RSS evagelists convert 43 Muslims in Uttar Pradesh to Hinduism

[Areesh]

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/musl...r-siblings-for-eloping-with-dalit-man.500332/

Muslims also drink alcohol and gamble. Both of which are not permissible in Islam. As I said there are no castes in Islam, I think I have made my point clear. these are ills of Indian muslims and not Islam. May be because of living with hindus for centuries muslims of India might have got these unIslamic practices in them.

A north Indian Urdu speaking Muslim always call a Hyderabadi Muslim as Madrasi. So, not alone Hindu caste/tribe system, many more prejudices. Muslims have less unity because most of them are not unitary in culture and race - As far as India is considered.

Islam's message is very clear when it comes to unity. No arab has any superiority over nonarab and no white has any superiority over any black.

I would say these are local bad practices of Indian muslims due to living with Hindus for centuries.

 

[Spring Onion]

A north Indian Urdu speaking Muslim always call a Hyderabadi Muslim as Madrasi. So, not alone Hindu caste/tribe system, many more prejudices. Muslims have less unity because most of them are not unitary in culture and race - As far as India is considered.

indian Muslit are the weakest in the world who cannot even raise voice for basic rights. look around Muslims in the smallest countries or even in the most tyrants ones like Israel are even more vibrant and determined as compared to indian Muslims.
it also a testimony to the fact that in a Hindu society which is also infested with cast division Muslims will loose identity.

 

[Hindustani78]

Islam's message is very clear when it comes to unity. No arab has any superiority over nonarab and no white has any superiority over any black.

I would say these are local bad practices of Indian muslims due to living with Hindus for centuries.

Actually the message of Islam was to condemn slavery as in that era slavery and colonization was the problem.

 

[Areesh]

Actually the message of Islam was to condemn slavery as in that era slavery and colonization was the problem.

Islam was for the oppressed and poor of the society. That is the reason the very first one to accept Islam were poor and oppressed of the society.

Indians should stop propagating lie of castes in Islam since message of Islam is very clear.

From Abi Nadrah: Someone who heard the sermon of the Messenger of Allah in the middle of the days of at-Tashriq narrated to me that he said, "O people! Indeed, your Lord is one and your father is one. Indeed, there is no superiority of an Arab over a non-Arab, nor of a non-Arab over an Arab, nor of a white over a black, nor a black over a white, except by taqwa. Have I conveyed the message?" They replied, "You have conveyed it, Messenger of Allah!" Then he said, "What day is this?" They replied, "A sacred day." Then he said, "What month is this?" They replied, "A sacred month." Then he said, "What city is this?" They replied, "A sacred city." He said, "Allah has made your blood and your property (the narrator said, 'I don't know if he said "and your honor" or not') as sacred as this day of yours, in this month of yours, in this city of yours. Have I conveyed the message?" They replied, "You have conveyed it, Messenger of Allah!" He said, "Let whomever is present tell whomever is absent."[12]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farewell_Sermon#cite_note-12

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farewell_Sermon

 

[Hindustani78]

Islam was for the oppressed and poor of the society. That is the reason the very first one to accept Islam were poor and oppressed of the society.

No, actually it for the betterment and liberation of people of Indus valley Civilization. Even in Vedas , slavery is not allowed .

Jesus Cleanses the Temple
14 In the temple courts He found men selling cattle, sheep, and doves, and money changers seated at their tables.

15 So He made a whip out of cords and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle. He poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.

16 To those selling doves He said, “Get these out of here! How dare you turn My Father’s house into a marketplace!”

 

[salarsikander]

This term is being used by those who were indulged in slavery and if this term is used again then it means that certain nations doesnt change themselves and Prophet Muhammed Pbuh have used the term Habashi and people of Indian nation specially the Marathas , Rajputs, Tamilians, Telugu tribes use the term Siddi and these people use to serve in armies of Indian nation and have fought the invaders .

Nit sure how is any of that relevant to what I am said. I went on to say that if there was such thinsg as Caste system, Then HAzrat Bilal would be considered for giving Azaan. Get the gist of what I am saying first

 

[takeiteasy]

I would say these are local bad practices of Indian muslims due to living with Hindus for centuries.

Indian Muslims are diverse and it's more like a mixture of class system and (Hindu) caste system that plays detrimental to them. Class system as in - the Turkic/Persian/Afghan origin and also Aryan Hindu converts wants to keep their blood pure as well as are the leaders. The local Hindu converts are more like average Hindu in temperament except that they visit Mosques and Dargahs.

