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Robust air defence through integration of JF-17 Block 3 and SAMs

CriticalThought

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Contemporary air defence philosophy revolves around creating a perimeter of ground based air defence radars, SAM sites, and AEWACS for continuous monitoring of airspace boundaries. In this article we discuss the problems in the contemporary approach, and propose a new method utilizing the capabilities of JF-17 Block 3.

The elements comprising contemporary air defence networks have known limitations. Ground based radars are highly susceptable to echos and obstruction from terrain, reflection from ionosphere, and NoE tactics employed by the enemy. They are usually quite bulky and immobile, and along with accompanying SAM sites are further susceptable to saturation attacks. Additionally, a fixed, ground based radar will invariably give away its position due to the elecotromagnetic radiation it emits.

in order to solve some of the problems with ground based radars, modern air forces utilize AEWACS. AEWACS aircraft are not hindered by the clutter and noise problems faced by ground based radars. They are also powerful enough that jamming them becomes a difficult problem. Yet, for third world airforces such as PAF, that do not have control over the electronics they buy from foreign vendors, the possibility of attacks such as spoofing, backdoor/kill switch activation etc remains high due to possible vendor compromise. In any case, nothing stops the enemy from buying the same systems and studying them in detail. Finally, VLRAAMs pose a credible threat to AEWACs on the modern battlefield. Any modern airforce must operate on the principle that AEWACs shall be the first and most high value targets for enemy aircraft.

The introduction of LKF601E on JF-17 Block 3 opens an interesting new aveneue of air defence for PAF. A network of these AESA based radars in the air can act like a distributed aperture radar. By its very construction, such a system shall be more robust against classical EM attacks. Furthermore, an indigenously produced AESA radar means PAF need not worry about vendor compromise. With a reported range of 170 Kms, the Block 3 can safely fly deep within Pakistani airspace, yet pose a formidable challenge to the enemy. It replaces bulky, slow moving AEWACs with a fast, nimble, and agile platform that is capable of taking evasive action if threatened by enemy VLRAAMs.

An interesting aspect of distributed aperture is the performance of systems such as Spectra used by Rafale. Distributed, LPI radar emitters pose a unique problem that was not even present when Spectra was conceived. Active cancellation heavily relies on matching the reflected frequency, amplitude, and polarization very closely. The Block 3 shall give Spectra a 360 degree challenge that could easily overload its very computational capability. Success through saturation.

But the real punch comes from integration the Block 3 with mobile, ground based SAMs that are disperesed across the geographical boundaries of Pakistan. Such mobile sites could also accompany ground based TELs for Pakistan's SPD forces. For the enemy, the most frustrating aspect of this arrangement is a lack of ground based emitters that would otherwise giveaway their position. The presence of silent killers on the ground creates a new headache for enemy pilots who must now develop tactics to not just prevail in BVR combat, but at the same time safeguard their bellies as well. By completely separating the detection and attack components, enemy tactics shall be left in utter disarray.

The introduction of Block 3 introduces many new and interesting possibilities for PAF. It is imperative for PAC to invest in a local fabtech backbone that brings knowledge of semiconductor manufacturing. Such knowledge is crucial in understanding, mitigating, and countering threats on the modern battlefield.
 
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There no confirmation that block-3 has LKF601E on board and @messiach Ma'am clearly hinted that we are developing indigenous AESA for Block-3
What radar it is going to be will get eventually revealed & resolved. No point in engaging in a guessing game or my source is is more credible than yours exchange.

Regardless of which radar it is going to be, the tactical ploy presented by @CriticalThought ... is thought provoking and worthy of consideration. A good post indeed.
 
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What radar it is going to be will get eventually revealed & resolved. No point in engaging in a guessing game or my source is is more credible than yours exchange.

Regardless of which radar it is going to be, the tactical ploy presented by @CriticalThought ... is thought provoking and worthy of consideration. A good post indeed.
no i am arguing but its not confirmed which AESA wll going to fit on Block-3, and yes this post is thought full but i already knows most of it
 
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BY 2025
real issue will be numbers..
188 thunders and 76 f16 wouldnt be in position to counter 36 rafael, 270 mki, 70 mig 29, 50 mirages and possibly 50-60 tejas, and possibly 36+MWF/MRCA.

PAF would need atleast 220-250 thunders along with 100 f16s to keep it 2:1
 
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BY 2025
real issue will be numbers..
188 thunders and 76 f16 wouldnt be in position to counter 36 rafael, 270 mki, 70 mig 29, 50 mirages and possibly 50-60 tejas, and possibly 36+MWF/MRCA.

