Rohrabacher Introduces Bill Granting Citizenship to Pakistani "Traitor"

[usernaame]

He did what he could do as a pawn used by CIA. Nothing else. By working for a foreign intelligence agency without the permission of his state he worked against the state of Pakistan. And this technically makes him guilty of treason just like Jonathan Pollard.

Prove it.

First define each of the ACTs involved and charges pressed. Later prove them beyond doubt. Or just use your common sense if can't understand the issue better.

 

[Bratva]

The Lawrence Franklin espionage scandal (also known as the AIPAC espionage scandal) refers to Lawrence Franklin's scandal of passing classified documents regarding United States policy towards Iran to Israel through American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). Franklin, a former United States Department of Defense employee, pled guilty to several espionage-related charges and was sentenced in January 2006 to nearly 13 years of prison which was later reduced to ten months house arrest. Two former AIPAC employees were also indicted, but the case was dismissed.

While prosecutors said several 2009 court rulings would have made it almost impossible to obtain a guilty verdict and forced disclosure of large amounts of classified information, defense lawyers and some legal experts said the government was wrong in the first place for trying to criminalize the kind of information horse-trading that long has occurred in Washington. Critics of the case charged that the government was trying to criminalize the routine give and take in Washington. Steve J. Rosen, AIPAC's then-policy director, said he met with senior government officials all the time.

I questioned Vcheng and other voices who were sympathetic towards Dr.Afridi with the above quote and didn't get any satisfactory reply then and i will as again, How come a colonel pass Info to closest ally of america, Israel about Iran and this classified info would not have harmed america as it has not fallen into wrong hands but the accused still get the prison term of 13 years initially and apply the same case to Dr.Afridi then make your arguments

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Prove it.

First define each of the ACTs involved and charges pressed. Later prove them beyond doubt. Or just use your common sense if can't understand the issue better.

I provided somewhat proof and now go use google to find more cases like this instead of arguing on this thread

 

[VCheng]

................ How come a colonel pass Info to closest ally of america, Israel about Iran and this classified info would not have harmed america as it has not fallen into wrong hands ................

Passing classified information is very different than help in finding out where a mass murderer hides. Dr. Afridi never sought any Pakistani state secrets, or did he? Be very careful when answering that question, for the implications are serious indeed.

 

[Bratva]

Passing classified information is very different than help in finding out where a mass murderer hides. Dr. Afridi never sought any Pakistani state secrets, or did he? Be very careful when answering that question, for the implications are serious indeed.

When khalid shiek mohmmad arrested from karachi, Ameerica did not accuse pakistan of sheltring him, when Al libi caught from faislabad, america didnt accuse pakistan, when aimal kasi, who was arrested in nawaz sharif tenure from rahim yar khan, pakistan was not accused.

Heck for all these people, Pak-american joint operations were carried out and second thing which everyone forgets, the courier of OBL who led americans to abbotabad was traced by Pakistani ISI first and his number was handed over to CIA for extensive surveillance but what happened afterwards, a classic case of back stabbing? If pakistan wanted to hide OBL, his courier' number would not have been shared with CIA in first place, then you american come on high horses and start accusing us we hid OBL near Military garrison city forgetting who led you there in first place.

 

[VCheng]

When khalid shiek mohmmad arrested from karachi, Ameerica did not accuse pakistan of sheltring him, when Al libi caught from faislabad, america didnt accuse pakistan, when aimal kasi, who was arrested in nawaz sharif tenure from rahim yar khan, pakistan was not accused.

Heck for all these people, Pak-american joint operations were carried out and second thing which everyone forgets, the courier of OBL who led americans to abbotabad was traced by Pakistani ISI first and his number was handed over to CIA for extensive surveillance but what happened afterwards, a classic case of back stabbing? If pakistan wanted to hide OBL, his courier' number would not have been shared with CIA in first place, then you american come on high horses and start accusing us we hid OBL near Military garrison city forgetting who led you there in first place.

What has that rant to do with Dr. Afridi?

The decision to exclude Pakistan's security forces was taken after it was determined that confidentiality could no longer be assured. The trust was lost to Pakistan's detriment, and thus independent sources for information, such as Dr. Afridi had to be created.

 

[Bratva]

What has that rant to do with Dr. Afridi?

The decision to exclude Pakistan's security forces was taken after it was determined that confidentiality could no longer be assured. The trust was lost to Pakistan's detriment, and thus independent sources for information, such as Dr. Afridi had to be created.

Shah se zayada shah key wafadar eh Mr.Cheng? The rant i posted is the sentiments of common pakistani echoed across all over the country, why not give satisfactory answers to these rants so Pakistani people might know, when Pakistani Army has done so much with the cooperation of American, then why american egoistic leadership try to insult them afterwards? Afterall, If america would not have disclosed the identity of OBL, they could simply told Pakistani counterparts that some one very senior Al-Qaeds leader holding up in the house and we like to take out with your help, No leaks would have been caused then eh?

