, what's the point of supporting the west then..? Once this Ukraine debacle is over, the West will simply double down on China... Pressure on China regarding Xinjiang, Tibet, HK, Taiwan, etc will only increase from then on... even more if Ukraine / the West "won" against Russia...

JPN, Taiwan, AUS are already openly hostile to China even today.. EU countries are already sending their fleet to SCS for FONOP missions... even tiny Lithuania is already taking on Chinese red lines by naming the Taiwan rep office as "Taiwan".. only SKR was previously still on the fence, but that has obviously changed now (even before China did anything)... On a more simple note, has there been any positive articles regarding China in the Western media these past few years..?

Or do you really believe that if China complies with the West's request today to isolate Russia, the West and their allies will suddenly become "nicer" to China going forward...? I believe it will be the opposite, unless China can get some written guarantees from the West..

I would think it's better for China to face this increased pressure while still having a somewhat stable and reliable Russia to cover their back... At the very least the EU countries will then be more preoccupied in containing Russia rather than spending their time poking at China... China can help make up to Ukraine by sending humanitarian aid and re-building their infrastructure back.. something that China is really good at..
 
China will not be suckered into Russia's failure? China is one foot in. :lol:

Here is my prediction...And I have NO problems with being proved wrong.

There will be short occupation of Ukraine. It will be short because daily Ukraine will suck millions from Russia. Whether Poutine is a victim of a coup or pressured out or even remain in power, Russia will lo$e anyway. After the withdrawal, the EU will move in to rebuild Ukraine with Poland, a NATO member, being Ukraine's 'most favored' trade partner because there is no denying how Poland helped Ukrainian refugees. With Poland being held in Ukraine's high esteem, so will NATO. But there is no need for NATO membership for Ukraine. The EU does have a mutual defense clause and with Ukraine in the EU, Ukraine will be indirectly a NATO member. China seeing the money in rebuilding Ukraine, will part ways with Russia, essentially screwing Russia over, and will try to get a slice of the Ukraine rebuild financial pie.
More like Russia wants to fight a prolonged savage, brutal war in Ukraine to make it example for rest of Europe.

I wouldn't mind being proven wrong on this part that Russia is busy cleansing Ukraine of Ukrainians. I think this is being done systemically by forcing the Ukrainans in their millions to flee the country to rest of Europe. Those that remain will be slaughtered and Ukraine will end up with only pro-Russian Ukrainians along with a dominant ethnic Russian ruling the country.

The Ukraine that existed between 1991-2022 is now gone along with it's people.
 
whoever is believing this bs must be brain dead, and looks like we have a lot in this thread alone.
 
So if China is going to get the bad rep regardless of what they do or won't do, what's the point of supporting the west then..? Once this Ukraine debacle is over, the West will simply double down on China... Pressure on China regarding Xinjiang, Tibet, HK, Taiwan, etc will only increase from then on... even more if Ukraine / the West "won" against Russia...

JPN, Taiwan, AUS are already openly hostile to China even today.. EU countries are already sending their fleet to SCS for FONOP missions... even tiny Lithuania is already taking on Chinese red lines by naming the Taiwan rep office as "Taiwan".. only SKR was previously still on the fence, but that has obviously changed now (even before China did anything)... On a more simple note, has there been any positive articles regarding China in the Western media these past few years..?

Or do you really believe that if China complies with the West's request today to isolate Russia, the West and their allies will suddenly become "nicer" to China going forward...? I believe it will be the opposite, unless China can get some written guarantees from the West..

I would think it's better for China to face this increased pressure while still having a somewhat stable and reliable Russia to cover their back... At the very least the EU countries will then be more preoccupied in containing Russia rather than spending their time poking at China... China can help make up to Ukraine by sending humanitarian aid and re-building their infrastructure back.. something that China is really good at..
US written guarantees, promises or treaties are worthless or garbage as evidenced in Yankee gov's behaves toward China these days totally violoate the three founding communiques signed between China and USA since 1972.
 
As of now, no concessions are necessary. China started the slow walk away from Russia last week.