PAF would need atleast 220-250 thunders along with 100 f16s to keep it 2:1
Yes quantity is important and it seems they are working on it as much as possible with the recent induction of 8 IIBs within a few months…
 
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SAMS/ TEL can be inter-connected through an on-ground fiber optic network,
AEWACS, AEWACS can cue these individuals SAMS once they get fired towards the target
Contemporary air defence philosophy revolves around creating a perimeter of ground based air defence radars, SAM sites, and AEWACS for continuous monitoring of airspace boundaries. In this article we discuss the problems in the contemporary approach, and propose a new method utilizing the capabilities of JF-17 Block 3.

The elements comprising contemporary air defence networks have known limitations. Ground based radars are highly susceptable to echos and obstruction from terrain, reflection from ionosphere, and NoE tactics employed by the enemy. They are usually quite bulky and immobile, and along with accompanying SAM sites are further susceptable to saturation attacks. Additionally, a fixed, ground based radar will invariably give away its position due to the elecotromagnetic radiation it emits.

in order to solve some of the problems with ground based radars, modern air forces utilize AEWACS. AEWACS aircraft are not hindered by the clutter and noise problems faced by ground based radars. They are also powerful enough that jamming them becomes a difficult problem. Yet, for third world airforces such as PAF, that do not have control over the electronics they buy from foreign vendors, the possibility of attacks such as spoofing, backdoor/kill switch activation etc remains high due to possible vendor compromise. In any case, nothing stops the enemy from buying the same systems and studying them in detail. Finally, VLRAAMs pose a credible threat to AEWACs on the modern battlefield. Any modern airforce must operate on the principle that AEWACs shall be the first and most high value targets for enemy aircraft.

The introduction of LKF601E on JF-17 Block 3 opens an interesting new aveneue of air defence for PAF. A network of these AESA based radars in the air can act like a distributed aperture radar. By its very construction, such a system shall be more robust against classical EM attacks. Furthermore, an indigenously produced AESA radar means PAF need not worry about vendor compromise. With a reported range of 170 Kms, the Block 3 can safely fly deep within Pakistani airspace, yet pose a formidable challenge to the enemy. It replaces bulky, slow moving AEWACs with a fast, nimble, and agile platform that is capable of taking evasive action if threatened by enemy VLRAAMs.

An interesting aspect of distributed aperture is the performance of systems such as Spectra used by Rafale. Distributed, LPI radar emitters pose a unique problem that was not even present when Spectra was conceived. Active cancellation heavily relies on matching the reflected frequency, amplitude, and polarization very closely. The Block 3 shall give Spectra a 360 degree challenge that could easily overload its very computational capability. Success through saturation.

But the real punch comes from integration the Block 3 with mobile, ground based SAMs that are disperesed across the geographical boundaries of Pakistan. Such mobile sites could also accompany ground based TELs for Pakistan's SPD forces. For the enemy, the most frustrating aspect of this arrangement is a lack of ground based emitters that would otherwise giveaway their position. The presence of silent killers on the ground creates a new headache for enemy pilots who must now develop tactics to not just prevail in BVR combat, but at the same time safeguard their bellies as well. By completely separating the detection and attack components, enemy tactics shall be left in utter disarray.

The introduction of Block 3 introduces many new and interesting possibilities for PAF. It is imperative for PAC to invest in a local fabtech backbone that brings knowledge of semiconductor manufacturing. Such knowledge is crucial in understanding, mitigating, and countering threats on the modern battlefield.

This is true only in India/Pakistan scenarios as literally the entire A2A Combat will take place within a radius of 1000 KM
 
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Yes quantity is important and it seems they are working on it as much as possible with the recent induction of 8 IIBs within a few months…

50 Block III's by 2025 indicates that PAF are not working on it as hard as they should. It should be a one-off stepwise procurement of 100 units in 5 years, and then revert to the glacial pace of 10/year etc.
 
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50 Block III's by 2025 indicates that PAF are not working on it as hard as they should. It should be a one-off stepwise procurement of 100 units in 5 years, and then revert to the glacial pace of 10/year etc.
I was wondering lately!!!

If we get big ticker export orders, the profit we can earn will help in lowering the cost of our own Block 3s and in turn we will save further funds for procurement of something even bigger !!!
 