Just to remind you since you have weak memory, Al-Qaeda leader arrested in Quetta for sohrab area was caught with the help of CIA in August-September 2011. Why CIA then relied on ISI?

Either you stop acting arrogant and giving illogical explanations, why not give more plausible ones that make "bloody Pakistanis" moth shut in this thread?

 

[VCheng]

[............. when Pakistani Army has done so much with the cooperation of American, then why american egoistic leadership try to insult them afterwards? ............

I already answered that question: Pakistan lost trust by "walking both sides of the street" and paid the price, which is only going up with the passage of time.

I have to be more careful than just about anyone else to remain on topic and play strictly by the rules that are applied selectively of course.

I still don't understand how you can relate that rant to Dr. Afridi, so please help me with that.

 

[Areesh]

Prove it.

First define each of the ACTs involved and charges pressed. Later prove them beyond doubt. Or just use your common sense if can't understand the issue better.

Lol isn't the action and treatment this sob is getting enough to proof what state of Pakistan considers him. By working with CIA without the permission of state of Pakistan he is considered as a traitor by the state of Pakistan just like Jonathan pollard was considered traitor by USA. When state itself considers him to be a traitor I don't think there is much for me to proof against this guy.This is where you have to forget for a moment you are a Bharati and use you the common sense. Simple.

A state cannot allow it's citizens to work for any xyz intelligence agency and that is exactly what state of Pakistan should do by taking action against this traitor.

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Shah se zayada shah key wafadar eh Mr.Cheng?

No he is an American citizen and he is defending his country which all makes sense. He is one among many those Americans who believe that USA attacked Iraq to bring democracy to it.

 

[VCheng]

Lol isn't the action and treatment this sob is getting enough to proof what state of Pakistan considers him. By working with CIA without the permission of state of Pakistan he is considered as a traitor by the state of Pakistan just like Jonathan pollard was considered traitor by USA. When state itself considers him to be a traitor I don't think there is much for me to proof against this guy.This is where you have to forget for a moment you are a Bharati and use you the common sense. Simple.

A state cannot allow it's citizens to work for any xyz intelligence agency and that is exactly what state of Pakistan should do by taking action against this traitor.

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I will repeat this question: Dr. Afridi never sought any Pakistani state secrets, or did he?

Passing classified information is very different than help in finding out where a mass murderer hides. Dr. Afridi never sought any Pakistani state secrets, or did he? Be very careful when answering that question, for the implications are serious indeed.

 

[Areesh]

I will repeat this question: Dr. Afridi never sought any Pakistani state secrets, or did he?

So does that allow Mr Afridi or anyone else to work for any intelligence agency? No!!!.

 

[VCheng]

So does that allow Mr Afridi or anyone else to work for any intelligence agency? No!!!.

Have you considered that Dr. Afridi may not have even known what he was doing? If he was collecting blood samples for a "research project" funded through an NGO, how could he have known that DNA testing was being done on those samples for a particular purpose? Can it be proven in a court of law that he knowingly worked for the CIA? If so, then why the delay in charging him?

 

[scholseys]

This afridi will be granted a US citizenship and a fat a check of 40 million dollars as a reward money for having info that led to the capture of bin laden. I'd do the same.

 

[Skywalker]

This afridi will be granted a US citizenship and a fat a check of 40 million dollars as a reward money for having info that led to the capture of bin laden. I'd do the same.

Trust me, he would never be able to swallow that money let alone enjoying it.

 

[foxbat]

When khalid shiek mohmmad arrested from karachi, Ameerica did not accuse pakistan of sheltring him, when Al libi caught from faislabad, america didnt accuse pakistan, when aimal kasi, who was arrested in nawaz sharif tenure from rahim yar khan, pakistan was not accused.

Heck for all these people, Pak-american joint operations were carried out and second thing which everyone forgets, the courier of OBL who led americans to abbotabad was traced by Pakistani ISI first and his number was handed over to CIA for extensive surveillance but what happened afterwards, a classic case of back stabbing? If pakistan wanted to hide OBL, his courier' number would not have been shared with CIA in first place, then you american come on high horses and start accusing us we hid OBL near Military garrison city forgetting who led you there in first place.

Looks like ISI didnt understand the gravity of that intel before passing it on to CIA. Neither did they know, nor imagine that the trace being shared with USA would lead to tracking of OBL near Islamabad..

 

[regular]

I already answered that question: Pakistan lost trust by "walking both sides of the street" and paid the price, which is only going up with the passage of time.I have to be more careful than just about anyone else to remain on topic and play strictly by the rules that are applied selectively of course.

I still don't understand how you can relate that rant to Dr. Afridi, so please help me with that.

I guess Pakistan don't have money to pay the price and hence is never gonna pay any price either. People here are used to get free money here and are lazy.Its absurd for US to even dream of getting anything from our country in return....