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Role of Pakistan and Its Intelligence Agency ISI in Bosnian war

They came at the end but it was Pakistani ATGM's that stopped Serbian offensives up and down the country, the most famous being the Serbian tank drive into Sarajevo. The SSG and other military attaches with the UN deployment also helped the Bosnian army to organise and passed on real time intelligence to them throughout the war.
Bosnians remember this help to this day. There's several posters from there on here who say the same.
I agree. They got 'drip drip' support from Turkey, Pakistan, Saudia Arabia including Afghan jihad volunteers. But all that was just life support. By itself it would have and did not stop the massacre of Muslims. The arrival of US Army was the turning point. Serbs knew they were fcuked. It was ultimately US military power that chastened the Serbs and in time even gave Kosovar Muslims independence.

For me this event proves something more important. People say America is against Muslims. That is utter hogwash. If you look at Swedish Amish community they could easily pass off as hardcore Muslims when they are not. However they are treated like a special group and accorded protection while be looked after with kids gloves. Similiary USA put it's soldiers in harm way to protect Muslims in Bosnia. Ditto Muslims in Kosva both of whom shower roses on American soldiers.

But all these groups are white, blond and blue eyed which is a quality that overcomes any US bias against 'Muslims'. As I find in UK the anti Muslim sentiment is largely racism dressed as religion. Muslim is just a metaphor for brown.
 
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We really suck at FA PR.
Actually we don't. It's only we use the wrong narrative and invest our positive atributes under some other name and as such 'Pakistan' remains hidden or anonymous. What I mean is anything plus we will sell as -

  • Muslim
  • Indian
  • Asian
  • Desi
  • [place some other here synonym]

Example. I sat down with Muslims soldiers helping Bosnians civilians in Sarajevo. They served me delicious desi food and I particularly loved meat karai served with Indian desserts. Then we listended to Asian music. The Muslim soldiers gave me Himalyan Salt as taste of India which I loved. One of the Muslim soldiers gave me brightly decorated Indian dress as a gift.

On the other hand anything slightly foul or negative will be branded as 'Pakistani'.

Example: Pakistan men have often been caught grooming girls and this sort of behaviou is probably rooted in Pakistani culture. Most terrorists and groomers originate from Pakistan [they could be Bangla, Indian etc but now all are being brancded into one] as do most illegal refugees into Europe.


This sort of thing goes on across the media but worse is Pakistani's are part of the problem. They themselves cut their own feet. As I say if you can't sing "Pakistan" and instead hide behind other tags like "desi, Muslim, Asia etc" this problem will never be resolved in 1,000 years.
 
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They came at the end but it was Pakistani ATGM's that stopped Serbian offensives up and down the country, the most famous being the Serbian tank drive into Sarajevo. The SSG and other military attaches with the UN deployment also helped the Bosnian army to organise and passed on real time intelligence to them throughout the war.
Bosnians remember this help to this day. There's several posters from there on here who say the same.

No they do not remember anything. Myabe the old ones but the new ones are done. We should make things better with serbians.

And they still love us in that part of the world.

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NO they do not. imet some Bosnians in canada n they r arrogant as fk
 
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Actually we don't. It's only we use the wrong narrative and invest our positive atributes under some other name and as such 'Pakistan' remains hidden or anonymous. What I mean is anything plus we will sell as -

  • Muslim
  • Indian
  • Asian
  • Desi
  • [place some other here synonym]

Example. I sat down with Muslims soldiers helping Bosnians civilians in Sarajevo. They served me delicious desi food and I particularly loved meat karai served with Indian desserts. Then we listended to Asian music. The Muslim soldiers gave me Himalyan Salt as taste of India which I loved. One of the Muslim soldiers gave me brightly decorated Indian dress as a gift.

On the other hand anything slightly foul or negative will be branded as 'Pakistani'.

Example: Pakistan men have often been caught grooming girls and this sort of behaviou is probably rooted in Pakistani culture. Most terrorists and groomers originate from Pakistan [they could be Bangla, Indian etc but now all are being brancded into one] as do most illegal refugees into Europe.


This sort of thing goes on across the media but worse is Pakistani's are part of the problem. They themselves cut their own feet. As I say if you can't sing "Pakistan" and instead hide behind other tags like "desi, Muslim, Asia etc" this problem will never be resolved in 1,000 years.

