RND: Erdogan becomes a danger to NATO

[Akritas]

Terrorism is actually a legitimate reason for blocking someone from joining a security pact.Imaginary,invented problems with other countries is not.And the only reason the the name was under negotiation in UN was because Greece blocked EU recognition of North Macedonia as a country,using EU and NATO to blackmail and force a name change.Not to mention negotiating with Milosevic about splitting the country until US and Turkey forced Mitsotakis to back off.Talk about friendly and constructive neighbours.
Anyway you missed my point,which wasn't Greece's bullying North Macedonia but EU and NATO's hypocrisy in the cases of Greece and Turkey in which one was ilegally blocking other country's accession to NATO(according to International court of justice) while other one gets vilified for having terrorism concerns.

A state that imprisons political opponents as well as journalists who criticize it, accuses anyone who is against it of being a terrorist, does not accept Liberal Democracy (therefore also the independence of the Judiciary), manufactures fakes news, then there is no TRUST in what he asks, ven more so when Turkey asks to extradite journalists and politicians, who have the status of political refugees, as terrorists.

The issue of the constitutional name of North Macedonia as and the ethnicity of the local Slavs and Bulgarians, started in the 1940s, is not something new, nor was it invented in 1991 or 2004. The fact that Milosevic asked to split this Republic and Mitotakis senior refused it, you do not mention.
No USA and Turkey intervened, the reason was one: what is the reason to occupy a territory where 99% of its population is hostile to you?

 

[Foinikas]

The issue of the constitutional name of North Macedonia as and the ethnicity of the local Slavs and Bulgarians, started in the 1940s, is not something new, nor was it invented in 1991 or 2004. The fact that Milosevic asked to split this Republic and Mitotakis senior refused it, you do not mention.
No USA and Turkey intervened, the reason was one: what is the reason to occupy a territory where 99% of its population is hostile to you?

There was also a proposal by the Serbs in the '90s,to form a confederation between Yugoslavia,Serbia and FYROM,which would have kind of solved the naming dispute in a way.

 

[Akritas]

There was also a proposal by the Serbs in the '90s,to form a confederation between Yugoslavia,Serbia and FYROM,which would have kind of solved the naming dispute in a way.

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Serbs did not realize what the Americans and Germans wanted for Yugoslavia in the 1990s.

 

[MMM-E]

A state that imprisons political opponents as well as journalists who criticize it, accuses anyone who is against it of being a terrorist, does not accept Liberal Democracy (therefore also the independence of the Judiciary), manufactures fakes news, then there is no TRUST in what he asks, ven more so when Turkey asks to extradite journalists and politicians, who have the status of political refugees, as terrorists.

Sweden hosts PKK and FETO Terrorists

you are enemy to Turkish People , therefore your posts are biased and full of anti-Turkiye propaganda


all enemies to Turkish People attack ERDOGAN

and stop saying NATO ,, NATO is with Turkiye

 

[Foinikas]

Sweden hosts PKK and FETO Terrorists

you are enemy to Turkish People , therefore your posts are biased and full of anti-Turkiye propaganda


all enemies to Turkish People attack ERDOGAN

Then the entire opposition is enemies of the Turkish people? Then let's just shut down the parliament and make Erdogan a Sultan. Even better,a Caliph.

 

[MMM-E]

Then the entire opposition is enemies of the Turkish people? Then let's just shut down the parliament and make Erdogan a Sultan. Even better,a Caliph.

Opposition = CHP , IYI , SAADET , DEVA , GELECEK Parties

Terrorists = PKK , FETO
and Sweden hosts PKK , FETO Terrorists


all enemies to Turkish People ( Greece,France,Israel,USA,Germany,etc ) attack ERDOGAN

that means ERDOGAN is working for Turkish interests , but not for American,İsraeli,European interests

therefore , USA-İsrael-Europe are trying to find a puppet leader instead of ERDOGAN

 

[Trango Towers]

Notice how again its ERGODAN not Turkey

Sadam not Iraq
Ayatollah not iran
Gaddafi not Libya
IK not pakistan

Shall I go on.

Then why destroy the whole nation?


But its never bush or Blair or nethenyahu the nazi rebranded as Israeli..

See a pattern here?


Point with Turkey is it knows the wets wants ti screw it. No entry into EU when basket cases from Eastern block have been accepted. One of Natos largest member in terms of manpower and yet Greece can have Russian missiles but Turkey cannot.

NATO IS AT FAULT. TUKEY MUST FIND ITS OWN PATH AND THEY ARE DOING IT

 

[Akritas]

Sweden hosts PKK and FETO Terrorists

you are enemy to Turkish People , therefore your posts are biased and full of anti-Turkiye propaganda


all enemies to Turkish People attack ERDOGAN

and stop saying NATO ,, NATO is with Turkiye

The evidence as usual disproves you.....

List of arrested journalists in Turkey - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

therefore , USA-İsrael-Europe are trying to find a puppet leader instead of ERDOGAN

Like Imamoglou?

 

[Foinikas]

Notice how again its ERGODAN not Turkey

Sadam not Iraq
Ayatollah not iran
Gaddafi not Libya
IK not pakistan

Shall I go on.

Then why destroy the whole nation?


But its never bush or Blair or nethenyahu the nazi rebranded as Israeli..

See a pattern here?


Point with Turkey is it knows the wets wants ti screw it. No entry into EU when basket cases from Eastern block have been accepted. One of Natos largest member in terms of manpower and yet Greece can have Russian missiles but Turkey cannot.

