Runner brings locally-made, US-powered motorbikes

[UKBengali]

Whatever you close off and insulate (fridges and TVs), Walton has a chance.

Whatever you leave open (like the deals signed with India for trade in the 80s and 90s regarding transport sector), its gets dominated and rightfully so.



"Manufacture"? Yours is simply assembly as well. No one really gave you a package deal given your market is tiny so that leaves buffer (insulation by virtue of poor market size) for Walton. World leader Samsung just not interested (and they certainly aren't Chinese...so there goes your Chinese kit assertion given Samsung assembles in India):

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...capacity-at-main-indian-factory-idUSKBN18Y277

Walton is simply going to sell a tiny amount given BD is terribly poor and underdeveloped.

I mean the smartphone market of both countries tells enough:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_smartphone_penetration

300 million versus 8.5 million (Check Global Mobile Market Report, April 2017 if you want to verify)

Thats like 5 times more per capita in India.

1. India had 100% market share in motorcycles 10 years ago and going down from current 70% as we speak. Indian companies are rubbish compared to Walton.
2. Walton makes everything apart from Android OS, SOC, caméra and memory. If Walton assembles phones, then so does HTC!

This butt-hurt must be really painful.

 

[Bilal9]

1. India had 100% market share in motorcycles 10 years ago and going down from current 70% as we speak. Indian companies are rubbish compared to Walton.
2. Walton makes everything apart from Android OS, SOC, caméra and memory. If Walton assembles phones, then so does HTC!

This butt-hurt must be really painful.

How could Bharat be second best? Only an inkling of things to come.

All mainstream Indian products will be replaced by local ones. Pan Gurkha and Hajmola not included.

Runner's premium offering Knight Rider 150cc is strategically priced just below TVS Apache 160 and Bajaj Pulsar 150 and 160.
But they still couldn't beat Hero's Xtreme 150cc in pricing because of Hero's large production scale.

So in the end, a customer looking for 150-160cc bikes will in the end pick one of the Bajaj, TVS, Hero.

But good luck on the 100cc and lower bikes, where again, Bajaj and Hero has cheaper offers.
You just can't beat Hero offerings in that category.
BD needs to go cheaper for any chance.

Well - on the one hand Indian manufacturers have economy of scale from Indian market.

But Bangladeshi manufacturers,

1. Are far more nimble and agile (faster reaction to market due to local connections)
2. Know how to source cheaper Chinese components if needed,
3. Have a far lower cost structure including labor cost, and finally,
4. Have production costs that will go even lower as adjunct production efficiencies are further realized (still new)

Indian products,

1. Have higher labor costs (twice as much in these technical scenarios).
2. Suffer from Bureaucratic red tape and impediments in India for transport/exports
3. Use higher cost Indian components compared to Chinese.
4. Don't have the advantage of being really 'local' (even though assembled locally by local companies).
5. Have a stigma locally of "being sourced from India" irrespective of quality. Every malfeasance conducted by BSF, by the RSS and Hindu communal idiots in India will cut into Indian product sales as a direct consequence. This is reality. Go ask any Bangladeshi on the street what they think of Indian products (as advertised vs. actual quality).

So yes - we will see where sales go of Indian products once local options are available more and more.

 

[Nilgiri]

1. India had 100% market share in motorcycles 10 years ago and going down from current 70% as we speak. Indian companies are rubbish compared to Walton.
2. Walton makes everything apart from Android OS, SOC, caméra and memory. If Walton assembles phones, then so does HTC!

This butt-hurt must be really painful.

Its more or less stabilised now at a still dominant market share.

Easy to verify with the Bangladesh youtube motorcycle fan base.

Or simply wait for the next market analysis snapshot ...or the trade deficit numbers right on cue....combined with continued non-release of Walton finance data.

Is this what the Indian life style is? I am surprised to see the pictures. Is it correct that India collected these junks from its extravagant Mars expedition showcase supported by European money? the top picture elaborates how the new generation Indians make a honeymoon ride. @Nilgiri

Is the butthole Bangladesh video on youtube an accurate one of complete picture?

What about the open defecation in Tejgaon slum one?

And the videos the handful of foreign tourists make about Bangladesh ...esp that wonderful Dhaka airport

 

[Bilal9]

So that inferiority-complex ridden kalagiri doesn't even realize the Dayang bikes are manufactured by Runner group in Bangladesh but sell them under Dayang brand.

Moreover, the idiot even fail to realize that market share of Indian bikes has fell from almost 100% to less than 70% within 7-8 years as the local motorcycle manufacturing is taking shape at a rapid pace. Needless to say, their marketshare will fall even further as we all know the quality of 'Made in India' products.

Absolutely! Butthurt to the extreme...

Look at the video - where they have sheet metal pressing, punching, metal forming, corrosion treatment and component manufacture to the most basic level. I think some parts may still be imported, but with volume, there will be backward linkage suppliers formed or moving in locally. This was bound to happen with increase of production volume and is happening. The production details start at 2:00.