You forgot the ‘Bollywood’ label too. Our own disinterested & lazy citizens will talk of listening or watching ‘Bollywood’ music when they are even talking of Pakistani artists
 
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I agree. They got 'drip drip' support from Turkey, Pakistan, Saudia Arabia including Afghan jihad volunteers. But all that was just life support. By itself it would have and did not stop the massacre of Muslims. The arrival of US Army was the turning point. Serbs knew they were fcuked. It was ultimately US military power that chastened the Serbs and in time even gave Kosovar Muslims independence.

For me this event proves something more important. People say America is against Muslims. That is utter hogwash. If you look at Swedish Amish community they could easily pass off as hardcore Muslims when they are not. However they are treated like a special group and accorded protection while be looked after with kids gloves. Similiary USA put it's soldiers in harm way to protect Muslims in Bosnia. Ditto Muslims in Kosva both of whom shower roses on American soldiers.

But all these groups are white, blond and blue eyed which is a quality that overcomes any US bias against 'Muslims'. As I find in UK the anti Muslim sentiment is largely racism dressed as religion. Muslim is just a metaphor for brown.



Years ago I saw a podcast featuring the famed White Nationalist Richard Spencer..Extremely erudite regarding history and the development of science, philosophy and mathematics in Europe. He said something that utterly shocked, offended, scandalised but eventually convinced me..The argument went something like this:

Remember the famous National Geographic photo of the green eyed Afghan refugee girl in Pakistan?

He said that though the Afghan girl and her ancestors grew up in a part of the world far removed from Western Civilization, an argument can be made that the Afghan girl with a few years of effort could be made part of White Western Civilisation in a way that a black woman born and brought up in the USA cannot...

needless to say the first reaction to such incendiary statement was resistance, but as I thought about it more over the next 24 hours, it all made sense

Many white nationalists want to extend "honorary white" or "separated white" or "displaced white" status till the western rims of Pakistan .....Mind you this sympathy does not extend to the plains of India where their ancient cousins have disappeared in a sea of "Pajeets"


A significant part of the establishment and ruling parties in USA,UK,Germany,Australia are closet white nationalists. Not that I detest that, they have every right to be whatever the want in their country ...and they are here to stay and call the shots, not going anywhere...Hiding their prejudices under the cloak of legalism

But I feel Pakistan would have a significant advantage diplomatically vis-a-vis its rivals as long as it keeps projecting faces like Imran Khan and Benazir Bhutto, and is under the danger of losing significant goodwill if faces like that of Fawad chaudhury are projected internationally...This is not unlike when Japan had a much bigger say in International politics when "slightly aryan" or sharp looking Junchiro Koizumi was the PM of Japan


This goodwill is bound to increase also as long as the Kalash tribes continues to thrive and increase as well..Modern White Nationalists are more interested in Kalash religion than Brahmanism/Vedicism in order to recreate old pre-christian Northern European paganisms..even Harvard launched studies under Witzel to understand Kalash spirituality

Some aspects of inter-cultural opinions cannot be captured through international trade, diplomacy,journalism and can only be uncovered through intimate inter-gender relationships


She may be outside of the West but still has the potential to be of the West--->Richard Spencer

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She may be in the West, but can never be truly of the West--->Richard Spencer

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@Juggernaut_is_here stop flirting.. come out and play!



updated my post...I am going to gain a lot of negative ratings and opinions from both Indians and Pakistanis for this post, but it is one of my well thought out posts

Both you and me tend to get caught up in petty Indo-Pak sectarianism when we both very well know that History would be shaped by forces far bigger than these two current players:p:
 
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Stop flirting!

You said you shall furnish a piece on Momentum of History...

You were going to work on HumanBlueprint ...doing your best to Crack the Code...

All those markers I sincerely placed in our discourse and what do you do....???

Stop flirting...and come out and play!

On human level... I still do believe in you... though I undertand your autocomplusions... try to understand Number!


I will have to take sabbatical from pdf starting new year's eve if I ever do 10 to 50 articles regarding Human Blue print as I see it...of course I would see mostly from the biological and evolution of history perspective...and may be slightly from the spiritual perspective...being caught up in the sectarianism of day to day pdf saps my strength ...I will again launch a series of articles from dec,2020 onwards that would engender long discussions...but I doubt I will ever be able to make a thread like my original one which contended that India and Pakistan have been operate political entities for a time longer than Islam...that rubbed a lot of Indians the wring way but eventually forced them to learn history, which was my original intent all along...history , anthropology matters


But as always sincere thanks to you, that you dropped those markers as they have been noted by me..as predicted previously, some of the threads in which you dropped your markers eventually got deleted
 
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