As the war continues, images of destroyed Ukrainian cities will be published all over the world. The peoples of Australia, JPN, SKR, Taiwan, and Singapore will mentally substitute in their cities, and if you think that will make them move closer to China, you are as mistaken as Poutine when he started the war. Instead, JPN, SKR, Taiwan, Australia, and Singapore will be frightened enough that they will move closer to the US. China's quick tongue kiss of Russia impressed Asia that there is no telling what China will do. SKR recently elected president Yoon Suk-Yeol is a conservative and he want a closer relationship with the US. Now that he seen those images of devastation of Ukraine by China's new love Russia, looks like the American THAAD air defense missile system is back on the menu for SKR.
And don't forget that the USA and NATO created the mess or sh** that is now the situation in Ukraine over the past years, can't blame Russia in the first place.
 

Russia asked China for military and economic aid for Ukraine war, U.S. officials say​

Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese leader Xi Jinping attend an ice hockey friendly game between junior teams in Tianjin, China, in  June 2018. | SPUTNIK / KREMLIN / VIA REUTERSRussian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese leader Xi Jinping attend an ice hockey friendly game between junior teams in Tianjin, China, in June 2018. | SPUTNIK / KREMLIN / VIA REUTERS


WASHINGTON – Russia asked China to give it military equipment and support for the war in Ukraine after Russian President Vladimir Putin began a full-scale invasion last month, according to U.S. officials.

Russia has also asked China for additional economic assistance, to help counteract the battering its economy has taken from broad sanctions imposed by the United States and European and Asian nations, according to an official.

U.S. officials, determined to keep secret their means of collecting the intelligence on Russia’s requests, declined to describe further the kind of military weapons or aid that Moscow is seeking. The officials also declined to discuss any reaction by China to the requests.

Chinese President Xi Jinping has strengthened a partnership with Putin and has stood by him as Russia has stepped up its military campaign, destroying cities in Ukraine and killing hundreds or thousands of civilians. U.S. officials are watching China closely to see whether it will act on any requests of aid from Russia. Jake Sullivan, White House national security adviser, is scheduled to meet Monday in Rome with Yang Jiechi, a member of the Chinese Communist Party’s elite Politburo and director of the party’s Central Foreign Affairs Commission.

Sullivan intends to warn Yang about any future Chinese efforts to bolster Russia in its war or undercut Ukraine, the United States and their partners.

“We are communicating directly, privately to Beijing, that there will absolutely be consequences for large-scale sanctions evasion efforts or support to Russia to backfill them,” Sullivan said on CNN on Sunday.

“We will not allow that to go forward and allow there to be a lifeline to Russia from these economic sanctions from any country, anywhere in the world,” he said.

Sullivan did not make any explicit mention of potential military support from China, but other U.S. officials spoke about the request from Russia on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of diplomatic and intelligence matters.
A Ukrainian soldier holds an anti-tank weapon used to destroy a Russian armored personal carrier in Irpin, north of Kyiv, on Saturday. | AFP-JIJIA Ukrainian soldier holds an anti-tank weapon used to destroy a Russian armored personal carrier in Irpin, north of Kyiv, on Saturday. | AFP-JIJI

Liu Pengyu, a spokesperson for the Chinese Embassy in Washington, said he had never heard of the request from Russia. “The current situation in Ukraine is indeed disconcerting,” he said, adding that Beijing wants to see a peaceful settlement. “The high priority now is to prevent the tense situation from escalating or even getting out of control.”

The Biden administration is seeking to lay out for China the consequences of its alignment with Russia and penalties it will incur if it continues or increases its support. Some U.S. officials argue it might be possible to dissuade Beijing from ramping up its assistance to Moscow. Chinese leaders may be content to offer rhetorical support for Moscow and may not want to further enmesh themselves with Putin by providing military support for the war, those U.S. officials say.

Sullivan said China “was aware before the invasion took place that Vladimir Putin was planning something,” but added that the Chinese might not have known the full extent of the Russian leader’s plans. “It’s very possible that Putin lied to them, the same way he lied to Europeans and others,” he said.

Xi has met with Putin 38 times as national leaders, more than with any other head of state, and the two share a drive to weaken American power.

Traditionally, China has bought military equipment from Russia rather than the other way around. Russia has increased its sales of weaponry to China in recent years. But China has advanced missile and drone capabilities that Russia could use in its Ukraine campaign.

