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As of 2017 the most significant Saudi air force modernization effort remained unmentioned in public. Saudi Arabia is one of the world's leading military powers. In 2015 Saudi Arabia overtook Russia for third place in military spending, partially due to its engagement in the Yemen conflict and the depreciation of the Russian ruble. The Saudis will covet fifth-generation stealth fighters, the coin of the realm for air combat.

The United States will not sell the F-35 stealth fighter to the Saudis. At some point in the 2020 timeframe, Saudi Arabia will turn to China, which has previously supplied the Suadis with long-range ballistic missiles. China is perfectly willing to sell their J-31 Stealth Fighter, along with no complaints about Saudi human rights practices. China needs Saudi oil, and the Saudis need a major security partner, now that the United States has decided to withdraw from East of Suez.

Initially there were projections that the Saudis might acquire as many as 100 F-35 Joint Strike Fighters. This would have been in line with prior acquisitions of the F-15, even though the Israeli Air Force also operated the F-15. The Israeli F-15s had capabilities that the Saudi F-15s did not, preserving Israel’s qualitative military edge (QME). The US has no committment to preserve a Saudi qualitative military edge. In late 2015, the Obama Administration made numerous statements that Israel would be the only recipient of the F-35 in the region.

The United States had served as the primary arms provider for Saudi Arabia until Britain supplanted it in 1988. Following the Gulf War, however, the United States again emerged as Saudi Arabia’s primary arms supplier. In 1998 US military exports to Saudi Arabia totaled US$4.3 billion, making Saudi Arabia the leading importer of US military goods.

When questioned on what the likely effect of British arms sale to the Saudi Arabia would mean to US marketing efforts, US-Saudi relations and the Middle East military balance, Richard Armitage, Assistant Secretary of Defense answered 13 July 1988:

"In my view there are four principal outcomes resulting from the replacement of the U.S. by other suppliers in major arms transactions with moderate, pro-Western Arab states.



    • Israeli "worst case" contingency planning becomes complicated by the delivery and deployment of advanced systems (aircraft and missiles) over which the United States has no residual control in terms of basing, configuration, and follow-on support,
    • The United States loses political influence with moderate Arab states when a third party assumes the role of principal supplier of defense equipment,
    • US contingency planning, based as it is on the necessity of regional friends to take the lead in their own self-defense, becomes complicated by the loss of systems interzperability.
  1. The loss of income and jobs to U.S. industry and American labor is a gratuitous, self-inflicteI wound which has absolutely no compensatory aspects."
Experience demonstrated time and again that when the US. is unable to respond, other governments are more than ready and able to do so-—whether it be with British Tornado fighter bombers, which Saudi Arabia bought when it could not get additional US F-15 fighters, even without ground attack capability, or the Soviet handheld SA-7 and SA-l4 antiaircraft missiles supplied to certain Gulf states when the US was unwilling to provide portable antiaircraft weapons, such as the Stinger.

If the Saudi government asked to buy the F-35, the question facing the US would not be whether the Saudis would acquire such weapons systems, but from which country they would buy it, and which country would have a dominant position in the Saudi military planning for several decades. While the American technology is superior, the US does not have a monopoly on high technology. Both China and Russia would be eager to take the place of the US as the principal supplier to the Saudi military, a position that had already been seriously eroded in the past decades.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/gulf/f-35ksa.htm
 
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Royal Saudi Air Force F-35
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If the Saudi government asked to buy the F-35, the question facing the US would not be whether the Saudis would acquire such weapons systems, but from which country they would buy it, and which country would have a dominant position in the Saudi military planning for several decades. While the American technology is superior, the US does not have a monopoly on high technology. Both China and Russia would be eager to take the place of the US as the principal supplier to the Saudi military, a position that had already been seriously eroded in the past decades.

