Rohrabacher Introduces Bill Granting Citizenship to Pakistani "Traitor"

[foxbat]

Since he has bigger threats to face right now.
His threat level has changed and increased monumentally.

Which is sad, because the signal this sends is that if you are against terrorists and terrorism, then you are not safe in Pakistan. Think about it..

Difference is he would be awarded a US citizenship. He is not a US citizen right now or at the time when he was working as a pawn for CIA. What it will reflect doesn't matter. What matters is that the state of Pakistan can't sanction it's citizens to become agents of other countries or their intelligence agencies.

So Pakistan can allow the world's biggest terrorist to live in its territory, but not allow one of its citizen to participate in an activity that leads to the death of that terrorist.. just because that activity was led by an ally country and not Pakistan itself.. Nice

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Technically he may be a traitor but morally he isn't . Let us see how it goes .

 

[usernaame]

How is the man a traitor?

Pakistan, as a country (Not just the military establishment) is (was, reconsidering it now) partner and a major non-NATO Allay to the US in the "War On Terror".

Who is this allied force fighting? Al Qaeda (Major adversary)

And (sheikh)Osama Bin Laden was the symbolic head of this major opponent.

Hence, the Pakistani doctor did what he should do as a citizen of the country, which is fighting the war. (At least, officially claims that it does and he cannot have information of millitary establishment's real intentions if they were any different from official declared policies).

If Pakistan puts him on a trail, then it is openly endorsing one of following statements about it's allegiance to US led NATO in the 'War on Terror" (In the past at least, if not present. It's seems that Pakistan is reconsidering it's Policy on War on Terror after NATO attack or could simply be in the process of officially declaring it's real policy it followed all along)

1.Pakistan was working for Al Qaeda for the reasons that could be strategic, financial, ideological and National strategic interests(read Arabia) that it cannot disclose or intents to keep as secret officially. And was doing that COVERTLY under the guise of Partner in War on Terror.

2. Pakistan's Policy was Neutrality in "War on Terror" but for reasons (strategic and financial) , Pakistan Passively supported or was acting as if it supported the War on Terror.

PS Here Pakistan = military eastablishment of Pakistan.

There could other inferences as well.

 

[EastWest]

Nishan-e-Pakistan for Dr.Afridi

 

[usernaame]

Technically he may be a traitor but morally he isn't . Let us see how it goes .

The Pakistani doctor did what he did as a citizen of the country, which is fighting the war. (At least, officially Pakistan claims that it does and he cannot(couldn't have had) have information of military establishment's real intentions if they were any different from official declared policies).

hence, technically he isn't a traitor even if he did work for CIA., which is covert action and legal jurisdiction has funny ways around it.

 

[darkinsky]

Nishan-e-Pakistan for Dr.Afridi

and for sonia gandhi too

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

Spying for foreign agency irrespective of cause will still be called traitor.

I think he was spying for Pakistan and its better future. A Pakistan without OBL is definitely a better Pakistan.

It may so happen that the process demanded him going against the government of Pakistan, though.

I mean C'mon! The guy helped entire mankind by helping eliminate OBL for God's sake.

It's good to be nationalistic but being nationalistic just for the sake of it is not right.

 

[regular]

Dr. Afridi is no traitor; he helped get rid of a mass murderer, and will be regarded, and helped, as such.

Hey! We got more like Dr. Afridi in the waiting list so get ready for them too.....

 

[regular]

I think he was spying for Pakistan and its better future. A Pakistan without OBL is definitely a better Pakistan.

It may so happen that the process demanded him going against the government of Pakistan, though.

I mean C'mon! The guy helped entire mankind by helping eliminate OBL for God's sake.

Infact there was no OBL in Abbottabad. This Dr. Afridi character has been created to confuse the general public that there was OBL living in there and got killed for real....Its just the part of the movie to create suspense and reality. So let USA keep trying to fool the world and their own American public . The vaccination existed in the newspapers only . Infact there was no real vaccination carried out in the Abbottabad area. just a few houses I guess to create reality. Dr. Afridi or his associates never even entered the house for vaccination its just a part of the script to give Psychological deception.The claim by Dr. Afridi is just a lie dictated by the CIA to him.The only game is to bring Pakistan into the trap.I guess the story is very interesting fullof suspense...

 

[Areesh]

Which is sad, because the signal this sends is that if you are against terrorists and terrorism, then you are not safe in Pakistan. Think about it..

We need to make sure Pakistan is a dangerous place to live for foreign agents and for people working for foreign intelligence agencies without the permissions of state of Pakistan. Nothing wrong in it. Every country including India will do the same. And Dr Afridi was just a pawn used by CIA. Don't present him as a hero who fought against terrorism. And this pawn should be made an example for other pawns.

So Pakistan can allow the world's biggest terrorist to live in its territory,

State of Pakistan never allowed OBL to live in it's territory. In fact it was the intelligence tip off by Pakistan which led to Abbottabad raid. It is a baseless allegation to say "Pakistan allowed" OBL to live in it's country. Pakistan never allowed him.