Although Russia on Sunday launched a missile barrage on a military training ground in western Ukraine that killed at least 35 people, there has been some evidence that Russian missile supplies have been running low, according to independent analysts.

Last week, the White House criticized China for helping spread Kremlin disinformation about the United States and Ukraine. In recent days, Chinese diplomats, state media organizations and government agencies have used a range of platforms and official social media accounts to amplify a conspiracy theory that says the Pentagon has been financing biological and chemical weapons labs in Ukraine. Rightwing political figures in the United States have also promoted the theory.

Jake Sullivan | REUTERSJake Sullivan | REUTERS

On Friday, Russia called a United Nations Security Council meeting to present its claims about the labs, and the Chinese ambassador to the U.N., Zhang Jun, supported his Russian counterpart.
“Now that Russia has made these false claims, and China has seemingly endorsed this propaganda, we should all be on the lookout for Russia to possibly use chemical or biological weapons in Ukraine, or to create a false flag operation using them,” Jen Psaki, the White House press secretary, wrote on Twitter Wednesday.

China is also involved in the Iran nuclear negotiations, which have stalled because of new demands from Russia on relief from the sanctions imposed by Western nations in response to the Ukraine war.

American officials are trying to determine to what degree China would support Russia’s position in those talks. Before Russia raised the requests, officials from the nations involved had been close to clinching a return to a version of the Obama-era nuclear limits agreement from which Donald Trump withdrew. Sullivan might bring up Iran with Yang on Monday.

Current and former U.S. officials say the Rome meeting is important given the lives at stake in the Ukraine war and the possibility of Russia and China presenting a geopolitical united front against the United States and its allies in the years ahead.

“This meeting is critical and possibly a defining moment in the relationship,” said Evan Medeiros, a Georgetown University professor who was a senior Asia director on the National Security Council during the Obama administration. “I think what the U.S. is probably going to do is lay out the costs and consequences of China’s complicity and possible enabling of Russia’s invasion. I don’t think anyone in the administration has illusions that the U.S. can pull China away from Russia.”

Some U.S. officials are looking for ways to compel Xi to distance himself from Putin on the war. Others see Xi as a lost cause and prefer to treat China and Russia as committed partners, hoping that might galvanize policies and coordination among Asian and European allies to contain them both.

Chinese officials have consistently voiced sympathy for Russia during the Ukraine war by reiterating Putin’s criticism of NATO and blaming the United States for starting the conflict. They have refrained from any mention of a Russian “war” or “invasion,” even as they express general concern for the humanitarian crisis.

They mention support for “sovereignty and territorial integrity,” a common catchphrase in Chinese diplomacy, but do not say explicitly which nation’s sovereignty they support — meaning the phrase could be interpreted as backing for Ukraine or an endorsement of Putin’s claims to restoring the territory of imperial Russia.

China and Russia issued a 5,000-word statement Feb. 4 saying their partnership had “no limits” when Putin met with Xi before the opening ceremony of the Winter Olympics in Beijing. Around that time, senior Chinese officials asked senior Russian officials not to invade Ukraine before the end of the Games, according to U.S. and European officials who cite a Western intelligence report.

Starting in November, American officials quietly held talks with Chinese officials, including the ambassador in Washington and the foreign minister, to discuss intelligence showing Putin’s troop buildup to persuade the Chinese to tell the Russians not to launch a war, U.S. officials said. The Chinese officials rebuffed the Americans at every meeting and expressed skepticism that Putin intended to invade Ukraine, the U.S. officials said.
Chinese leader Xi Jinping and Russian President Vladimir Putin leave after a session of the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum in the Russian city in June 2019. | REUTERSChinese leader Xi Jinping and Russian President Vladimir Putin leave after a session of the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum in the Russian city in June 2019. | REUTERS

CIA Director William Burns said Thursday in a Senate hearing that he believed Xi was “unsettled” by the Ukraine war.

On Tuesday, Xi repeated China’s standard talking points on the war in a video call with the leaders of France and Germany. He also said that all nations should show “maximum restraint” and that China was “deeply grieved by the outbreak of war again on the European continent,” according to a Chinese readout. He did not say Russia had started the fighting.