Remember we were talking about this, and how that potential $350B in ten years was a good bargaining position for Saudiya to get the F-35, considering the program was record setting in term of cost even by today's standards and the prospect of equipping Israel for a possible 50 units for practically free, even though they've participated in some of the design elements and some subsystems etc., still, you would think some (or maybe all) of the other JSF program members might have some issues being part of the burden of cost for those freebies, and considering not only are they financially involved in the program but have to fork out for a percentage from their own pockets for those free air frames, they would want some form of compensation in return. If Saudiya can easily pay for 75-100 units (no questions asked), it might be a very easily, convincing motivation to make the deal no matter the temper tantrum objection that would follow. That, and the fact that such a potential order of so many jets would easily lower the overall cost of each unit for the other members could make it possible. Go get 'em, Saudiya! :-)
 
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Remember we were talking about this, and how that potential $350B in ten years was a good bargaining position for Saudiya to get the F-35, considering the program was record setting in term of cost even by today's standards and the prospect of equipping Israel for a possible 50 units for practically free, even though they've participated in some of the design elements and some subsystems etc., still, you would think some (or maybe all) of the other JSF program members might have some issues being part of the burden of cost for those freebies, and considering not only are they financially involved in the program but have to fork out for a percentage from their own pockets for those free air frames, they would want some form of compensation in return. If Saudiya can easily pay for 75-100 units (no questions asked), it might be a very easily, convincing motivation to make the deal no matter the temper tantrum objection that would follow. That, and the fact that such a potential order of so many jets would easily lower the overall cost of each unit for the other members could make it possible. Go get 'em, Saudiya! :-)
And with Mr businessman Trump running the show..it is more than likely to happen.. and who knows he might start asking Usrael to pay for protection like he has done with everyone else..after all Usrael is making some good money with exports of weapons based on US tech..
 
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And with Mr businessman Trump running the show..it is more than likely to happen.. and who knows he might start asking Usrael to pay for protection like he has done with everyone else..after all Usrael is making some good money with exports of weapons based on US tech..

Wouldn't that be something? Suddenly someone is actually standing up to them and forcing them to pay instead of getting freebies all the time? That would cause an earthquake in Tel Aviv, just from the yelling.
 
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Funny thing is that this will be a blessing in disguise for the Saudis as the J-31 would be far superior to the F-35.
 
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Funny thing is that this will be a blessing in disguise for the Saudis as the J-31 would be far superior to the F-35.

That is a funny thing. :-) Seriously, though, as impressive as Chinese aviation has been, it's very hard to believe that either the J-20 or J-31 would be even equal to the Raptor or the Lightening II, at this point anyway.
 
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That is a funny thing. :-) Seriously, though, as impressive as Chinese aviation has been, it's very hard to believe that either the J-20 or J-31 would be even equal to the Raptor or the Lightening II, at this point anyway.

Not superior to Raptor but much better than F-35.

Google history of F-35 and why it is available for export and F-22 is not and
learn.
 
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And with Mr businessman Trump running the show..it is more than likely to happen.. and who knows he might start asking Usrael to pay for protection like he has done with everyone else..after all Usrael is making some good money with exports of weapons based on US tech..
what weapons is base on usa tech any prove for this
alot of usa weapons is base on israel tech
do you think usa stupid to give us tech that we will compete them in global market?
usa buy from us alot of weapons every year bilion dollar of defence export go to north america every year
usa dont give us protection he can cancel the aid packege and then we will start export to china and to enemy of usa we dont need protection if alot of countries will atack us we have nuclear bomb its the secret

Wouldn't that be something? Suddenly someone is actually standing up to them and forcing them to pay instead of getting freebies all the time? That would cause an earthquake in Tel Aviv, just from the yelling.
so maybe usa need to stop give you free gifts isnt it?
or you still give some bilions from the guld or another revulution?
 
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so maybe usa need to stop give you free gifts isnt it?

This isn't about Egypt, it's about Israel. Do you see Egypt jumping up and down, screaming bloody murder and crying to the US not to sell certain military equipment to you? I didn't think so. Only you people do that and take hissy fits at the same time. So please, stop the deflection tactics, they're so old and silly they really don't work, never did, actually. Please stop pretending Saudi Arabia will attack you with F-35's if it ever bought them, or it will share it's secrets with any of your enemies. Won't happen. They PAY a lot more than any one for everything they buy so they deserve the best and Israel's panic attacks shouldn't matter in the least, especially when you get your stuff for free.

or you still give some bilions from the guld or another revulution?

That's no concern of yours whatsoever. What does that matter to you? Does that get in the way of you buying weapons? No, so it's another silly defection tactic I told you, please, we don't fall or those amateur debating tactics.

We have the best, Muslim partners in the GCC countries we take care of each other.
 
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f 35 isnt that good he have alot of problems better to go on f 15 se
 
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