 

[Hindustani78]

Nit sure how is any of that relevant to what I am said. I went on to say that if there was such thinsg as Caste system, Then HAzrat Bilal would be considered for giving Azaan. Get the gist of what I am saying first

Caste System of Indus Valley civilization and the present Indian nation is mainly based on the profession.

Siachen Martyr

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Hazrat Bilal ibn Rabah R.A.A , Born in 680CE in Makkah, to his slave parents — Rabah and Hamamah.

When the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) learned about his tribulation, he sent Abu Bakr, who bought him from the oppressor and freed him. The freedom was Islam’s first gift to Bilal. Second Caliph Omar ibn Khattab honored him by calling him as Sayyedna (our leader).

As he was the first African to embrace Islam, the African Muslims still feel pride of that honor, which was bestowed on an African.Hazrat Bilal ibn Rabah R.A.A was among Ashab Al-Suffa. The term, Ashab Al-Suffa, is a generic name given to the companions who stayed in the arbor, or veranda, next to the mosque of the Prophet (peace be upon him) in Madinah after the emigration and studied religious sciences there.

Bilal spent his last days in Syria. He died in 18 AH at the age of 64, and was buried at Bab-Al Sagheer near Jama Umavi in Damascus.

 

[salarsikander]

Caste System of Indus Valley civilization and the present Indian nation is mainly based on the profession.

Siachen Martyr

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Hazrat Bilal ibn Rabah R.A.A , Born in 680CE in Makkah, to his slave parents — Rabah and Hamamah.

When the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) learned about his tribulation, he sent Abu Bakr, who bought him from the oppressor and freed him. The freedom was Islam’s first gift to Bilal. Second Caliph Omar ibn Khattab honored him by calling him as Sayyedna (our leader).

As he was the first African to embrace Islam, the African Muslims still feel pride of that honor, which was bestowed on an African.Hazrat Bilal ibn Rabah R.A.A was among Ashab Al-Suffa. The term, Ashab Al-Suffa, is a generic name given to the companions who stayed in the arbor, or veranda, next to the mosque of the Prophet (peace be upon him) in Madinah after the emigration and studied religious sciences there.

Bilal spent his last days in Syria. He died in 18 AH at the age of 64, and was buried at Bab-Al Sagheer near Jama Umavi in Damascus.

WHat are you trying say here?

I didnt ask you to educate me on what I know. Last I read about dalits was A dalit is born to a Dalit not becuase he belongs to certain profession. Well I could care less as I am not part of that Culture

 

[Hindustani78]

WHat are you trying say here?

I didnt ask you to educate me on what I know. Last I read about dalits was A dalit is born to a Dalit not becuase he belongs to certain profession. Well I could care less as I am not part of that Culture

Actually you doesnt understand Indian tribal and clan system, Coming of British have been the real reason for so much PR against Indian civilization and Indian culture.

 

[salarsikander]

Coming of British have been the real reason for so much PR against Indian civilization and Indian culture.

Actually, it was the British who gave the Term hinduism after the war of independance, As well as the NAME India.

Though you're right about the caste system, it was actually altered in that era

 

[bhimram]

I have seen a minister and peon offering salah side by side! Can Brahmans allow shoodars/dalits to enter and pray in their temples?

99.99% temples you go to, you wouldn't even know the caste of other person.
Heck, I have seen muslims visiting temples and there is no objection.

 

[Hindustani78]

Actually, it was the British who gave the Term hinduism after the war of independance, As well as the NAME India.

Though you're right about the caste system, it was actually altered in that era

No. India meaning itself shows its linked to Indus Valley Civilization and even Hindush is ancient name of India and Arabs use term Hind for India.

99.99% temples you go to, you wouldn't even know the caste of other person.
Heck, I have seen muslims visiting temples and there is no objection.

 

[salarsikander]

use term Hind for India.

They reffered it to as India. Not that There was such thing as called india,. It was collection of loose states. This has been discussed to death at PDF. By the way the forbidding of traveling beyond the seas or sutte was that british alteration too ?

 

[Hindustani78]

They reffered it to as India. Not that There was such thing as called india,. It was collection of loose states. This has been discussed to death at PDF. By the way the forbidding of traveling beyond the seas or sutte was that british alteration too ?

You cant deny this that India is still the ancient surviving civilization.