U.S. and European officials say large Chinese companies will most likely refrain from openly violating sanctions on Russia for fear of jeopardizing their global commerce. On Thursday, some Russian news articles and commentary questioned China’s commitment to Russia after news agencies reported that China was refusing to send aircraft parts to the country.

Russia, as U.S. officials often remind the public, has relatively few friends or allies. And officials have said Russia’s outreach to its partners is a sign of the difficulties it is encountering trying to subdue Ukraine.

As the United States and Europe have increased pressure and sanctions, Moscow has sought more aid.

In the buildup to war, Russia got assistance from Belarus, using its territory to launch part of the invasion. Minsk has also tried to help Moscow evade sanctions. Those actions prompted the European Union to impose sanctions on Belarus. The penalties would limit money flowing into Belarus from Europe and block some Belarusian banks from using the SWIFT financial messaging system.

Michael Carpenter, U.S. ambassador to the OSCE, accused Belarus of being a “co-aggressor” and having “stabbed your neighbor in the back,” referring to Ukraine.

Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko has said his military will not join in the war. But Russia has launched missiles from Belarus and evacuated some injured Russian soldiers to hospitals in that country.

Syrian President Bashar Assad, who owes his government’s survival to Russian intervention in the Syrian civil war, also declared support for Moscow’s invasion. Russia has tried to recruit Syrian fighters to join the Ukraine war, according to the Pentagon.

Although there are no details of how many recruits Moscow has enlisted or if they have arrived in Ukraine, American officials said it was an indicator of the strategic and tactical problems that have plagued Russian commanders.

Before the start of the war, European officials said, Russian military contractors with experience fighting in Syria and Libya secretly entered eastern Ukraine to help lay the groundwork for the invasion.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/03/14/asia-pacific/china-aid-russia-ukraine/

I think maintaining normal economic and trade relations with China is enough for Russia.
 
In fact, relations between China and Ukraine are better than with Russia in some degree. China is Ukraine's largest trading partner. 42% of Ukraine's iron ore and 30% of its wheat are exported to China. However, China did not open up Russian wheat imports before. Because the war between Russia and Ukraine will affect China's imports of wheat from Ukraine, China has opened up imports of Russian wheat and other countries' wheat.

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So if China is going to get the bad rep regardless of what they do or won't do, what's the point of supporting the west then..? Once this Ukraine debacle is over, the West will simply double down on China... Pressure on China regarding Xinjiang, Tibet, HK, Taiwan, etc will only increase from then on... even more if Ukraine / the West "won" against Russia...
It depends on China.

Tell us...Why would you want to be with a loser? I will deviate into the military realm for a bit.

There is no doubt by now that Russia's military failed in Ukraine. Am not saying failed in the sense that the Russian Army is defeated, but that Ukraine should have been taken by the end of the first week given the overall numerical superiority of the Russian military. So right now, the PLA leadership is mouth agape at what is going on in Ukraine. Shocked, I would say, and not in the positive sense.

Any new war will gain attention from the world's global militaries. Everyone want to know "What is new?", meaning are the combatants using anything new and/or doing anything new. The last time anything revolutionary new was in Desert Storm. In DS, we had new technology with the F-117 low radar observability hitting precisely with new bomb guidance technology. We had new technology called GPS that was enabled in just about every aspect of DS. In short, Desert Storm introduced a new form of warfighting that battles and combat will never revert to the old ways. Take GPS, for example. After DS, every military went out of their ways to introduce GPS into their doctrines.

A new Desert Storm is what China expected from Russia and Russia failed. Russia is a loser. Not against Ukraine but against the US. Xi asked Poutine to wait until the Olympics was over before Russia attack Ukraine. Saying 'asked' is being kind when in reality, Russia is China's b!tch and Xi ORDERED Poutine to wait. Xi committed China to buy assorted Russia's economic goods on the assumption that Poutine will make short work of Ukraine. But Russia's military failed. To Xi, the Russian military failed him, not Poutine. So now, China is forced to return to Desert Storm where Xi believes, wrongly or rightly, that the PLA cannot replicate and improved upon. The operative word here is 'improved' because technology has improved since then. China was looking for Russia to have new technology and use them in new ways like how the US did. But Russia failed. The PLA have no combat experience sine 1979 and the veterans of that border war are gone, and China have not been innovative in the arts and crafts of war for over 300 yrs. In sum, Xi bet China on Russia and Poutine failed.