Runner's premium offering Knight Rider 150cc is strategically priced just below TVS Apache 160 and Bajaj Pulsar 150 and 160.
But they still couldn't beat Hero's Xtreme 150cc in pricing because of Hero's large production scale.

So in the end, a customer looking for 150-160cc bikes will in the end pick one of the Bajaj, TVS, Hero.

But good luck on the 100cc and lower bikes, where again, Bajaj and Hero has cheaper offers.
You just can't beat Hero offerings in that category.
BD needs to go cheaper for any chance.

You do realize these are basic retail pricing from Runner?

Which leaves room for very deep discounts at dealer level?

Hero copied their technology for all bikes from Honda and 'Indianized' ('cheapened' meaning substituted lower quality components for) the bikes for 'Indian' conditions meaning bad roads and low pricing. Since then improvements have taken place, but basic bike technology is really not all that sophisticated in a 100cc bike.

In the end - look at some factors.

1. Bangladeshis selling cheaper bikes for lower end market is not a bad thing in Nepal, that's where majority (more than 80%) of the bike market is in South Asia (including Nepal). Bangladeshis are under no delusion that we will be able to sell Ducatis and Aprilias in Nepal. Selling superbikes in countries like India can happen, but the numbers don't add up to a heck of a lot of profit, even in a closed market like India. Forget about Nepal.
2. Hero being reliable is just a temporary phenomenon. Eventually all brands will catch up with modification to designs as well as incremental improvements. What really matters right now is support from Dealer network and that will be ensured by Runner.
3. Indian bike makers can't beat our cost structure. Even with your economy of scale. Plus your red tape and bureaucracy adds costs we simply don't have in Bangladesh.
4. Long term offering of discounts to hold off lower end Bangladeshi bikes at 100cc and below will be deemed a money-losing effort by Indian bike-makers. You can't compete at the prices Runner can sustain.
5. Nepali folks aren't overly fond of Indians or Indian products given your history. If they have an alternative (like a Bangladeshi bike) they will go for it.

 

[Nilgiri]

• Bangladeshis selling cheaper bikes for lower end market is not a bad thing in Nepal, that's where majority (more than 80%) of the bike market is in South Asia (including Nepal). Bangladeshis are under no delusion that we will be able to sell Ducatis and Aprilias in Nepal. Selling superbikes in countries like India can happen, but the numbers don't add up to a heck of a lot of profit, even in a closed market like India. Forget about Nepal.

• Hero being reliable is just a temporary phenomenon. Eventually all brands will catch up with modification to designs as well as incremental improvements. What really matters right now is support from Dealer network and that will be ensured by Runner.

• Indian bike makers can't beat our cost structure. Even with your economy of scale. Plus your red tape and bureaucracy adds costs we simply don't have in Bangladesh.

• Long term offering of discounts to hold off lower end Bangladeshi bikes at 100cc and below will be deemed a money-losing effort by Indian bike-makers. You can't compete at the prices Runner can sustain.

• Nepali folks aren't overly fond of Indians or Indian products given your history. If they have an alternative (like a Bangladeshi bike) they will go for it.

LOL.....yet you still cant even get a decent % share of your OWN (malnourished but not as dead as before at least) market. Truly hillarious.....just like those walton projections you made in 2015....that never happened....zilch lol.

Just so you can have a little cry (ya know real life videos versus your durganda bang-bang LA cabbie dreams):

(Find me a "runner" aka Dayang review in Nepal please) from the super duper 500 a day (Dayang - imported) capacity kit assembly.

http://kathmandupost.ekantipur.com/...4/37-autos-538-bikes-sold-in-nepal-daily.html

Also funny that Nepal buys 13500 cars a year, compared to around 20,000 that Bangladesh....and Nepal buys around 200,000 2-wheelers compared to BD 250,000 (given BD has 6 times more people).

Always fun to see BD get dominated (again out there in real life video based away from the fantasy projection here) still:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bajaj+bangladesh

Oh and dont forget that market share again (which smacks flat the argument of "dayang and walton" having any iota of competitiveness inside BD much less outside) :

and this wonderful crying that failed because someone was mean to the BD cabbie bilal that day (probably asked him if hes linked to that subway failed bang - guy or something):

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/runn...owered-motorbikes.479239/page-3#post-10098415

like the BD annual floods

@Aung Zaya

Look at the video - where they have sheet metal pressing, punching, metal forming, corrosion treatment and component manufacture to the most basic level. I think some parts may still be imported, but with volume, there will be backward linkage suppliers formed or moving in locally. This was bound to happen with increase of production volume and is happening. The production details start at 2:00.

There is no real manufacturing anywhere in this video. No engines being made from scratch (all fully imported)...none of the wheel, brakes, main frame and bearings being made anywhere (you can even see the frames being delivered by forklift in the video pre-made by Dayang lol). You dont stamp a few pieces of metal (for fuel tank and a few fairings) and say you now are not doing basically what is CKD/SKD lol.

Find me one factory in the world that is sub 200,000 a year capacity (and severely underutilised given BD market share of 8% of 250k) that is not essentially CKD/SKD. Actually watch a REAL motorcyvle production plant video some time, and NOTE the differences.