NATO IS AT FAULT. TUKEY MUST FIND ITS OWN PATH AND THEY ARE DOING IT

Because it's Erdogan's government that is leading Turkey in perilous paths and adventures that might not turn out well for Turkey in the end. So far,both NATO and Russia had been extremely nice to Erdogan,to the point of appeasing Turkey,even after numerous diplomatic incidents and capricious behavior.

Because even if Greece and Turkey had problems and almost went to war twice since the late '80s,there was a balance and when the big powers said a word,both countries would back down and the situation would be difused.

But now,the last 10-12 years of Erdogan's rule Turkey has been transformed into something of a "rogue State",in the sense of provoking tensions in the region constantly and having aggressive narrative. That's why they nicknamed him the "Sultan". The Erdogan fans will say he made Turkey "independent",but the more moderate seculars Muslims and the Kemalists in Turkey don't like this extreme populism and erratic foreign policy.

 

[Trango Towers]

Because it's Erdogan's government that is leading Turkey in perilous paths and adventures that might not turn out well for Turkey in the end. So far,both NATO and Russia had been extremely nice to Erdogan,to the point of appeasing Turkey,even after numerous diplomatic incidents and capricious behavior.

Because even if Greece and Turkey had problems and almost went to war twice since the late '80s,there was a balance and when the big powers said a word,both countries would back down and the situation would be difused.

But now,the last 10-12 years of Erdogan's rule Turkey has been transformed into something of a "rogue State",in the sense of provoking tensions in the region constantly and having aggressive narrative. That's why they nicknamed him the "Sultan". The Erdogan fans will say he made Turkey "independent",but the more moderate seculars Muslims and the Kemalists in Turkey don't like this extreme populism and erratic foreign policy.

Sorry but I don't agree.
The west always does this.

Look at Qatar how much bad publicity the media and politicians gave because Qatar is not pro LGBTQ. Hell they are even teaching our kids this non sense and now in schools u have boys dressing up in skirts etc.
During and after the world cup the fans told the media "u lied to us". The have stats now re crimes drunkeness and all the negatives. This has been declared the best world cup in history.

Point is the west has a habit of isolating an individual and going after him. Even you ignored everything is said re how they went and destroyed countries like Iraq Libya Syria Yemen etc but said your rulers that the west backed were bad.

 

[Foinikas]

Sorry but I don't agree.
The west always does this.

Look at Qatar how much bad publicity the media and politicians gave because Qatar is not pro LGBTQ. Hell they are even teaching our kids this non sense and now in schools u have boys dressing up in skirts etc.
During and after the world cup the fans told the media "u lied to us". The have stats now re crimes drunkeness and all the negatives. This has been declared the best world cup in history.

Point is the west has a habit of isolating an individual and going after him. Even you ignored everything is said re how they went and destroyed countries like Iraq Libya Syria Yemen etc but said your rulers that the west backed were bad.

It's not just Erdogan. It's Akar,it's Cavusoglu,it's Oktay. It's the entire government.

As for Qatar,that's completely irrelevant.

 

[Trango Towers]

The evidence as usual disproves you.....

List of arrested journalists in Turkey - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Like Imamoglou?

A US based bs... Iraq has WmD. Same people

It's not just Erdogan. It's Akar,it's Cavusoglu,it's Oktay. It's the entire government.

As for Qatar,that's completely irrelevant.

And the West is wonderfully truthful. I am so glad the EU is finally realising the US gas sales are 400% more expensive than b4. The rift is coming. WmD in Iraq and your best friend the nazi aka nethanyahu all tell the truth. But the turks are bad and it's your unbiased Greek view

Of course Qatar is irrelevant.

Qatar has Turkish troops stationed there.

 

[Akritas]

....... and yet Greece can have Russian missiles but Turkey cannot.

Did Greece buy S300?
No, was Cyprus that bought the system.

Did Turkey threat Cyprus?
Yes, Turkey threatened to bomb it as it was being offloaded from the ship delivering it.

How did they get to Greece?
Greece took the missiles in 1998 from Cyprus, under USA idea, that the Cypriot S300 be based in Crete and swapped with other military weapons acceptable to Turkey

Why didn’t NATO or USA object?
Because in 1999 it was perfectly legal for a NATO member to purchase Russian systems.

Why did Turkey buy the S-400 and not some western missile?
Because the Americans and the French did not give the codes.

Did Turkey know the purchase of the S-400s would result in US sanctions?
He knew it, he had been warned that he would be kicked out of the F-35 program, but he continued.

 

[Foinikas]

A US based bs... Iraq has WmD. Same people

No,it's not the same thing. After the 2016 coup,Erdogan has been arresting or sacking tens of thousands.

Stop blaming the "West" for everything,thinking that there's nothing going on. This mentality is false. Not everything is American propaganda.

And the West is wonderfully truthful. I am so glad the EU is finally realising the US gas sales are 400% more expensive than b4. The rift is coming. WmD in Iraq and your best friend the nazi aka nethanyahu all tell the truth. But the turks are bad and it's your unbiased Greek view

Just because the Americans wanna sell their gas to Europe and Israel has been treating Palestinians badly,means Erdogan is a good guy? These are two completely different things. Irrelevant things. You can watch Erdogan and his friends' speeches online and see their narrative on your own.

Qatar has Turkish troops stationed there.

What does that even have to do with Westerners nagging about LGBTQ rights in Qatar?

 

[Akritas]

A US based bs... Iraq has WmD. Same people

Are they in prison without trial?
This is the Turkish law, they imprison you as a terrorist, and the trial takes years to happen, which never happens.