So what benefits are there to hang around with a loser? China can still play the fields, one with Russia to buy up as much as Russia is willing to sell due to a sinking economy, then another by distancing China from Russia to minimize the moral taint of immorally starting a war, meaning the immorality was Russia and China was splashed with Urkainian blood. Better to have an arm's length of purely economic relationship with Russia. There is no gain in being a moral ally with Russia but there will be benefits in being ostensibly neutral with Russia.

So all these chatter about China being Russia's friend is geopolitical nonsense. The EU and the US are better choices.

 
US is also pulling out all stops to build an "Asian Nato" cause it is increasingly difficult for US to handle China alone in this region

China vs US military strength in Asia-Pacific region by 2025

If Russia can handle and contain EU then China will have no issue handling US.. US is very highly dependent on proxies and terrorist and China can easily nutralize these threats.
 
its a no-brainer actually...russia wudnt want to start ww3 without a solid ally.
 
What if China also warns us and EU not to take side with Ukraine?

US is also pulling out all stops to build an "Asian Nato" cause it is increasingly difficult for US to handle China alone in this region

China vs US military strength in Asia-Pacific region by 2025

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What about their best South Asian lappy India, against China 😜?
 
It depends on China.

Tell us...Why would you want to be with a loser? I will deviate into the military realm for a bit.

There is no doubt by now that Russia's military failed in Ukraine. Am not saying failed in the sense that the Russian Army is defeated, but that Ukraine should have been taken by the end of the first week given the overall numerical superiority of the Russian military. So right now, the PLA leadership is mouth agape at what is going on in Ukraine. Shocked, I would say, and not in the positive sense.

Any new war will gain attention from the world's global militaries. Everyone want to know "What is new?", meaning are the combatants using anything new and/or doing anything new. The last time anything revolutionary new was in Desert Storm. In DS, we had new technology with the F-117 low radar observability hitting precisely with new bomb guidance technology. We had new technology called GPS that was enabled in just about every aspect of DS. In short, Desert Storm introduced a new form of warfighting that battles and combat will never revert to the old ways. Take GPS, for example. After DS, every military went out of their ways to introduce GPS into their doctrines.

A new Desert Storm is what China expected from Russia and Russia failed. Russia is a loser. Not against Ukraine but against the US. Xi asked Poutine to wait until the Olympics was over before Russia attack Ukraine. Saying 'asked' is being kind when in reality, Russia is China's b!tch and Xi ORDERED Poutine to wait. Xi committed China to buy assorted Russia's economic goods on the assumption that Poutine will make short work of Ukraine. But Russia's military failed. To Xi, the Russian military failed him, not Poutine. So now, China is forced to return to Desert Storm where Xi believes, wrongly or rightly, that the PLA cannot replicate and improved upon. The operative word here is 'improved' because technology has improved since then. China was looking for Russia to have new technology and use them in new ways like how the US did. But Russia failed. The PLA have no combat experience sine 1979 and the veterans of that border war are gone, and China have not been innovative in the arts and crafts of war for over 300 yrs. In sum, Xi bet China on Russia and Poutine failed.

So what benefits are there to hang around with a loser? China can still play the fields, one with Russia to buy up as much as Russia is willing to sell due to a sinking economy, then another by distancing China from Russia to minimize the moral taint of immorally starting a war, meaning the immorality was Russia and China was splashed with Urkainian blood. Better to have an arm's length of purely economic relationship with Russia. There is no gain in being a moral ally with Russia but there will be benefits in being ostensibly neutral with Russia.

So all these chatter about China being Russia's friend is geopolitical nonsense. The EU and the US are better choices.
Because if Russia falls, WE ARE NEXT. Russia must never fall to maintain a multipolar world. We will need to arm Russia clandestinely, Chinese drones will need to be painted with Russian words. Create some company to smuggle it in and of we get caught, blame it on a rogue company. Lolol. I am sure we know how to do it.
 