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50 Block III's by 2025 indicates that PAF are not working on it as hard as they should. It should be a one-off stepwise procurement of 100 units in 5 years, and then revert to the glacial pace of 10/year etc.
Remember how Blk-2 was ready once 50 Blk-1s were inducted, JFT project isnt static it will continue to evolve so by the time next 50 Blk-3s will be ready a Blk-4 will be on the horizon which is why the order is in lots of 50(approx every 3yrs). PAC Kamra will also be engaged in MLUs and upgrades for which it is developing additional capacity.
Next Blk variant will likely be a updated Blk-3 so dont expect it to be very late.
 
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Remember how Blk-2 was ready once 50 Blk-1s were inducted, JFT project isnt static it will continue to evolve so by the time next 50 Blk-3s will be ready a Blk-4 will be on the horizon which is why the order is in lots of 50(approx every 3yrs). PAC Kamra will also be engaged in MLUs and upgrades for which it is developing additional capacity.
Next Blk variant will likely be a updated Blk-3 so dont expect it to be very late.

What i am saying is that PAF need to break the cycle for 1 cycle and purchase 100 JF17s in 5 years, and not 50 given the change in Southa Asia where there will be proactive use of Airpower by India, and the appearance of the Rafale..

50 is toooo sllllooww for the rate of increase of threats and actual combat PAF will face in the next 5 years.
 
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What i am saying is that PAF need to break the cycle for 1 cycle and purchase 100 JF17s in 5 years, and not 50 given the change in Southa Asia where there will be proactive use of Airpower by India, and the appearance of the Rafale..

50 is toooo sllllooww for the rate of increase of threats and actual combat PAF will face in the next 5 years.
I wish PN also orders Block 3 for maritime role creating their own arm. That would be a good explanation as to why PAF intends to procure only 50 by 2025 !!!

24-36 for PN !!!

If PN also goes for 36 Block 3s , then we can have an annual production of 15 for PAF+PN. This is excluding the export orders we might get as we can entertain even greater production capacity !!!
 
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Remember how Blk-2 was ready once 50 Blk-1s were inducted, JFT project isnt static it will continue to evolve so by the time next 50 Blk-3s will be ready a Blk-4 will be on the horizon which is why the order is in lots of 50(approx every 3yrs). PAC Kamra will also be engaged in MLUs and upgrades for which it is developing additional capacity.
Next Blk variant will likely be a updated Blk-3 so dont expect it to be very late.

PAC have many things in its hands. Thats why we need something other then PAC kamra for every individual project. Just like PAC kamra for JF17., maybe PAC Islamabad for AZM.
 
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BY 2025
real issue will be numbers..
188 thunders and 76 f16 wouldnt be in position to counter 36 rafael, 270 mki, 70 mig 29, 50 mirages and possibly 50-60 tejas, and possibly 36+MWF/MRCA.

PAF would need atleast 220-250 thunders along with 100 f16s to keep it 2:1
PAF will maintain force at 400/ 450 aircrafts at the max. We need a few specialist ACs like M3s dedicated for ground attack . With F7ps gone or almost gone, we will lose PGs and older M3/5s.
For the moment keep Tejas and MRCA out of the equation as they will be protected and possibly out of the loop altogether. Given the numbers We will face 450 ACs with 250 modernized ACs by 2025(76 16s + 170JFT). In short we will fly the sam1:2 ratio.
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PAF will maintain force at 400/ 450 aircrafts at the max. We need a few specialist ACs like M3s dedicated for ground attack . With F7ps gone or almost gone, we will lose PGs and older M3/5s.
For the moment keep Tejas and MRCA out of the equation as they will be protected and possibly out of the loop altogether. Given the numbers We will face 450 ACs with 250 modernized ACs by 2025(76 16s + 170JFT). In short we will fly the sam1:2 ratio.
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IIRC ACM Aman in his last address stated a requirement of 350 Front-line A/Cs. I don't know if this figure is after considering the aircraft availability factor or excluding that.

Considering 188 JFTs by 2025 and current lot of F-16s we will have a total of 264 frontline A/Cs. The remaining will have to be filled by mirages and F-7 PGs till availability of additional funds for additional procurement.

Still a decent number to cover indian frontline A/Cs backed by force multipliers.

To add further to your post, perhaps we need to work with partners on ground based rocket assisted stand off munitions (similar to what Serbians have proposed) so that these can be employed quickly on per-determined coordinates to cater to indian bases within the 100 KM radius. This will give us some breather before the airforce fully starts their full campaign deeper into indian territory.

An enemy air force tackled on the ground is better than one tackled in air.
 
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