Russia asked China for military and economic aid for Ukraine war, U.S. officials say

[beijingwalker]

Alliances are %90 smart thing to do.

So maybe China should seek alliance with Russia, Russia alone can beat all US puppy allies hands down.

 

[kankan326]

Your semicon industry does. Big time.

US has already used semiconductor card to China.

 

[IblinI]

bullshit.

 

[gambit]

So maybe China should seek alliance with Russia, Russia alone can beat all US puppy allies hands down.

The US and allies WANT a Russo-Sino alliance. Whether Russia withdraw from Ukraine or end up occupying Ukraine, Russia's economy WILL decline. Your China may or may not help, but let us assume help for now. China can either respond to whichever sector of the Russian economy that is about to collapse or go all in and inject a lot of money at one time to try to shore up the entire economy. Both paths will be a burden on China. This is not counting the inevitable slow sanctions coming China's way.

As for the Russian military, if the rumor is true that Poutine fired eight generals, it means the Russian military is truly a failure and it will take yrs to rebuild, if it is possible to rebuild at all at a time when the Russian economy is on the downturn. The worst will be the human factor and this is one part of the Russian military China cannot help. Russian soldiers, airmen, and sailors morale will sink to the bottom. Desertions will be frequent. The Russian military do not have a strong NCO corps in the first place. That leave young and demoralized officers trying to keep this ship afloat by bailing and not patching.

So yes, please, instead of just making an assortment of trade treaties here and there, do make a formal alliance with a failing Russia.

 

[Clutch]

US will try to convince China not to supply arms to Russia at key Rome meeting​

Reports Moscow asked China to provide military equipment come ahead of talks the White House views as critically important for global balance of power

China has so far not condemned the Russian invasion or the mass killings of civilians in Ukraine Photograph: Alexei Druzhinin/AP

Julian Borger in Washington
Mon 14 Mar 2022 02.33 GMT

The United States will try to persuade China not to supply arms to Russia at a high-level meeting in Rome which the White House sees as critically important not just for the war in Ukraine but also for the future of the global balance of power.

Jake Sullivan, the US national security adviser, will meet his Chinese counterpart, Yang Jiechi, in the Italian capital amid reports that Russia has asked China for weapons to bolster its faltering invasion of Ukraine.

Sullivan will point out that the US briefed Beijing on Vladimir Putin’s intentions months ahead of the invasion, but that the Chinese leadership ignored those warnings, mistakenly believing that Putin was bluffing to gain leverage, according to sources familiar with plans for the Rome meeting. Sullivan will also argue that if China supplies weapons to Moscow it will be a further, historic mistake, and a turning point in global politics.
The Biden White House is anxious to prevent the Ukraine war further cementing a division of the world into two opposing blocs.

Sullivan and Yang will also follow up on agreements Joe Biden and Xi Jinping made in a virtual summit in November, to improve crisis communications between the two nuclear powers.

“We also are watching closely to see the extent to which China actually does provide any form of support – material support or economic support – to Russia,” Sullivan told CNN. “It is a concern of ours. And we have communicated to Beijing that we will not stand by and allow any country to compensate Russia for its losses from the economic sanctions.”

Sullivan said the US had made clear to Beijing that there would “absolutely be consequences” for “large-scale” efforts to help Russia sidestep sanctions.

Russia has also asked China for economic help as it faces severe western sanctions, but Sullivan told CNN the US was “communicating directly, privately to Beijing that there will absolutely be consequences” if China helps Russia evade sanctions.

The Financial Times, New York Times and Washington Post reported on Sunday about the Russian request for weapons, amid claims from US officials that the Russian military was running short on certain kinds of armaments.

The spokesperson for the US embassy in Washington, Liu Pengyu, told CNN he had “never heard” of the Russian arms requests.

“The current situation in Ukraine is indeed disconcerting,” he said in a statement. “The high priority now is to prevent the tense situation from escalating or even getting out of control.”
“It feels like the US-China relationship is moving toward a pretty significant fork,” Ryan Hass, former China director at the US national security council, said on Twitter. “If China materially contributes to Russia’s war machine in Ukraine through provision of materiel or significant backfilling, then China’s actions will accelerate the cleavage of the world in direction of adversarial blocs.

“It’s wise for the US to speak directly and privately with the Chinese at an authoritative level now to clarify the lasting strategic ramifications of China’s decisions in this moment.”

China has so far not condemned the Russian invasion or the mass killings of civilians in bombardments of Ukrainian towns, and has abstained on resolutions deploring the attack at the UN security council and general assembly. Xi last week called for “maximum restraint” in Ukraine after a virtual meeting with German chancellor Olaf Scholz and French president Emmanuel Macron, and said he was “pained to see the flames of war reignited in Europe”.

Xi also expressed concern about the impact of sanctions on the global economy, and the limitation that western sanctions are imposing on China’s ability to buy Russian oil.

Hass, now a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, said he did not expect to see any immediate breakthroughs at the Rome meeting.

“The results may take weeks or longer to come into focus,” he said. “Neither side likely to provide other with satisfaction. Outcomes may need to be measured in degrees, not black-white binaries.”

US urged China not to supply arms to Russia at ‘intense’ Rome meeting

China had denounced reports that Moscow asked for military equipment as ‘malicious disinformation’

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Hopefully China is wise enough not to fall for the classical Western playbook of Divide and Rule. Because after the Russians, the West is coming for China (trap Taiwan).

Only Muslims fall this trap over and over and over and over and over again...