Because if Russia falls, WE ARE NEXT. Russia must never fall to maintain a multipolar world. We will need to arm Russia clandestinely, Chinese drones will need to be painted with Russian words. Create some company to smuggle it in and of we get caught, blame it on a rogue company. Lolol. I am sure we know how to do it.
Aaahhh...Russia just failed. Poutine is just too drunk with power to recognize it and the Russian people, for the moment, is just too oppressed to resist effectively. But no matter how much natural gas Russia sells to Europe, Russia is a failed state.

What if China also warns us and EU not to take side with Ukraine?
Are you serious with that question?
 
It depends on China.

Tell us...Why would you want to be with a loser? I will deviate into the military realm for a bit.

There is no doubt by now that Russia's military failed in Ukraine. Am not saying failed in the sense that the Russian Army is defeated, but that Ukraine should have been taken by the end of the first week given the overall numerical superiority of the Russian military. So right now, the PLA leadership is mouth agape at what is going on in Ukraine. Shocked, I would say, and not in the positive sense.

Any new war will gain attention from the world's global militaries. Everyone want to know "What is new?", meaning are the combatants using anything new and/or doing anything new. The last time anything revolutionary new was in Desert Storm. In DS, we had new technology with the F-117 low radar observability hitting precisely with new bomb guidance technology. We had new technology called GPS that was enabled in just about every aspect of DS. In short, Desert Storm introduced a new form of warfighting that battles and combat will never revert to the old ways. Take GPS, for example. After DS, every military went out of their ways to introduce GPS into their doctrines.

A new Desert Storm is what China expected from Russia and Russia failed. Russia is a loser. Not against Ukraine but against the US. Xi asked Poutine to wait until the Olympics was over before Russia attack Ukraine. Saying 'asked' is being kind when in reality, Russia is China's b!tch and Xi ORDERED Poutine to wait. Xi committed China to buy assorted Russia's economic goods on the assumption that Poutine will make short work of Ukraine. But Russia's military failed. To Xi, the Russian military failed him, not Poutine. So now, China is forced to return to Desert Storm where Xi believes, wrongly or rightly, that the PLA cannot replicate and improved upon. The operative word here is 'improved' because technology has improved since then. China was looking for Russia to have new technology and use them in new ways like how the US did. But Russia failed. The PLA have no combat experience sine 1979 and the veterans of that border war are gone, and China have not been innovative in the arts and crafts of war for over 300 yrs. In sum, Xi bet China on Russia and Poutine failed.

So what benefits are there to hang around with a loser? China can still play the fields, one with Russia to buy up as much as Russia is willing to sell due to a sinking economy, then another by distancing China from Russia to minimize the moral taint of immorally starting a war, meaning the immorality was Russia and China was splashed with Urkainian blood. Better to have an arm's length of purely economic relationship with Russia. There is no gain in being a moral ally with Russia but there will be benefits in being ostensibly neutral with Russia.

So all these chatter about China being Russia's friend is geopolitical nonsense. The EU and the US are better choices.
How long did it take the mighty USA army to defeat and occupy a small weak and backward country named IRAQ in the Iraq war starting from first attack ? It took USA army more than a month to accomplish the task. You expect Russia to completely overrun a relatively large strong advanced country compared to Iraq in just a week not counting the fact that Russian army has real hold back of bombing and attacking Ukraine civilian populations, unlike you Yankee army that bombed and attacked Iraqi populations without any hold back to achieve your goal.
 
Aaahhh...Russia just failed. Poutine is just too drunk with power to recognize it and the Russian people, for the moment, is just too oppressed to resist effectively. But no matter how much natural gas Russia sells to Europe, Russia is a failed state.


Are you serious with that question?
Just failed? Check the map jose, most cities encircled, Ukraine pounded to Ash, coastal areas covered and now going to the west, all the while the Ukrainian forces are tied down in the cities.

We will give them weapons clandestinely, we will be their MIC, not even America can outproduce us mate, wanna try. First try to make face mask and testing kits. Lol

Economically they might be weakened, but a new Eurasian trading block has just emerged with Rmb at its core.
 
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