 

[usernaame]

Infact there was no OBL in Abbottabad. This Dr. Afridi character has been created to confuse the general public that there was OBL living in there and got killed for real....Its just the part of the movie to create suspense and reality. So let USA keep trying to fool the world and their own American public . The vaccination existed in the newspapers only . Infact there was no real vaccination carried out in the Abbottabad area. just a few houses I guess to create reality. Dr. Afridi or his associates never even entered the house for vaccination its just a part of the script to give Psychological deception......

NO conspiracy theories please. Let's talk real things .

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We need to make sure Pakistan is a dangerous place to live for foreign agents and for people working for foreign intelligence agencies without the permissions of state of Pakistan. Nothing wrong in it. Every country including India will do the same. And Dr Afridi was just a pawn used by CIA. Don't present him as a hero who fought against terrorism. And this pawn should be made an example for other pawns.



State of Pakistan never allowed OBL to live in it's territory. In fact it was the intelligence tip off by Pakistan which led to Abbottabad raid. It is a baseless allegation to say "Pakistan allowed" OBL to live in it's country. Pakistan never allowed him.

Read #34 and Later 33#

 

[Areesh]

How is the man a traitor?

Since he was involved in working for a foreign intelligence agency without the permission of state of Pakistan.

Pakistan, as a country (Not just the military establishment) is (was, reconsidering it now) partner and a major non-NATO Allay to the US in the "War On Terror".

Yes Pakistan is the partner.

And (sheikh)Osama Bin Laden was the symbolic head of this major opponent.

Yes he was the head of the terror organization.

Hence, the Pakistani doctor did what he should do as a citizen of the country, which is fighting the war.

Again without the permission of his country. Which makes him a traitor and an agent of another country.

If Pakistan puts him on a trail, then it is openly endorsing one of following statements about it's allegiance to US led NATO in the 'War on Terror"

Well one can conclude anything it wants. But the fact remains Pakistan would trial him for treason and Pakistan has every right to do so. Just like what America did to it's citizens involved in spying for it's ally Israel.
For example.

Jonathan Pollard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1.Pakistan was working for Al Qaeda for the reasons that could be strategic, financial, ideological and National strategic interests(read Arabia) that it cannot disclose or intents to keep as secret officially. And was doing that COVERTLY under the guise of Partner in War on Terror.

Pakistan actively worked against AQ and arrested or nabbed several of it's leaders inside Pakistan. I think this fact explains Pakistan's role against AQ.

2. Pakistan's Policy was Neutrality in "War on Terror" but for reasons (strategic and financial) , Pakistan Passively supported or was acting as if it supported the War on Terror.

When Pakistan has arrested several leaders of AQ, there is no such thing as neutrality left. Pakistan fought alongside US of A and NATO against AQ and that is obvious.

 

[Sugarcane]

Technically he may be a traitor but morally he isn't . Let us see how it goes .

We have to go technically and as per law and there must not be any exception otherwise murderer of Salman Taseer is also morally right in eyes of some people.

 

[usernaame]

Again without the permission of his country. Which makes him a traitor and an agent of another country.

The Pakistani doctor did what he did as a citizen of the country, which is fighting the war. (At least, officially Pakistan claims that it does and he cannot(couldn't have had) have information of military establishment's real intentions if they were any different from official declared policies).

hence, technically he isn't a traitor even if he did work for CIA., which is covert action and legal jurisdiction has funny ways around it.

Let's take the case.
Who's plaintiff ? Pakistani Establishment.
Who's Defendant? the doctor.
Charges pressed? Spying for foreign intelligence agencies.
Victim? Nobody
Loss? Nothing
justice? Defendant cannot(couldn't have had) have information of military establishment's real intentions if they were any different from official declared policies.
He could have been manipulated by the outsiders, hence he was doing whatever he did without prior knowledge of the fact that his actions constitute spying. this has to be proved beyond doubt.
If that is proved beyond doubt.
He in his own personal capacity did what he thought was right/good which resulted in NO harm for his countrymen or loss (except, you might argue about image of Pakistan) and importantly, if OBL had support of any of his country men both state and non state actors, which is illegal by International law by Pakistan's own commitments on various platforms and occasions, would constitute a civil Case at most Not criminal one. At more importantly, the plaintiff has NO reason to press charges as, the defendant was only working for it's cause NOT against it or national interests. hence No case for acting against Nation. hence NOT traitor.

Tha maximum you could argue is that a Civilian NOT obeying a law(without consequences that are punishable) without knowledge of the law and what his actions would constitute legally.


PS remember , the consequences of his actions (raid and eventual killing of a man) cannot be associated the charges pressed against the man.

 

[Areesh]

The Pakistani doctor did what he did as a citizen of the country,

He did what he could do as a pawn used by CIA. Nothing else. By working for a foreign intelligence agency without the permission of his state he worked against the state of Pakistan. And this technically makes him guilty of treason just like Jonathan Pollard.