 

[kankan326]

The US and allies WANT a Russo-Sino alliance. Whether Russia withdraw from Ukraine or end up occupying Ukraine, Russia's economy WILL decline. Your China may or may not help, but let us assume help for now. China can either respond to whichever sector of the Russian economy that is about to collapse or go all in and inject a lot of money at one time to try to shore up the entire economy. Both paths will be a burden on China. This is not counting the inevitable slow sanctions coming China's way.

As for the Russian military, if the rumor is true that Poutine fired eight generals, it means the Russian military is truly a failure and it will take yrs to rebuild, if it is possible to rebuild at all at a time when the Russian economy is on the downturn. The worst will be the human factor and this is one part of the Russian military China cannot help. Russian soldiers, airmen, and sailors morale will sink to the bottom. Desertions will be frequent. The Russian military do not have a strong NCO corps in the first place. That leave young and demoralized officers trying to keep this ship afloat by bailing and not patching.

So yes, please, instead of just making an assortment of trade treaties here and there, do make a formal alliance with a failing Russia.

I don't see China and Russia economic cooperation will be a burnden on China. Russia has infinite natural resources. It will be mutually beneficial.

I personally don't think EU will have a bright future. It lags behind in almost every new industry. China will grab EU's market in traditional mechanical products. Japan is similar to EU too.

US' allies are getting old.

 

[chinasun]

Military alliance is not in line with the world trend, and the people of the world want peace and development. People don't want to go back to the Cold War. China will not form a military alliance either. Relations with Russia will only stop at the last step. Unless there is a world war.

 

[gambit]

Hopefully China is wise enough not to fall for the classical Western playbook of Divide and Rule. Because after the Russians, the West is coming for China (trap Taiwan).

Only Muslims fall this trap over and over and over and over and over again...

China will not be suckered into Russia's failure? China is one foot in.

Here is my prediction...And I have NO problems with being proved wrong.

There will be short occupation of Ukraine. It will be short because daily Ukraine will suck millions from Russia. Whether Poutine is a victim of a coup or pressured out or even remain in power, Russia will lo$e anyway. After the withdrawal, the EU will move in to rebuild Ukraine with Poland, a NATO member, being Ukraine's 'most favored' trade partner because there is no denying how Poland helped Ukrainian refugees. With Poland being held in Ukraine's high esteem, so will NATO. But there is no need for NATO membership for Ukraine. The EU does have a mutual defense clause and with Ukraine in the EU, Ukraine will be indirectly a NATO member. China seeing the money in rebuilding Ukraine, will part ways with Russia, essentially screwing Russia over, and will try to get a slice of the Ukraine rebuild financial pie.

 

[GumNaam]

oh hey it's edward wang again, ain't this one of those same looneys that have been claiming that China will breakup every year for the last twenty years?

 

[gambit]

Did the US / West offer any carrots to China for not supporting Russia..? Or did they simply threaten China with bigger sticks..? I mean even today China is already heavily sanctioned by the US... Any offers at all to remove some or all of these sanctions if China complies with the US request...?

As of now, no concessions are necessary. China started the slow walk away from Russia last week.

As the war continues, images of destroyed Ukrainian cities will be published all over the world. The peoples of Australia, JPN, SKR, Taiwan, and Singapore will mentally substitute in their cities, and if you think that will make them move closer to China, you are as mistaken as Poutine when he started the war. Instead, JPN, SKR, Taiwan, Australia, and Singapore will be frightened enough that they will move closer to the US. China's quick tongue kiss of Russia impressed Asia that there is no telling what China will do. SKR recently elected president Yoon Suk-Yeol is a conservative and he want a closer relationship with the US. Now that he seen those images of devastation of Ukraine by China's new love Russia, looks like the American THAAD air defense missile system is back on the menu for SKR.

 

[LeGenD]

China should ask for total arms embargo on both Ukraine and Russia.

Russia = aggressor party
Ukraine = defending party

Situation of both countries is different. Ukraine should be provided humanitarian assistance and arms to defend itself.

 

[etylo]

Nobody believes what the Yankees say, they are bunch of pathetic shameless liars especially when come to China and Russia. The Yankees lied big on Vietnam war, Iraq war, Libya war, Syria war and now on the fabricated Chinese genocide in Xinjiang.

 

[xuxu1457]

U.S. officials say

The United States just wants to demonize China and drag China into it by the way. China has only provided humanitarian aid to Ukraine and has not provided any weapons to Russia and Ukraine.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

China knows exactly what game the US is playing. Didn't they try the same thing over Myanmar?

China won't be trapped so easily.

Now Jake Sullivan, Biden National Security Advisor requested a meeting with China FM Minister Yang after making his silly threat.

 

[beijingwalker]

The US and allies WANT a Russo-Sino alliance. Whether Russia withdraw from Ukraine or end up occupying Ukraine, Russia's economy WILL decline. Your China may or may not help, but let us assume help for now. China can either respond to whichever sector of the Russian economy that is about to collapse or go all in and inject a lot of money at one time to try to shore up the entire economy. Both paths will be a burden on China. This is not counting the inevitable slow sanctions coming China's way.

As for the Russian military, if the rumor is true that Poutine fired eight generals, it means the Russian military is truly a failure and it will take yrs to rebuild, if it is possible to rebuild at all at a time when the Russian economy is on the downturn. The worst will be the human factor and this is one part of the Russian military China cannot help. Russian soldiers, airmen, and sailors morale will sink to the bottom. Desertions will be frequent. The Russian military do not have a strong NCO corps in the first place. That leave young and demoralized officers trying to keep this ship afloat by bailing and not patching.

So yes, please, instead of just making an assortment of trade treaties here and there, do make a formal alliance with a failing Russia.

LOL , A whole piece of personal wishful thinking, we'll see. for short term impact, we'll see how Europe get through next winter.